People are just looking to lock down pathways. If Hillary wins VA + PA, Trump cannot win unless he runs the table (including NH).
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Hillary Clinton Selects Tim Kaine As VP
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People are just looking to lock down pathways. If Hillary wins VA + PA, Trump cannot win unless he runs the table (including NH).
Dubbedinenglish
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Let him, he is in the teens for Hispanic support, he wants to burn that too than good.
It's flabbergasting.
Some people would rather feel cozy in their feels of "at least I didn't vote for her" in case something goes wrong in the next four years, rather than actively denounce and overwhelmingly reject the deterioration of american institutions.
It's self-centered as hell.
I dare him to try it lol.
I mean, I don't doubt he would, but seriously that'd be ridiculous to do in the general.
BrutishMrFish
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Come on. If we're not living in a dystopia now, it's not likely that a continuation of Obama's policies will suddenly screw everything up.
jack_package_200
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"Donald Trump slams Tim Kaine for speaking to Latino Rally and treating them like people"
whyamihere
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Man, Turmp is going to go off on Jeff Flake again.
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/756654936599859200
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/756654936599859200
foodtaster
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Not voting for someone you don't like is hardly self-centered, lol.
He's trying to make hispanic voters lean D as hard as black voters do
At least it seems that way
^. Honestly, I like the pick. I don't really get the complaints about needing an exciting pick to motivate people to come out to vote Hillary. Have you seen the Republicans, Trump, and the RNC? That alone should be enough to get you out to vote anyway.
Hillary should be getting Warren and Sanders to speak for her and campaign as is so what's the big fucking deal that they aren't VP?
ChronotriggerJM
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For Pete's sake people, vote for the lesser of two evils if you really think she's that bad. The Democratic platform is pretty beastly right now, and throwing that away because you don't like the faceplate is comically short sighted. There's more to this election than just Hillary or Trump.
I think people are underestimating how good these picks are for nebulous concepts like "energy"...these are all actually politicians who have shown that they can do the job properly, which is a marked difference to the republican side. Sick burns can be rehearsed later for the debates when they happen.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I don't care if people vote for Hillary or not. But Trump is beyond the pale. Let's have some perspective.
A Hillary presidency will not be some dark dystopia even if she fucks up and starts a war in Uzbekistan.
TRUMP IS ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING ON DEPORTING 11 MILLION PEOPLE
TRUMP THINKS BLACK LIVES MATTER PROMOTES CHAOS AND DISORDER
TRUMP MOCKS THE DISABLED AND HANDICAPPED
ive never really viewed it as fine when the only two choices you have is either 'shit i need a bugout bag' and 'gee, 4 more years of the continuing decline of most of the country'. We really needed someone to aim high to even get a little, and all we end up with is 'well shit look at that crazy asshole over there lets keep things from going down that crazy road and play it safe'.
Clinton doesnt represent hope or progress or any of that bullshit, she just represents avoiding catastrophe.
Not voting against someone that is anathema to various minorities and vulnerable groups is being self-centered because you dont like someone.
foodtaster
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No it is not.
yea but south park said turd sandwich and they maek me lol so south park is rite?????
LOL I hope this isn't serious.
Friendships across the political aisle are not uncommon.
If Trump wins in November, will we assume not enough liberals turned out to vote, or that even after their best turnout they could not overcome Trump voters?
Which option is more depressing?
Also I think we can safely omit the "basically" when calling him a fascist. He's not trying to hide it.
Vire
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Didn't you hear Trumps speech last night, he's all about the LBGT.....q, and Ivanka demanded equal pay for women.
jokes, relax
My point is, the social issues that I agree on are incredibly important - but that isn't the only aspect of a candidate unfortunately. I cannot over look the massive, horrible track record she has when it comes to economic and foreign policy issues that absolutely do not line up with my views. They are too important to me to simply ignore and cast my vote for a person who could potentially very much harm the vision I would like to see this country go in moving forward.
Which is why I will vote liberally when it comes to social and state level laws instead.
I will however continue to watch the political debates and make my final decision once the election rolls around.
Yes it is when you call yourself a 'progressive' or 'ive been a democrat my entire life'
Unless you have been lying, you are self-centered if you help Trump.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Check my posts. -___-
Aaronology
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And my favorite:
Meanwhile:
Works for me.
Guilt tripping people to vote for your candidate isn't cool.
Yaphett Kotto
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Thanks for this. Dude has some incredible credibility behind him. Don't see how this is a boring pick when his track record is like that. It's cool to see more color and gender on the ticket, but I can't argue against good policy and, for him, good will.
Sorry, I have the memory of a goldfish.
BrutishMrFish
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I'm pretty sure whoever you're talking to is less worried about Virginia than you are about Bernie...
...which is funny, given that Hillary has already won most of his supporters.
I don't either, not on principle, but that's precisely the point -- this time is different.
I actively supported people that disagreed with me voting for Romney four years ago and had healthy debates with them. I asked someone if they remembered to vote!
But you aren't voting anyway,correct?
Don't be complacent.
foodtaster
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If you're a "democrat" and believe in democracy, then you must also believe in a person's right to abstain from voting. Belief in anything else is just hypocrisy. Besides, not voting doesn't support Trump nor Hilary. You might be able to argue it does in a swing state, but even that is a stretch.
Spiritreaver
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Sometimes I wish I could read threads on a forum perceived to be conservative leaning and all the "not Hillary" posts are "not Trump" instead. Surely this must be happening somewhere.
Much like that extremely right-wing activist judge in disguise, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, friends with Antonin Scalia?
Cesare Borgia
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Amazing how liberal is now only defined by one's views on banking (and Israel). Kaine is as progressive a candidate you can be in Virginia and is to the left on most issues liberals care about.
FelixOrion
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"Trump mocks Kaine at rally speaking in fake Spanish, mostly food items."
A Link to the Past
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With the news of the Governor's felon voting rights thing dying, having Kaine on board sounds to me like a good way to make sure Virginia stays locked in.
Seriously, having someone like Kaine is great for Hillary. Biden is friends with Republicans too.
Seriously, having someone like Kaine is great for Hillary. Biden is friends with Republicans too.
Bounceounce
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Warren would overshadow Clinton though.
Fox Mulder
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Yeah, if Hillary is such a lock, why care so much about the people that hate both and don't want to vote.
You do you.
History proved them wrong hard on that ep.
If they want to keep talking about how they dont want to vote, ill keep talking about how they are self-centered.
Ivory Towering about the election and being proud at not voting isn't cool, especially if they pretend they are for 'progressive' ideas.
Thanks for this.
Wafflecakes
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Being a fool who hurts the causes you pretend to support isn't cool either.
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