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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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MickeyKnox
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Watt.MechDX said:
polyh3dron
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First they have to put out Once and The Darjeeling Limited. What ignoramus at Fox deemed these titles unworthy of the BD treatment?bune duggy said:
Insane Metal
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LOLMechDX said:
WTF is that shit... wow. :lol
Christoff Yurievich
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It wasn't as good as their first two though.Gary Whitta said:
favouriteflavour
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polyh3dron said:
More independant films on HD. The majority of movies that I will want this year are "independant" movies. Into the wild, Jesse James, No country, There will be blood, Juno, Lust Caution, Once, Darjeeling, Waitress ect ect.
If the only movies i can get in HD are blockbusters then I wont get many HD movies at all.
favouriteflavour said:
It would appear that these sorts of movies are in fact going to BD. Basically, if it received a lot of press, and/or some awards ... it will likely show up, regardless of whether its 'indy' or not.
As for older releases, lets just hope Criterion hurries the hell up with the move to HDM ... and makes wise title selections.
""Chuck" was the No. 1 Blu-ray Disc seller for the week, while "The Kingdom" continued its reign atop the HD DVD chart. Both high-def titles are only available in their respective formats."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...ment/news/e3i70209203cc868321434f61fb5f024ba0
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...ment/news/e3i70209203cc868321434f61fb5f024ba0
Can anyone recommend a good site (or give their own breakdown) on the various codecs and sound codecs that these discs use, and which ones are the best to the worst?
I pretty much understand avc, mpeg4 and the visual codecs, but the audio ones are completely foreign. I know TrueHD is one of the better ones (lossless) but my receiver doesn't decode it, I want to make sure I'm using the best sound my receiver can handle.
I checked Wikipedia but I couldn't find a good comparison page, and a lot of the talk was immediately over my head tech-wise. Is there a good beginner site?
Seems that the most obvious discs primed for double dip are discs without lossless sound options, so I'd like to avoid those as I finish rounding out my hd-dvd collection and begin buying blurays.
I pretty much understand avc, mpeg4 and the visual codecs, but the audio ones are completely foreign. I know TrueHD is one of the better ones (lossless) but my receiver doesn't decode it, I want to make sure I'm using the best sound my receiver can handle.
I checked Wikipedia but I couldn't find a good comparison page, and a lot of the talk was immediately over my head tech-wise. Is there a good beginner site?
Seems that the most obvious discs primed for double dip are discs without lossless sound options, so I'd like to avoid those as I finish rounding out my hd-dvd collection and begin buying blurays.
DJ_Tet said:
Audio codecs-
1) PCM, Dolbly TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA are all lossless. More or less going to have the same quality. You can get a player that will internally decode TrueHD (and soon they will be out that internally decode DTS-HD MA) and send it via PCM. In this situation, any HDMI reciever that accepts audio via HDMI will work for you. Some players have analog outs that will let older recievers recieve lossless PCM via 5.1 analog outs. You cant use optical out and get these formats. They will be downconverted to DD5.1 or core DTS depending on the player. You can get 2.0 PCM via analog.. so if you like stereo sound...
2) Dolby DD+ and DTS-HD-HR are both lossy, next gen formats. Much better than DTS or DD 5.1. DD+ may pretty much die off with HDDVD, it had much better traction on HDDVD than it did BRD. DTS-HD-HR isnt used too often either. However, some movies only say that they have DTS-HD which means it could be either the MA or HR codec. I wish DTS had used better naming for its new codecs.
3) DTS and D
Ignatz Mouse
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Oni Jazar said:
I am guessing, based on that and all the news, that we see Pac-Mac's mouth closed more than ever before.
90:10 anyone?
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
DJ_Tet said:
Through optical, you're limited to DD 5.1 (including EX) and DTS 5.1 (including ES). None of the fancy stuff.
DJ_Tet said:
You will either need the player to decode them to PCM and send them out via HDMI or 5.1 analog outs, or you will need a player that can bitstream them encoded via HDMI to a reciever that can decode them (like the new Onkyo's).
Otherwise, they will be sent as good ole DD5.1 or DTS.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
stooge,
I have a question about DD +:
How is it handled by the reciever. I know TrueHD is sent out as a PCM stream, but how is DD + sent out? And how is it shown on the receiver? Since it's "new", what would a receiver display, DD 5.1? What are the indications that you're not playing a typical DD 5.1 stream?
Also, to onix, djk and all the other audio guys:
I'm thinking of picking up an HDMI receiver, but not one that can decode the formats. I can save about $200 if I just pick one that can do 5.1 PCM through HDMI and let the players (Ps3 and an HD DVD standalone) do the decoding. Is that a good route, or do I want my receivers to do the decoding?
I have a question about DD +:
How is it handled by the reciever. I know TrueHD is sent out as a PCM stream, but how is DD + sent out? And how is it shown on the receiver? Since it's "new", what would a receiver display, DD 5.1? What are the indications that you're not playing a typical DD 5.1 stream?
Also, to onix, djk and all the other audio guys:
I'm thinking of picking up an HDMI receiver, but not one that can decode the formats. I can save about $200 if I just pick one that can do 5.1 PCM through HDMI and let the players (Ps3 and an HD DVD standalone) do the decoding. Is that a good route, or do I want my receivers to do the decoding?
DarkJediKnight
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VanMardigan said:
For DD+, you need HDMI - period. To decode DD+ in the receiver, you need a 1.3 receiver. Then it'll say "DDIGITAL PLUS"
At this point, I'd seriously look at HDMI 1.3 receivers with the codecs. This is because I'm hearing multiple issues with bass management when the new codecs (at least True HD) is decoded in the player and sent as PCM. Many of the lower cost HDMI receivers are missing the 10 dbl Bass boost on incoming PCM streams - that the receiver compensates on Dolby and DTS tracks. Ie. All Dolby tracks are mastered with -10dbl LFE, and the receiver does that for you.
It seems, the HDMI 1.3 receivers with the codecs don't have this issue: whether you decode in player or bitstream.
Ones I'd look at, including a few HDMI 1.2 models: Onkyo 605, 705, 805. Denon 2308, 2808. Yamaha V661, V861, V1800
VanMardigan said:
Many people have gone down that route. As long as your player decodes the formats you need, you'll be okay for the most part.
There are some issues with how receivers process multi-channel PCM however. Many receivers have screwed up bass management, and many have problems overlaying DPLIIx, etc. to derive 6/7 channels.
Another thing to consider is that your TV may get replaced before your receiver. Its possible that HDMI 1.3 features will be important ... so I would advise getting a receiver that supports HDMI 1.3 (even if it doesn't have the new codecs). That way, at least you'll be able to properly pass HDMI 1.3 metadata.
DD+ is either decoded to PCM by the player or bitstreamed like the other formats.VanMardigan said:
Save the money and just get an HDMI 1.1 receiver for LPCM.
However the Onkyo 605 isn't that much anyway and is 1.3.
It's supposed to be identical whether the receiver decodes it or not.
People claim it's better in the receiver, but you'd need HQ reference speakers to even begin to claim that.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
DarkJediKnight said:
I knew that, my question was about how the receiver interpreted the signal. In other words, if there was any indication at all that you were listening to DD + instead of regular DD.
Thanks for the rest of the advice.
That's what I want to do. Any receivers you'd recommend that also pass through a 1080p signal? I know grkewy bought a Sony not too long ago, but I don't remember what the model was.
Oni Jazar said:
nah I think if anything sales will pick up for HD-DVD. The first week of the WB announcement was mayhem, with rumors flying about paramount and universal goin neutral within the week. Just like when paramount went HD-DVD only, everyone said it was over for blu-ray, no way it would win, it would either lose or end up a permanent draw. I hope though it stays on the blu side of things like right now, so this war can end even faster.... maybe even drawing paramount and universal over.
dallow_bg said:
If the player is decoding it, it will show DD+.
If the player decodes it, it will send it via PCM, which can be sent via HDMI or multi channel analog outs, again depending on the player and reciever set up.
Bass management on these things is a tricky subject. Not all recievers handle it properly, and neither do all players.
Naked Snake
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Sorry if this was answered before... I have an old receiver that only does regular DD, DTS, and DPLII but none of the new formats. What do I get when I select the lossless PCM track on a bluray disc and send it to my receiver via optical? I only tested this with 2001: A Space Odyssey blu-ray, the receiver indicated that it's receiving a PCM signal and all speakers were working... Does that mean I was effectively getting original signal without downgrading?
Naked Snake
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dallow_bg said:
Are you sure? The receiver never did DPLII processing before unless I specifically enable it, and it wasn't turned on.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Chiggs
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If there are any Reward Zone members here that are planning on using that 20% off a Blu-ray player coupon towards the purchase of a PS3, it might not work.
Spoke with corporate (they said they didn't know :lol ), then spoke with two different store managers who told me flat-out "no."
Spoke with corporate (they said they didn't know :lol ), then spoke with two different store managers who told me flat-out "no."
BoboBrazil
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Thinking logically if the kingdom was still the top hd-dvd title and only sold 10% of 310 to yuma last week, then this week there should be a greater difference and bluray should outsell hd-dvd even more than 85:15...
Ignatz Mouse
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BoboBrazil said:
That's why I said 90:10.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...u-ray_to_Include_First-Ever_Digital_Copy/1395
Hitman will the first BD movie with a portable digital copy =)
Hitman will the first BD movie with a portable digital copy =)
DarkJediKnight
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VanMardigan said:
If your tv is HDMI 1.3, get a 1.3 receiver. 1.3 has auto lip sync but all components have to be 1.3 ie. PS3 > 1.3 amp > 1.3 tv etc..
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Would my computer need to have a BD drive to extract the digital copy?
never mind, I re-read that. The digital copy is on a separate dvd.
never mind, I re-read that. The digital copy is on a separate dvd.
VanMardigan said:
It's possible your TV does A/V synching ... certainly your next one may do it.
As for DeepColor, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Sony gets its new version of AVC incorporated into the BD spec as being optional.
I would expect it to work like DTS-HD/MA ... old players will simply disregard the extra data and simply see the 'core', whereas players that support it will process and output it.
Ignatz Mouse
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As long as we are talking about receivers....
I'm not too concerned abotu advanced codec support, but I would like to run all my video through my reciever so that I'm not always fussing with the projector *and* the reciever. Also, fewer cables to the projector is better. Any suggestions? Can I run everything through a reciever into a single HDMI out and then to the projecotr? Any downsides to that?
I'm not too concerned abotu advanced codec support, but I would like to run all my video through my reciever so that I'm not always fussing with the projector *and* the reciever. Also, fewer cables to the projector is better. Any suggestions? Can I run everything through a reciever into a single HDMI out and then to the projecotr? Any downsides to that?
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