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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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The engadget article is now on the front page of Digg.com. Even if this turns out to be a rumor, the damage is done. The story is going to spread like wildfire tonight, especially with Paramount being silent during CES.
http://digg.com/tech_news/HDDVD_Get_a_shovel_and_a_Pine_box_now
http://digg.com/tech_news/HDDVD_Get_a_shovel_and_a_Pine_box_now
Ignatz Mouse
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Holy Cow if true. Seems like this rumor has some meat.
Warm Machine
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Cue end of any and all Blu Ray free movie deals and BOGOs. in 3...2...1...
VictimOfGrief
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.
I don't even have the words nor the will anymore.
I don't even have the words nor the will anymore.
Ignatz Mouse
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Warm Machine said:
A small price to pay in trade for more titles available and peace of mind that the format isn't going away soon.
Kittonwy said:
What did the BDA do when Paramount/Dreamworks moved? They had Fox the next day realease a list of movies. Now in typical Fox fashion 80% didnt ever see release
lol ) but it was something.They should have either ponied up more cash or had SOMETHING planned just in case. I GUARANTEE you if WB had jumped the other way the BDA would have put something out there to draw peoples attention.
A good manager will prepare for all circumstances, just in case. Toshiba though.....its like watching a freaking train wreck right now.
surazal said:
Then do your press even, talk your PR bullshit and at least sound confident. Dont run away like a freaking whipped dog with your tail between your legs.
GauntletFan
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Saw this on Gizmodo:
Interview: Samsung Says There's Life After Hollywood for HD-DVD
"We scored a sitdown with DongSoo Jun, Executive VP and General Manager of Samsung's Digital AV Division. Translation: He's Samsung's main man on Blu-ray and HD DVD. We asked him the big question: "Is HD DVD dead ?" His answer might surprise you.
On the Hollywood front, he believes that the Warner announcement was a tipping point. In short, Blu-ray will win. But! HD DVD doesn't have to slink into a grave next to Betamax yet. It will become the chosen format for "private" (that is, personal) content because the formatahem, Toshiba and Microsofthas a stronghold in the PC drive market. He expects Toshiba to really concentrate on the PC HD DVD market since it's deader than disco if it loses there.
The format war ends. The "divide" begins. And it'll be even bigger, in a sense.
Upswing: Samsung's going to be keep pumping out dual-format players, so that people can easily watch the personal stuff and the Hollywood stuff on the same deck. "Most people...don't care about what format is most popular," says Jun.
He also thinks:
- $299 is the magic price for Blu-ray playerswatch around June/July
- 1,000 titles is the magic content number (Blu-ray is around 500 now)
-Digital distribution will kill standard-def physical media, not HD - people delete recorded SD content; they want to keep "high quality" content through Blu-ray
Interview: Samsung Says There's Life After Hollywood for HD-DVD
"We scored a sitdown with DongSoo Jun, Executive VP and General Manager of Samsung's Digital AV Division. Translation: He's Samsung's main man on Blu-ray and HD DVD. We asked him the big question: "Is HD DVD dead ?" His answer might surprise you.
On the Hollywood front, he believes that the Warner announcement was a tipping point. In short, Blu-ray will win. But! HD DVD doesn't have to slink into a grave next to Betamax yet. It will become the chosen format for "private" (that is, personal) content because the formatahem, Toshiba and Microsofthas a stronghold in the PC drive market. He expects Toshiba to really concentrate on the PC HD DVD market since it's deader than disco if it loses there.
The format war ends. The "divide" begins. And it'll be even bigger, in a sense.
Upswing: Samsung's going to be keep pumping out dual-format players, so that people can easily watch the personal stuff and the Hollywood stuff on the same deck. "Most people...don't care about what format is most popular," says Jun.
He also thinks:
- $299 is the magic price for Blu-ray playerswatch around June/July
- 1,000 titles is the magic content number (Blu-ray is around 500 now)
-Digital distribution will kill standard-def physical media, not HD - people delete recorded SD content; they want to keep "high quality" content through Blu-ray
Warm Machine
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Its not a bad thing at all and I'm happy to see standardization even if it wasn't the way I had been going. The ground is broken and now there is serious money to be made. I hope that studios don't bone this and glut the market as they did with DVD.
MechDX said:What did the BDA do when Paramount/Dreamworks moved? They had Fox the next day realease a list of movies. Now in typical Fox fashion 80% didnt ever see release
They should have either ponied up more cash or had SOMETHING planned just in case. I GUARANTEE you if WB had jumped the other way the BDA would have put something out there to draw peoples attention.
A good manager will prepare for all circumstances, just in case. Toshiba though.....its like watching a freaking train wreck right now.
Then do your press even, talk your PR bullshit and at least sound confident. Dont run away like a freaking whipped dog with your tail between your legs.
The difference was that Paramount going HD-DVD, while it hurt the BDA wasn't as significant as Warner Bros going Blu-Ray, which is essentially check-mate. I guess they could try to appear brave and shit but I think deep down they knew it was game over and just didn't have what it took to keep it together, everybody else knew it was game over anyway.
It's entertaining though.
Good for you. Considering this stupid war over bits of plastic shouldn't have progressed this far in the first place, it's good to see you making most of your money back, if not all.HocusPocus said:
From the previous page - I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some sort of olive branch from the Blu group to HD-DVD owners, depending on how this Paramount rumour plays out. Not a straight one for one media swap, that's ripe for abuse - but trade-ins with a significant percentage towards the Blu-Ray player of your choice would not be out of the question.
Ohio State fattens up their record on patsies every year before getting whupped on national television. At least HD-DVD can say it got beat by a proper juggernaut.Crisco said:
GauntletFan said:
As much as Samsung tried to play both sides, why should I buy a dual-format player? Or anyone for that matter? I'm not sure in the long run these dual-format players would be price competitive anyway, but if I want to record my own stuff and play it back, why not just go with Blu-Ray? Toshiba will eventually be forced to include Blu-Ray drives in their laptops, it's only a matter of time.
There's nothing Toshiba can do now.
The press has unanimously proclaimed HD-DVD to be dead...it's like a chain reaction now. they can't recover...but I think they know how profound this announcement is, I just wish they would throw in the towel already and announce SOMETHING.
It's funny because all of their reps at CES ultimately have no decision making power, so they are forced to tout the PR line...it must suck for them.
The press has unanimously proclaimed HD-DVD to be dead...it's like a chain reaction now. they can't recover...but I think they know how profound this announcement is, I just wish they would throw in the towel already and announce SOMETHING.
It's funny because all of their reps at CES ultimately have no decision making power, so they are forced to tout the PR line...it must suck for them.
MechDX said:Which general said "When your back against the wall your best option is to turn around and attack the enemy. Its the last thing they would expect."
I don't think it matters whether Toshiba's back is against the wall or not, they just got shotgunned in the head by WB.
Because you're already buying a multiformat player when you buy a standalone BD or HDDVD player. If you think about how many formats each supports separately, the overlap between, what's one more format in combining the two?Kittonwy said:
Glad to see the combo-player future is still alive
GauntletFan said:
On the PC front ... storage is king. Tosh has been having problems getting dual layered (30GB) writable discs in large quantities.
Sony on the other hand, has had dual layered (50GB) writable discs available for 2 years now.
I really don't see how they can come out on top. There already is a BD writable market out there ... its just way too late. Just wait until Apple's announcement.
Onix said:
Yeah, that statement makes no sense.
I don't see how HD-DVD can come out on top in the PC world given that it's the inferior format, and storage/bitrate are kings.
Moreover, PC users are going to want to buy players that can watch movies and play the standard format (or rip/pirate it).
MechDX said:
They have a business that relies on cooperation with Hollywood.
Recap: Hollywood is the place where coked-up patent attorneys make creative decisions about your entertainment and where all your favorite television shows are moved from Thursday to tuesday and then canceled.
You cannot have a back up plan when you are forced to staff your Delta Squad with coked-up retards.
Warm Machine
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captive said:Fixed, its almost guaranteed death sentence to get moved to friday.
Says the guy with the X-Files avatar.
It's becoming really apparent that Microsoft played Toshiba for fools. After all the money Toshiba lost in the second half of last year moneyhatting Paramount, selling players at below cost, and giving away movies, HD DVD still fails, but HD disks fail to take off this Christmas season, giving MS a whole year to get their download service to a point that it can take on Blu-ray head-on before the next Christmas season.
OokieSpookie
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Azrael said:
Shocking!!
OokieSpookie said:
True, it shouldn't be a shock to anyone and people like Michael Bay called it, but a week ago you'd be laughed off as a conspiracy theorist for saying it. If Microsoft had been committed to HD DVD, they would have made an offer to Warner Brothers that wasn't tied to them supporting Live exclusively.
Ignatz Mouse
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Darko said:
:lol!
Well, we'll see how MS's gambit works for them. I think they needed to tie up 2008 as well as 2007.
The Main Event
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ManaByte said:
I e-mailed Disney regarding replacement. They never replied to it.
The Main Event
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xsarien said:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disney/Technical_Glitches/Black_Pearl_Blu-ray_Disc_Exchange_Details_Revealed/1284
I'll be honest with you, I didn't really notice it until I paid attention to it following the reports.
Now that I'm aware of it though, I think it's an annoying issue.
Warm Machine
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MS should just buy Vudu then. They have all the studios on board and have the infastructure and delivery down as far as I hear.
Still, I don't think MS wanted to play both sides. They had a lot to gain if HD-DVD won out. VC1 is probably going to go away for disc based media in favor of Sony's format so MS loses some cash there.
Still, I don't think MS wanted to play both sides. They had a lot to gain if HD-DVD won out. VC1 is probably going to go away for disc based media in favor of Sony's format so MS loses some cash there.
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