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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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jeremy_ricci
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borghe said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol
You mean the same Ken K who made the PS2 the staggering success it still is? (Note: PS2 sold 200K+ in Jan...it's 8 years old).
You mean the same Ken K who predicted people would be getting online to play their games with each other (though he did exaggerate) on consoles in a manner that no one had seen before (which is coming true).
The same Ken K, who by golly, made a heavy push to put Blu-Ray technology in the PS3, ultimately giving the PS3 both a technological edge over all the competition, and securing the format as a sure fire 'winner'?
That Ken K? Not sure if we're talking about the same person.
Just to make sure, the Ken K who made a huge push to get DVD in the PS2, and as an end result, ultimately gave it a staggering push into homes around the world? The guy who put nearly 100 Million PS2's into the hands of people all over the world? That guy?
Maybe his comments got into your panties, but trying to sell his achievements short is nothing short of a joke. As a result, I can do nothing but laugh as you're utterly ridiculous post.
Edit: In ref to your football analogy (which is stupid) it only supports the claims for Ken K. The QB had to get them into field goal range, hand the ball off to the RB, and call the plays / read the defense. Without him (Ken K) the team wouldn't have gotten into field goal range.
OokieSpookie
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The page of the BEAST!!!
jeremy_ricci
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Ripclawe said:Blu Ray upgrade this weekend it is
I love how the news broke on the walmart blog and there was still denial over it.
As an aside. We must support Ms. Laar by buying PS3 and some games.
Your avatar is awesome.
borghe said:
Opinion which many would contest, with good basis.
He was the one who created the name. Is it really a running joke? You're going OTT here.
SCEI is just fine, it's a midget division compared to SEL and what he did to SEL is what Stringer is reaping the benefits from now. Joining Samsung on LCD, scrapping CRT, Plasma and other technologies where they didn't invest. Instigating partnerships with NEC, Toshiba and others to realise synergies in products before they are commoditised. Removing fixation with closed standards like ATRAC for open standards like MP3 and MP4.
Stringer is more responsible for Blu-ray's victory, he has extensive contacts within Hollywood after his stint at CBS and Sony Corporation of America. That was one of the reason's he was bought in as CEO aside from the fact that Idei felt a foreigner was better able to make drastic changes without people taking it personally.
Sony Pictures works independently of Group and Amy Pascal is the chief architect of the studio's record breaking performance over the last couple of years. Miles Flint at Sony-Ericsson is an example of another independent operation from group that has really contributed to the bottom line of late.
It's primarily SEL that has changed Sony's outlook and that is what the company really cares about. Kutaragi's changes are what Stringer inherited, added to the upturns from Pascal's SPE and Flint's SE Stringer is able to tout his 5% margin and shout success.
People forget Kutaragi was removed by Stringer for not being open and transparent with him about the operation at SCEI. That is what Stringer wanted overall and Kutaragi was his own man. When Kutaragi revealed the situation with the PS3 it blindsided Stringer and enough was enough.
I guess it's natural that a few people going too far in the direction of praising Kutaragi would spark a few going to the opposite extreme and giving him credit for nothing...
And here I thought being a visionary was about having a longer view...apparently it's a more shortsighted thing.borghe said:
PS2, circa first year? Is that what you're talking about?
I guess that would be arguable if you could at least correlate a downturn with the PS3, but haven't most of the other electronics divisions been on an upturn for the last year or more?
Jill Sandwich
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I have to be on this legendary page of this legendary thread. Any satan-related movies on Blu?
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Jill Sandwich said:
House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects
Ignatz Mouse
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The weirdest thing about that cover is that it's right outside my office building. If I were to walk straight out the front door and face left, that would be my view.
What's hilarious is that, unsurprisingly, that amazing fake cover will likely be 10x better than the real thing. That's such a fantastic mock up, I wonder if they would/could really do covers that minimalist in regards to text.
Oh yeah legendary thread etc etc 666 pages would have been a great place to end it but I guess we still have a few more months before it's truly finished. In a nice coincidence on my way home tonight I stopped at the dinky HMV near my place and they had 3:10 to Yuma on BD finally. Picked that up along with Ratatoille for the hell of it. Any mild hesitations I still had about diving head first into high def movie buying are now fully over.
Oh yeah legendary thread etc etc 666 pages would have been a great place to end it but I guess we still have a few more months before it's truly finished. In a nice coincidence on my way home tonight I stopped at the dinky HMV near my place and they had 3:10 to Yuma on BD finally. Picked that up along with Ratatoille for the hell of it. Any mild hesitations I still had about diving head first into high def movie buying are now fully over.
polyh3dron
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Weinstein says "I dunno I'm waiting for the BDA to give me more monies"Maggot9 said:
polyh3dron
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Hell I like the 360 too even though I'm on my 3rd console and 2nd Wifi adaptor, but I saw the writing on the wall with Blu-ray a year ago.smurfx said:
Just the most vocal and irrational ones I think, and there are a fair number of rather extreme Sony-haters for various reasons (think of the /. crowd as an example) out there in electronics enthusiasm. To be fair though you wouldn't have to look far in that subforum to find plenty of batshit crazy BD fanboys, a surprising number of whom might seem pretty anti 360.smurfx said:
Basically that whole smackdown forum was set up as a dumping ground for the truly annoying and trollish elements to go fling feces at each other, and I'd say it served it's purpose. :lolit's great that you guys point out everything ken did during the 90s and early 00s. Yes, the guy revolutionized the industry in those respects. But in business you're only as great as your most recent disaster. ask steve jobs before apple rebounded in the late 90s. ask bernie stolar who launched the PSX AND Dreamcast in the US.
I mean seriously, you are implying the guy gets a free pass on tanking his division because of shit he did 10 years ago? Oh my.. I wish I could live in the world of business you guys operate in. "Hey boss.. Sorry for taking the national network down for two days.. But remember back in the 90's when I launched the ecomm system?" He tanked SCEI which subsequently tanked SCEE and SCEA. While these divisions weren't impacted greatly financially, again, they went from 60% market share in the face of superior hardware to less than 20% market share. that is a fucking tanking of epic proportions.
And all of this goes back to the original topic of this tangent. He deserved to be fired. No matter what he did during the 90s and early 00s, no matter how big he built the PS brand to. He failed at his job, and crediting BRDs victory to him over a year after he was let go from the position is as much an insult to the people who rode this out and made it happen as it is to the intelligence of every person you are trying to feed this to. Going back to business, if my predecessor puts in a network that doesn't work and constantly crashes, does he still get the credit for the awesome network after I come in and fix it? Really?
And lest you people really think I have an agenda.. Again, I own a PS3. I own a 360. I own a Wii. I have almost 50/50 split between BRD and HD-DVD. I don't care about any of this format war bullshit and I don't care about console war bullshit because I make enough to own all of them. But I'm not going to sit here gazing into a portrait of Ken K telling myself how dreamy he is when, the fact remains, he has nothing to do with ANY of this. Putting a BRD inside every PS3 was not a brilliant or visionary move. Under his leadership that move practically cost Sony it's entire business in the video game market. It's what the people did after that, aka the lemonade they made from his lemons, that turned things around.
I mean seriously, you are implying the guy gets a free pass on tanking his division because of shit he did 10 years ago? Oh my.. I wish I could live in the world of business you guys operate in. "Hey boss.. Sorry for taking the national network down for two days.. But remember back in the 90's when I launched the ecomm system?" He tanked SCEI which subsequently tanked SCEE and SCEA. While these divisions weren't impacted greatly financially, again, they went from 60% market share in the face of superior hardware to less than 20% market share. that is a fucking tanking of epic proportions.
no, of course you're not going to further it. Because then you'd have to explain 1 month ever of Sony outselling MS in NA. and sony outselling MS in Europe less than 25% of the time. The only territory Sony is handedly whooping MS is the one territory MS has NEVER been able to grasp, and it's not doing it by enough to compensate for the other two losses. and let's not even get to the monsterous first place the Wii has. Will this change? Who knows? But in the meantime the fact remains that Sony went from controlling almost 60% of the industry to controlling less than 20% on the back of ONE SYSTEM. ONE SYSTEM that fell directly under the control of Ken K. So again, should the guy really get a free pass? I can't think of any other business model where he would.
And all of this goes back to the original topic of this tangent. He deserved to be fired. No matter what he did during the 90s and early 00s, no matter how big he built the PS brand to. He failed at his job, and crediting BRDs victory to him over a year after he was let go from the position is as much an insult to the people who rode this out and made it happen as it is to the intelligence of every person you are trying to feed this to. Going back to business, if my predecessor puts in a network that doesn't work and constantly crashes, does he still get the credit for the awesome network after I come in and fix it? Really?
And lest you people really think I have an agenda.. Again, I own a PS3. I own a 360. I own a Wii. I have almost 50/50 split between BRD and HD-DVD. I don't care about any of this format war bullshit and I don't care about console war bullshit because I make enough to own all of them. But I'm not going to sit here gazing into a portrait of Ken K telling myself how dreamy he is when, the fact remains, he has nothing to do with ANY of this. Putting a BRD inside every PS3 was not a brilliant or visionary move. Under his leadership that move practically cost Sony it's entire business in the video game market. It's what the people did after that, aka the lemonade they made from his lemons, that turned things around.
while your attempt at spin is noble, in football a quarterback who is known for getting down the field but never getting the TD is rarely kept as a starter for long. ken had all these great plans for the PS3 but failed on executing most. this is why he deserved to be removed.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Sage00 said:Page 666? Perfect.
duketogo88 said:
OokieSpookie said:
:lol :lol :lol
Seriously... this thread should be published into a book. I hope it gets preserved in the archives
I don't know what you call this but it's delicious, spin? Damage control? But it's hilarious.
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=43321
It's come to the point where they're just trying to convince you to not buy anything blu-ray for the sake of it.
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=43321
It's come to the point where they're just trying to convince you to not buy anything blu-ray for the sake of it.
polyh3dron
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It's only 666 for the girlie men (or manly girls) who set GAF up to only display 50 posts per page.Sage00 said:Page 666? Perfect.
It's 333 for me.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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The Main Event
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StoOgE said:
What are you planning to get? PS3? Or wait for a (decent) dual format player?
More support is dropping...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/niveus-pledges-allegiance-to-blu-ray-bids-adieu-to-hd-dvd/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/niveus-pledges-allegiance-to-blu-ray-bids-adieu-to-hd-dvd/
Warm Machine
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It is amazing how much Warner's decision effected the outcome. Had they swung the other way I wonder if a similar result would still have occured?
Warm Machine
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Suikoguy said:
Big domino though. It became a self fullfilling prophecy over night. I knew the moment the switch happened that it was lights out but it really is incredible how it was picked up. I bet Toshiba's heads are spinning by the avalanche.
As much as all this negative news is harmful, luckily its just a nasty week for Hd-dvd as lots of good things happened recently. The format has some stellar releases coming to over the course of this year. I can't wait to see how Tosh/Para/Uni responds to all this news. Hopefully it is something fun like a five year contract for para/universal.
-Someone on another forum called toshiba customer service and they said all is well over there and not to worry.
(Of course this all would work wonders in selling the best combo format players if they release them low enough price wise and have para/universal on board. Food for thought..not saying this is happening-but would be a genious move. Have all the blu-ray releases and two studios exclusive to your players..)
This is really a great strategy actually if analyzing it instead of being so negative its called faking death.. Can't wait to see how this is going by the warner exit.
-Someone on another forum called toshiba customer service and they said all is well over there and not to worry.
(Of course this all would work wonders in selling the best combo format players if they release them low enough price wise and have para/universal on board. Food for thought..not saying this is happening-but would be a genious move. Have all the blu-ray releases and two studios exclusive to your players..)
This is really a great strategy actually if analyzing it instead of being so negative its called faking death.. Can't wait to see how this is going by the warner exit.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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bishoptl said:
hey hey! no love in page 666!
Pai Pai Master
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Nicodimas said:
Holy shit. :lol
Even if they were to be offered another contract (which they won't, HD-DVD is dead buddy), there's no way in hell they'd take it.
viewtifulsub
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Nicodimas said:
I bet at night you cry yourself to sleep.
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