gutter_trash
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because the left doesn't exist in the US.
When you have a center-right party (D) vs a far-right party (R), people on the left will think that the center-right party is on the left (when in function, it isn`t)
Hillary Clinton: drug legalization won't end the problem
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because the left doesn't exist in the US.
When you have a center-right party (D) vs a far-right party (R), people on the left will think that the center-right party is on the left (when in function, it isn`t)
perfectchaos007
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She's Hillary fucking Clinton, she doesn't have to say shit if she doesn't want to. And there's no reason to believe she doesn't actually think this. As a senator she made noises about possibly taking some action against Rockstar over GTA 3.
If you want to know why this is a big deal, this is the loudest noise the WH has made in response to the CO and WA initiatives.
Legalization will help cut the flow of money to cartels, of course.
But the question is - what about their existing fortunes? How do you de-fang them and bring them to justice? If legalization happens the cartels cannot be given a pass and their existing fortunes cannot simply be legitimized.
But the question is - what about their existing fortunes? How do you de-fang them and bring them to justice? If legalization happens the cartels cannot be given a pass and their existing fortunes cannot simply be legitimized.
CriginsMcJuggs
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
He's probably referring to the concepts of legalizing only weed vs. legalizing everything, as well as legalization vs. decriminalization.
We've been kinda bouncing around in this thread.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I'm not sure what your language is on all issues but it seems we do agree on this one. My language is that when a state puts something to vote and it passes the feds not override the vote of the people that the law was changed for.
However, I do think there are certain aspects of our personal lives that the feds should be involved in such as social security, healthcare, and other social programs. I suppose that may be for another thread though.
and i still get sad whenever I see the word Gaborn posted 
Too dangerous. Obviously some reform needs to be done (especially with marijuana), but all the harder stuff should never be legalize. I do not trust people enough , let alone our culture(americans) to handle such transition.
That is not the right attitude.
With legalization, a society must implement programs that include harm reduction centres and allow people to seek help for their addiction.
If the goal of a society is to reduce drug abuse, and the negative impact of drugs, a multi-pronged approach is needed. Where people who are addicted are afforded the help they need.
I think legalizing drugs without implementing social and medical programs will negatively impact the health of a society.
The Abominable Snowman
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Those entrapped in the drug trafficking ring will just move on from Weed to another drug, but .. , selling weed is so easy if you watch out for the authority. Its EASY money and people do get addicted to making easy money.
Its sort of like a recruitment and training program for hardcore drug thugs
Legalize Marijuana, and that will go away.
Its sort of like a recruitment and training program for hardcore drug thugs
Legalize Marijuana, and that will go away.
SteveWinwood
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I've never really liked her...
I wish Wesley Clark would come back into politics but he's too smart to get involved with this whole shit show anymore. But I'd definitely campaign for him hard.
He's probably the only politician I agree with almost every single thing on.
I wish Wesley Clark would come back into politics but he's too smart to get involved with this whole shit show anymore. But I'd definitely campaign for him hard.
He's probably the only politician I agree with almost every single thing on.
OriginofHysteria
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Yep I could see how beneficial that is, which is why I believe in sending them to rehab centers than jail
K
kittens
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Ehh, there's two problems here.
1. People being harmed by drugs and addiction.
2. People being harmed by the criminalization of drugs, and the subsequent police violence, imprisonment, harm to families, etc.
Hilary's ignoring the second one.
1. People being harmed by drugs and addiction.
2. People being harmed by the criminalization of drugs, and the subsequent police violence, imprisonment, harm to families, etc.
Hilary's ignoring the second one.
But the demand isnt there. There simply is not enough hard drug demand for every weed dealer to become a hard drug dealer. Many will be squeezed out.
Personally, i am in favor of legalizing pot and decriminalizing hard drugs. Send the hard drug users to get treatment and send the hard drug dealers to jail
Full legalization, when done properly will probably be the best method for curbing drug use and drug abuse.
It is like Portugal decriminalizing drugs but without the black market. There would be social and medical programs needed to make sure people can get the help they need. Along with other government regulations.
But it would certainly better than the situation is now, where the criminal element is very strong and dangerous. Not to mention people with addiction are treated like criminals rather than being treated like they have a medical problem, which further exacerbates the issue.
robertsan21
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good news, hopefully not a single state will legalize this shit.
The Abominable Snowman
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Thats a good point, but even more impetus to change the drug laws as they currently are.
perfectchaos007
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I'm not sure what your language is on all issues but it seems we do agree on this one. My language is that when a state puts something to vote and it passes the feds not override the vote of the people that the law was changed for.
However, I do think there are certain aspects of our personal lives that the feds should be involved in such as social security, healthcare, and other social programs. I suppose that may be for another thread though.
and i still get sad whenever I see the word Gaborn posted
My language boils down to making sure our states rights are to be respected by the federal government. If States rights aren't recognized by the Feds, then what is the point of having states? I'm not suggesting each state become their own nation like they almost were before the federalist papers, but a happy medium should be found.
SapientWolf
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This makes a lot of sense to me, to the point where I have to wonder if there are other motivations behind jailing so many people for such a long period of time over what is essentially benign drug use. Doctors prescribe harder stuff than marijuana for slight pain without even blinking.
ProfessorLobo
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This post brought to you from two months ago.
Mr. Wonderful
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I have two problems with legalization.
The first is the culture around people who smoke Marijauna. Quite frankly, the people who are not the very casual, "I was at a party, so..." smokers do NOT shut up about pot.
The second is the slippery slope issue. If we legalize Marijauna, what's to stop us from legalizing other drugs in the future? It's inevitable to me that we will create a perfect synthetic drug one day, and I really don't want to live in a society where everyone is on and depends on drugs to make it through their days, Brave New World-style.
The first is the culture around people who smoke Marijauna. Quite frankly, the people who are not the very casual, "I was at a party, so..." smokers do NOT shut up about pot.
The second is the slippery slope issue. If we legalize Marijauna, what's to stop us from legalizing other drugs in the future? It's inevitable to me that we will create a perfect synthetic drug one day, and I really don't want to live in a society where everyone is on and depends on drugs to make it through their days, Brave New World-style.
Count Dookkake
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Should ban sports and religion, among other things.
You obviously have more faith in our society and culture than I do. Look how we handle alcohol compared to other cultures. And you want to allow heavier stuff on the streets?
Frustrated_me
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Count Dookkake
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Because I am not required to.
Because I really don't think it's a slippery slope. Was that a good reason to keep alcohol illegal?
Vicetrailia
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Ah the non-progressive mentality, how much more pain shall you cause today.
Frustrated_me
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Cool.
freenudemacusers
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the one about the super synthetic drug that will placate the masses and wash us all into a lull of conformity?
how is it a slippery slope when alcohol is a harder drug than marijuana?
Frustrated_me
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I think he meant cocaine, heroine, meth etc etc..
Princess Carl
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What about cigarettes? It's a valid counterpoint.
Frustrated_me
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It is, but how about the one's I listed as well?
Alcohol = Guns.
Pot = Bows and Arrows.
If we make bows and arrows legal, it's a slippery slope to laser guns.
Fenderputty
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I like when people start their argument by admitting logical fallacy.
Frustrated_me
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Yeah cigarettes and alcohol are terrible, I just don't want to add pot and eventually other substances like cocaine, heroine, meth etc to the list.
I also want the war to end, shits fucking wild. Can we not find an alternative solution? Whatever they're trying isnt working I agree, but is there no other option?
Frustrated_me
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Isnt there also a lot more addicts and what not in Portugal since this? I swear I remember seeing something about this but I could be wrong.
Fenderputty
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Did you even read the article? Forget the fact that your answer is in the title:
Phoenix
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Of course it will stand, there is no grounds for it to not stand. The state is saying that it won't prosecute or aid in prosecution and that's entirely within its jurisdiction to do so. However the federal government can still enforce federal law and so while the state may choose to do nothing about it - the federal government may still conduct raids and such to enforce federal law.
When looking at the system, this may actually not be a bad thing. The states don't normally go after big folks and the federal government normally doesn't go after small folks so the enforcement of the law at the federal level will mean more pressure on the big players that are moving larger volumes and far less on the street peddlers.
You are certainly entitled to abstain from whatever you'd like, but how has the legality of alcohol and cigarettes affected you negatively?
Aika'svyse
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Why does there have to be an all or nothing approach, why cant they test the affects of legalization of some drugs on crime and dependency, if it doesnt work pull it back.
Angry Fork
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Me either, I think she's a loathsome crony.
More Fun To Compute
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Drugs have to be illegal because it gives criminals something to do other than violence and other mob rackets?
It's such an amazing admission that it's completely caught me off guard.
It's such an amazing admission that it's completely caught me off guard.
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