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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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The HVD FORUM (formerly the HVD Alliance) is a coalition of corporations purposed to provide an industry forum for testing and technical discussion of all aspects of HVD design and manufacturing. By cooperating, members of the Forum hope to expedite development and engender a market receptive to HVD technology.
As of February 2006, the HVD FORUM comprises these corporations:
Alps Electric Corporation, Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Dainippon Ink and Chemicals, Inc. (DIC)
EMTEC International (subsidiary of the MPO Group)
Fuji Photo Film Company, Ltd.
Konica Minolta Holdings, Inc.
LiteOn Technology Corporation
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Company, Ltd. (MKM)
Nippon Kayaku Co., Ltd.
Nippon Paint Company, Ltd.
Optware Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Company, Ltd.
Shibaura Mechatronics Corporation
Software Architects, Inc. (?)
Suruga Seiki Company, Ltd.
Targray Technology International, Inc.
Teijin Chemicals, Ltd.
Toagosei Company, Ltd.
Tokiwa Optical Corporation
Though its bit out there still:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
Or this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacked_Volumetric_Optical_Disk
The next format war!
As of February 2006, the HVD FORUM comprises these corporations:
Alps Electric Corporation, Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Dainippon Ink and Chemicals, Inc. (DIC)
EMTEC International (subsidiary of the MPO Group)
Fuji Photo Film Company, Ltd.
Konica Minolta Holdings, Inc.
LiteOn Technology Corporation
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Company, Ltd. (MKM)
Nippon Kayaku Co., Ltd.
Nippon Paint Company, Ltd.
Optware Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Company, Ltd.
Shibaura Mechatronics Corporation
Software Architects, Inc. (?)
Suruga Seiki Company, Ltd.
Targray Technology International, Inc.
Teijin Chemicals, Ltd.
Toagosei Company, Ltd.
Tokiwa Optical Corporation
Though its bit out there still:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
Or this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacked_Volumetric_Optical_Disk
The next format war!
Nicodimas said:
For the general population, there is absolutely NO incentive to get a 4k TV ... at all.
Do you realize what size the TV would need to be to make that resolution resolvable to our eyes? 4K makes sense for movie THEATERS ... not for your house.
1) decade+? Do you realize how long NTSC was around before the HD broadcast spec happened? Jesus, we haven't even moved to dedicated digital broadcasting as it is :lol Expect the HD spec to be around for another 70 years.
2) And this 5 year video player cycle is based on what? It certainly isn't by studio and CE design. DVD's expected 'shorter lifespan' is due to the date it came out ... ie. a few years before the transition to HD broadcasting. There is no new broadcast spec coming along that will cause the same thing to happen to HDM.
OokieSpookie
Banned
Nicodimas said:
You bitch about the prices of blu ray players yet you want a 4k tv :lol
Congrats Roi! HD is such a fun experience and enjoy it as it is breathtaking...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316
Save that site as it these are really helpful.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316
Save that site as it these are really helpful.
Cold-Steel
Member
Nicodimas said:
Have you ever heard of the term HTIB?
It applies to the majority of the population (aka: reality), not enthusiasts like everyone posting in this forum.
Also, enthusiasts can be poor too (see HD-DVD).
Nicodimas said:
No Matsushita, Sony, Philips, TDK, Hitachi, Sharp, Toshiba, LG, Samsung = Non-forum.
3 of those companies missing will come as one: Matsushita, Sony and Philips.
Normally the others follow Matsushita. If then anyone wants to choose the opposite side from Matsushita...you get a format war and the side that went against Matsushita loses.
Matsushita always win.
Always.
Benjamin1981
Member
Don't know if this has been posted yet :
Warner Germany today announced that till the end of June we will see Blu Ray releases of :
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
So if we in Germany get these films, America will see these film too, i think.
Warner Germany today announced that till the end of June we will see Blu Ray releases of :
Batman Begins
V for Vendetta
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
So if we in Germany get these films, America will see these film too, i think.
1st, it's funny you don't know the correct name for the "4k resolution tv's".Nicodimas said:
2nd, Ultra HD(which is actually 4320p) will be too expensive to be available to consumers in six years. it'll be in venues.
3rd, "NHK(the guys who developed ultra hd) has an internal goal of getting ultra HD to market by 2025. "
4th, you're butthurt.
polyh3dron
Banned
+1Onix said:
These butthurt HD DVD fans just want to plant the seed of fear into BD supporters that their format too will die soon. HVD this, HD-VMD that. :lol
And yes, Matsushita Always Win. Always.
Holographic disks are there pet project and they are heavily invested in them. They and Toshiba and Sony are patent holders I believe..
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20071106/141846/
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200015/000020001500A0447139.php
http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/18/toshiba-buys-into-optwares-holographic-storage-plans/
Here is who supports which side on the next gen fight:
http://manifest-tech.com/media_dvd/dvd_holo.htm
polyh3dron
Banned
I see what you did there.. but you conveniently didn't address the post I quoted however.Nicodimas said:
The tag was well earned I see.
If you really think moving to 4K TVs any time soon is feasible with the HD transition STILL going through growing pains after so many years you're INSANE.
Christoff Yurievich
Member
Retailers Make More Room For Blu-ray. I guess it's starting.
Nicodimas said:
The specs are already done ... more competition does nothing but hurt adoption at this point.
And if anything, actually lowers the quality of the media. Studios have acknowledged that the majority of multiplatform releases shared the same encode.
Now is the time for the natural competition that occurs on a format. Just like DVD, you will see CE companies and studios compete against each other ... this will lead to better products.
Nicodimas said:Are we seriously? :lol HDM is not mainstream. 1080p is not either...yet
You're really being a jackass today ... aren't you?
Last time I checked ... the studios and CE's INTENT is for BD to be a mainstream format. That's why billions have been invested in it.
Do you honestly see them then turning around and doind the same R&D, planning, contracting, etc. for a format that people have no incentive to purchase? Crap, there won't even be viable display devices for it.
Nicodimas said:
Please tell me what the best quote from Onix is?
I'd love to see exactly how you're spinning my statement to be some sort of 'dis'.
What makes it all the funnier, is that you have singled out ONE STATEMENT by me (that is likely correct anyway) ... and claiming some sort of moral victory by it. Yet you have been shown to be owned on dozens of statements ... by everyone ... just today. :lol
Nicodimas said:
Yes. Everyone has projects on the side. In the end they need to form a standard, currently it's touchy feely experimentation with the design. When the companies band together around the broadcast empire and Matsushita specifically then we will see this take off.
However this is many years away.
Christopher
Member
So is Nico shitting up the thread again?
Nicodimas said:
I'm really not trying to 'own' you. However, you claim I made some laughable statement.
Please, enlighten me. What was it? Let me guess, the 'decades' statement? If that's the case, I'm more than happy to give a detailed explanation as to why it is correct.
The problem is, you have to consider the mainstream. There may certainly be some level of niche product to come out offering greater fidelity ... but that isn't the argument now is it? We are talking about a heavily supported format - one that actually has a lot of content and products.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Do you guys think that future players will reap greater picture fidelity? DVD players were always in a state of flux as the companies managed to develop better video chips and scalers and thusly improved upon the picture by large margins but this was mainly due to the inherent need to convert the signal from a digital one to an analog one and back again in some instances and the need to upscale the image to higher resolutions, right?
Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD) gives you 1080p out of the box and from what I've read there's very little (if any?) conversion of the signal with the Blu-Ray player essentially just passing on the info unmolested to the display.
So in a few years time will Blu-Ray players do a substantially better job than today's?
Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD) gives you 1080p out of the box and from what I've read there's very little (if any?) conversion of the signal with the Blu-Ray player essentially just passing on the info unmolested to the display.
So in a few years time will Blu-Ray players do a substantially better job than today's?
Christoff Yurievich
Member
encodes will always get better, much like with DVD.
I've read that some of the more high end BD players already do display better picture than standard players.Witchfinder General said:
I don't know how true it is though.
Really too early to say. (i do belive that picture fidelity will increase slightly, but the bulk of picture problems comes down to the settings on your display)
Of course, but he's not talking about encodes.
Christoff Yurievich
Member
wasn't sure I had a salient point, was just adding my .02 to the conversation.dallow_bg said:
polyh3dron
Banned
That's a good thing because it has happened to you in the worst way.Nicodimas said:
New FOX movies are heading to Blu-ray this Fall!
-Mrs. Doubtfire
-Patton
-The Longest Day
-The Sand Pebbles
These are appearently part of a major "Father's Day line-up" by Fox. Also included as part of this promo are Master & Commander, A Bridge Too Far and Battle of Britain.
No release dates have been given (other than Spring 2008); however, they should be out before Father's Day, which is on Sunday, June 15.
Source: High-Def Digest
-Mrs. Doubtfire
-Patton
-The Longest Day
-The Sand Pebbles
These are appearently part of a major "Father's Day line-up" by Fox. Also included as part of this promo are Master & Commander, A Bridge Too Far and Battle of Britain.
No release dates have been given (other than Spring 2008); however, they should be out before Father's Day, which is on Sunday, June 15.
Source: High-Def Digest
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Oh Hai guys... WTF is going on in here.
I re-read the last 3-4 pages and I'm left here scratching my head.
BTW, where the FUCK is my Aliens on Blu-Ray Fox?
I re-read the last 3-4 pages and I'm left here scratching my head.
BTW, where the FUCK is my Aliens on Blu-Ray Fox?
you mother bitches!!
Christoff Yurievich
Member
:lol what?NR1 said:
Witchfinder General said:
For SW, yes:
1) Current encodes are not pushing the bit-rate limit
2) Encoders themselves will get more efficient / higher quality
3) Tools will get better
4) Engineers will get better
For HW, scalers will get better/cheaper for non-1080p TV's. That is technically the corollary to what you were talking about with DVD players. Though the difference won't be as dramatic as it was with DVD, since a lot of the tech is shared (plus, deinterlacing was always the worst part of DVD ... and isn't applicable).
I'm sure there are some other avenues they can go down ... but I don't think it will amount to the evolution we saw with DVD, especially for people with 1080p.
bune duggy said:
Haha! Well, that was a mistake. :lol I guess I'm just too used to citing "Fall 200x" for movies and games that I just use it without thinking.
The article says these are part of a Father's Day promo, yet June is widely viewed as a summer month... then again the first day of summer is June 21.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Onix said:
I figured as much for software.
So basically, if you have a 1080p TV now and a good Blu-Ray player there's really no reason to upgrade (other than profile updates for java/web content if that's your thing) for a good long while.
Christopher
Member
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would be awesome in HD (the old one).
Lets get some other catalog titles in there. I don't expect BOGO on new titles, but I wouldn't mind the catalog titles being up for sales like that.
Lets get some other catalog titles in there. I don't expect BOGO on new titles, but I wouldn't mind the catalog titles being up for sales like that.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Onix said:
That's a relief. I'll be starting college in a couple of weeks and I'll be dirt poor for at least three years and thusly won't be able to indulge in my audio/visual habits.
The only thing I might get is the new panasonic Blu-Ray player imported from the US at the end of the year as more and more Blu-Ray movies are region locked and the US has a far greater collection than Australia.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Loudninja said:
Scary.
See, this is why people need pets.
Gary Whitta
Member
These people really need to get a life.Loudninja said:
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