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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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VictimOfGrief

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Can't recall if this has been mentioned... but is Warner going to "stop" selling the HD DVD versions of the movie once their stock is sold?

Just wanted to double check.
 
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favouriteflavour

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Onix said:
AACS prevents 1080p output from non-secure connections. HDMI is the only one that supports proper AACS encryption.




There is a difference between analog and digital cables (within reason of course).
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HDMI cables in australia are pretty overpriced, theres not really any good way to get 5 buck cables. Ebay offers some but they are way more than monoprice anyway. I see what you guys mean about digital signals, kindalike digital TV where you get a signal or you dont. I will however continue to believe in the placebo effect. Viva cables!
 
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Raistlin

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favouriteflavour said:
HDMI cables in australia are pretty overpriced, theres not really any good way to get 5 buck cables. Ebay offers some but they are way more than monoprice anyway. I see what you guys mean about digital signals, kindalike digital TV where you get a signal or you dont. I will however continue to believe in the placebo effect. Viva cables!
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There are potential bandwidth concerns depending on what spec of HDMI you are using (versus the cable) ... but otherwise, yeah ... its placebo unless there are obvious issues.


Can't you just order from monoprice ... or is the S/H insane? I would think it wouldn't be that bad if you order all the cables you think you'd need for a while?
 
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Raistlin

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Nicodimas said:
I would imagine they would keep pressing as long as its selling.
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That's an interesting assumption ;)



It isn't quite as simple as magically having them pressed, as they don't own the facilities that do it.
 
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msdstc

Incredibly Naive
Nicodimas said:
I would imagine they would keep pressing as long as its selling.
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I doubt it... does paramount still make blu-rays? I haven't checked specifically for them in a while.
 
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OokieSpookie

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VictimOfGrief said:
Can't recall if this has been mentioned... but is Warner going to "stop" selling the HD DVD versions of the movie once their stock is sold?

Just wanted to double check.
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That would be considered supporting hd-dvd, the answer is no.
I am sure there is a large backstock warehoused that will be sold through but I feel pretty safe saying that they will not be pressing any more disks.
 
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favouriteflavour

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Onix said:
There are potential bandwidth concerns depending on what spec of HDMI you are using (versus the cable) ... but otherwise, yeah ... its placebo unless there are obvious issues.


Can't you just order from monoprice ... or is the S/H insane? I would think it wouldn't be that bad if you order all the cables you think you'd need for a while?
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I looked at it a while back, it was either they dont ship to Australia period or it wasnt worth the cost. Can't remember which. Either way I feel good that I have everything possible to maximise performance for my PS3.
 
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Raistlin

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favouriteflavour said:
I looked at it a while back, it was either they dont ship to Australia period or it wasnt worth the cost. Can't remember which. Either way I feel good that I have everything possible to maximise performance for my PS3.
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Just wondering, but why were you so concerned about component output if you had an HDMI cable? :p
 
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favouriteflavour

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Onix said:
Just wondering, but why were you so concerned about component output if you had an HDMI cable? :p
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I got the HDMI cable during lunch (~3 hours ago) because I was damn sure about the restriction over component. I was hoping to buy a few movies instead of a cable if it was avoidable. At least I get to upscale my dvds now. On that topic which dvd upscaling setting should I use? Theres like four options (full, double and a couple others).
 
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Wollan

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Small potatoes internationally but two of the biggest Scandinavian movie firms have dedicated themselves to BD only:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=935

First releases in April which involves 'Arn: The Temple Knight' which is the most expensive Scandinavian film ever made. Saw it this Christmas in cinemas, good movie which relates around Arn's growth to manhood, forbidden love and such with some fighting (that's not remotely close to The Kingdom of Heaven). The movie switches between Swedish and English languages in regards to domestic or foreign situations.
 
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polyh3dron

Banned
Stinkles said:
You guys are always telling people to get $5 monoprice cables. And you claim to be videophiles. These expensive cables have dielectric metal hydride woven shielding. This allows the data to surf smoothly from the player to the TV without picking up noise thetans. Resulting in a much better picture with more resolutions attached.
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favouriteflavour

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favouriteflavour said:
I got the HDMI cable during lunch (~3 hours ago) because I was damn sure about the restriction over component. I was hoping to buy a few movies instead of a cable if it was avoidable. At least I get to upscale my dvds now. On that topic which dvd upscaling setting should I use? Theres like four options (full, double and a couple others).
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Can anyone give me some directions with this?
 
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DrXym

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Nicodimas said:
I would imagine they would keep pressing as long as its selling.
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I doubt it but they may have printed millions of these things.

I remember the situation with DVD. I was very pissed off that Warner released a couple of disks as flippers (two sided) rather than dual layer. One of them was Goodfellas which is a great movie. It took FIVE YEARS before they bothered to print Goodfellas in dual layer and I expect that was they had an entire warehouse full of flippers to sell first.

I can't imagine that they would have continued to print flippers if they'd run out of stock in the first place.
 
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favouriteflavour

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ok this is really bullshit now, I cant fucking watch hairspray at all on bluray. I put the disc in and the system just crashes completely. I can watch casino royale, but hairspray not only will not work but cripples the system. Can't even shut down the system without turning it off from the back. Hairspray is profile 1.1 movie but I have the newest firmware it should work fine. help me please, I want to watch my damn movie!
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
favouriteflavour said:
ok this is really bullshit now, I cant fucking watch hairspray at all on bluray. I put the disc in and the system just crashes completely. I can watch casino royale, but hairspray not only will not work but cripples the system. Can't even shut down the system without turning it off from the back. Hairspray is profile 1.1 movie but I have the newest firmware it should work fine. help me please, I want to watch my damn movie!
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Since this issue is not widespread, it could be either

1.) An issue with your disc
2.) A strange issue with your PS3 Settings

It sounds like you don't even have a chance to select the Hair Spray Blu-Ray icon on the PS3 menu. If that is the case, it's almost certainly an issue with your Disc.
 
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favouriteflavour

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Suikoguy said:
Since this issue is not widespread, it could be either

1.) An issue with your disc
2.) A strange issue with your PS3 Settings

It sounds like you don't even have a chance to select the Hair Spray Blu-Ray icon on the PS3 menu. If that is the case, it's almost certainly an issue with your Disc.
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Copyright warnings come up then it just dies without getting to menus. I thought it might be a disc issue but neither disc works, surely not 2 defective discs right?
 
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Keyser Soze

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favouriteflavour said:
ok this is really bullshit now, I cant fucking watch hairspray at all on bluray. I put the disc in and the system just crashes completely. I can watch casino royale, but hairspray not only will not work but cripples the system. Can't even shut down the system without turning it off from the back. Hairspray is profile 1.1 movie but I have the newest firmware it should work fine. help me please, I want to watch my damn movie!
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I got a game with excatlly the same issue, used to crash and freeze the PS3 when I put it in. When I swapped for a new disc of the same game everything was fine
 
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favouriteflavour

Member
Keyser Soze said:
I got a game with excatlly the same issue, used to crash and freeze the PS3 when I put it in. When I swapped for a new disc of the same game everything was fine
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bah! I will try the movie on my nephews system tomorrow. Otherwise no movie for another week.
 
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favouriteflavour

Member
The fuck? I switched to svideo and it worked, I then switched to HDMI again and it works. 7 tries and then it just works, the hell?

Still doesnt look right though. Hairspray and casino royale are supposed to be stunning transfers. At the moment they arent even close to my knocked up hd dvd. Some setting is definitely off.
 
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favouriteflavour

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Nicodimas said:
Not all TVs have global settings, or you have adjust every input one at a time. My TV is like that..annoying.
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This is possible, my PS3 is on HDMI and 360 is VGA. Unfortunately my set doesnt allow for individual settings per input.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Stinkles said:
You guys are always telling people to get $5 monoprice cables. And you claim to be videophiles. These expensive cables have dielectric metal hydride woven shielding. This allows the data to surf smoothly from the player to the TV without picking up noise thetans. Resulting in a much better picture with more resolutions attached.
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We would have also accepted "the data rate is insufficient on cheaper cords."
:lol
Seriously dude at best buy claimed cheap hdmi cords wont handle the gigabytes per second of blu-ray. I kindly told him he was wrong and walked away.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

Banned
My $10 HDMI cable works flawlessly.

I did wonder when I first got it, since I had issues-- but that was with my el Cheapo Toshiba upscaling DVD player. Once the PS3 arrived I've had no issues.
 
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Oni Jazar

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Weekly Numbers:

Week: 74:26
YTD: 76:24
SI: 65:35

Week ending February 3, 2008

3:10 to Yuma 100.00
Planet Earth 95.72
PotC At World's End 95.68
Saw IV 88.39
Transformers 88.24
300 87.09
Bourne Supremacy 84.00
Game Plan 83.90
Invasion 76.78
Ratatouille 69.25

Interesting analysis from Grubert of AVS & Blu-ray forums. Based on external reports and ratios, he was able to get a rough calculation of sales volumes for Jan 08 & Jan 07: (in thousands)

Code: 
Week     BD    HD DVD
01/06   301     162
01/13   322      57
01/20   200      41
01/27   177      39
02/03   147      52

Code: 
Week        BD     HD DVD
1/7/07    44,779   25,943
1/14/07   45,754   21,362
1/21/07   53,050   25,233
1/28/07   47,803   21,634
2/4/07    45,723   20,535

Blu-ray has already sold 1Million BD titles in one month.
 
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djkimothy

Member
Oni Jazar said:
Weekly Numbers:

Week: 74:26
YTD: 76:24
SI: 65:35

Week ending February 3, 2008

3:10 to Yuma 100.00
Planet Earth 95.72
PotC At World's End 95.68
Saw IV 88.39
Transformers 88.24
300 87.09
Bourne Supremacy 84.00
Game Plan 83.90
Invasion 76.78
Ratatouille 69.25
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wow that was quick.
 
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captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Oni Jazar said:
Weekly Numbers:

Week: 74:26
YTD: 76:24
SI: 65:35

Week ending February 3, 2008

3:10 to Yuma 100.00
Planet Earth 95.72
PotC At World's End 95.68
Saw IV 88.39
Transformers 88.24
300 87.09
Bourne Supremacy 84.00
Game Plan 83.90
Invasion 76.78
Ratatouille 69.25

Interesting analysis from Grubert of AVS & Blu-ray forums. Based on external reports and ratios, he was able to get a rough calculation of sales volumes for Jan 08 & Jan 07: (in thousands)

Code: 
Week     BD    HD DVD
01/06   301     162
01/13   322      57
01/20   200      41
01/27   177      39
02/03   147      52

Code: 
Week        BD     HD DVD
1/7/07    44,779   25,943
1/14/07   45,754   21,362
1/21/07   53,050   25,233
1/28/07   47,803   21,634
2/4/07    45,723   20,535
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In before "HD Dee vee dee is r on a comeback"
 
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djkimothy

Member
Oni Jazar said:
I should say that there was a BestBuy BOGO offer on HD DVD titles last week.
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I don't think it did much. Looks like sales of BD went down a bit with HDDVD sales staying the same. The spread in the top 10 isn't as large as previous weeks.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
The comeback kid. lulz

And if you look at the HD DVD release slate for January, it's downright pathetic. It's pretty bad on Blu too, but they've had some decent releases. HD DVD would've gotten trounced regardless of the Warner announcement, even 70/30.

The sales have definitely dropped on HD DVD, but I'm not sure Blu's sales have increased as much as I would've thought after the announcement, and I blame the high cost of players for that. I keep saying it, the Blu camp needs to lower their player prices ASAP.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

Banned
I think it's more a matter of it being out of the post-Holiday glow period, and nothing mind-blowing being released.

Shocked at HD-DVD's comeback! Those who enjoy poking at the (choose one: deluded faithful | joke characters ) will no doubt have more opportunity.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Look at this:

hd digest said:
* Dispatch: Zimbabwe - Live at Madison Square Garden (Warner Music Group)
* King of California (First Look)
* Strauss: Die Fledermaus (Opus Arte)

January 22, 2008

* Channels (Vanguard Cinema)
* Method Man: Live from the Sunset Strip (Music Distribution)

January 15, 2008

* The Ten (City Lights)

January 08, 2008

* Mobsters (Universal)
* The Pianist (Universal)
* The Road to Bali/The Road to Rio (BCI)
* White Noise (Universal)
* White Noise 2 (Universal)
* Zodiac: Director's Cut (Paramount)
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That's downright pathetic. Zodiac being the only title even remotely exciting and it definitely tanked according to the sales charts. It would've been 70/30 for Blu regardless, and Blu really needs to spark its software sales. The best way to do that is to get players in folk's homes.
 
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Oni Jazar

Member
VanMardigan said:
Look at this:

That's downright pathetic. Zodiac being the only title even remotely exciting and it definitely tanked according to the sales charts. It would've been 70/30 for Blu regardless, and Blu really needs to spark its software sales. The best way to do that is to get players in folk's homes.
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Q1 is always the slowest time of the year. We saw the big pushes last Oct-Dec and we will see it again this Oct-Dec. The giants are all sleeping.
 
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Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
So 30 Days of Night was going to be my first Blu-ray movie but it's apparently coming out in Germany in April. There was a thread on the gaming side about a ps3 price cut has this been substantiated or debunked cause if it's true I can hold off a little longer.
 
KZObsessed

KZObsessed

Member
70 is the new 80, bitches!

What I find most surprising is how much Planet Earth HD-DVD appears to have died. Blu-Ray version outsold it almost 13:1, must be being returned on mass, or the BD version has increased greatly after Warner announcement.

SI went up 1 as well.
 
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djkimothy

Member
GauntletFan said:
http://www.product-reviews.net/2008...eath-as-wal-mart-sells-out-of-toshibas-hd-a3/

HD DVD defies death as Wal-Mart sells-out of Toshiba’s HD-A3
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VideoScan reports that during the seven days between Jan 7 and Jan 14, Sony Blu-ray has closed the gap by 7% of total discs sold since inception with HD DVD. It looks like the two formats could be at disc sales parity within weeks if this trend continues.
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really...

And what if those HDDVD players are sold to people who only intend on using the players as an upscale player.
 
KZObsessed

KZObsessed

Member
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
djkimothy said:
really...

And what if those HDDVD players are sold to people who only intend on using the players as an upscale player.
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Then they should have bought a $50 unit? More like Toshiba's superbowl ad did what it was targeted to do. Sell a new HD tech to people who aren't following or concerned with a format war.

Most people in America don't follow current events. Just because this makes the news doesn't mean Joe Sixpack is aware of it.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
xS1TH L0RDx said:
sorry to stereotype, but i doubt the average wal-mart customer would invest enough time researching both hd-dvd and blu-ray formats before buying a player. they probably saw "hd" and saw the price tag.
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I don't think Toshiba cares if they then come back and brows the HD DVD section. But still, if there was ever a time for $99 players, this is it. The format is basically dead, and the only way retailers will move a ton of units is at $99 and below, which means Toshiba has to take an even bigger loss. But hey, that's the price you pay if you don't want to just fold up shop and start producing hybrid players.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Check the link yourself. It IS sold out........online.

So yeah, this gives us no real indication of just how much units were moved or if the same sales are occurring at BM.
 
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