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[ShadowNate]

Last time they had a big strike shows it had a significant impact on shows and films. Episodes were delayed, seasons cut (really) short or ended with huge loose threads never to be picked up no, somes plots devolved to shit.
It probably impacted the "make it up as you go along" ones more, and the action based films that one wouldn't expect writing would be that important for -- until we saw what it was like when writers went on strike.

I think the most clever move, if affordable, is to suspend production and wait for the strike to end, which means at lest some of the writers' demands met.

But, purely from an observer perspective, it is interesting to see how these days the strike would affect things. The shows of course are not going to become better, and many will pause, but for the ones that keep churning episodes... will it be a noticeable difference from the crap they typically put out? Like will they be *noticeably* worse when they were in majority already too derivative and prioritizing agenda pushing over impactful stories?

 

[DeafTourette]

No kidding. From that link

• Week-to-week, WGA staff writer minimum: $5,069/week
• This number goes down the more weeks of guaranteed work you have to a WGA minimum of $3,964/week
• Network prime time bible: $60,828
• Under 30-min "network prime time" story & teleplay: $27,000
• Under 60-min "network prime time" story & teleplay: $39,858
• Under 30-min "other than network prime time" story & teleplay: $15,903
• Under 60-min "other than network prime time" story & teleplay: $28,907
• High budget basic cable 1-hr drama story & teleplay: $30,780

So 4k+ PER WEEK minimum? Sure, the gig may only last 10-12 weeks or whatever but then you got 40 "free weeks" to do your own thing, get a normie job, or maybe hustle for another writing gig. JFC.

Grasping for more money will just reduce the number of projects or # writers per project. So they will earn a little more but work much less. Progress???

I do agree that getting a 3 cent check is just insulting. The accountant charged $25 to figure it out and the printed check, envelope, and stamp cost $5 to send

You forgot about all the other people they have to pay, like union dues, agent pay, taxes, etc. They don't keep all of that to themselves

 

[Nobody_Important]

No kidding. From that link

• Week-to-week, WGA staff writer minimum: $5,069/week
• This number goes down the more weeks of guaranteed work you have to a WGA minimum of $3,964/week
• Network prime time bible: $60,828
• Under 30-min "network prime time" story & teleplay: $27,000
• Under 60-min "network prime time" story & teleplay: $39,858
• Under 30-min "other than network prime time" story & teleplay: $15,903
• Under 60-min "other than network prime time" story & teleplay: $28,907
• High budget basic cable 1-hr drama story & teleplay: $30,780

So 4k+ PER WEEK minimum? Sure, the gig may only last 10-12 weeks or whatever but then you got 40 "free weeks" to do your own thing, get a normie job, or maybe hustle for another writing gig. JFC.

Grasping for more money will just reduce the number of projects or # writers per project. So they will earn a little more but work much less. Progress???

I do agree that getting a 3 cent check is just insulting. The accountant charged $25 to figure it out and the printed check, envelope, and stamp cost $5 to send

This is such a shortsighted reduction and cherry picking that I legitimately no troll don't even know where to start. You act like these people do this as a side gig or some shit. Its mindboggling.


I need to come back to this.

You forgot about all the other people they have to pay, like union dues, agent pay, taxes, etc. They don't keep all of that to themselves

This is where I would start though. That also doesn't include medical, dental, and any other work related expenses that the studios don't cover.

 

[DeafTourette]

This is such a shortsighted reduction and cherry picking that I legitimately no troll don't even know where to start. You act like these people do this as a side gig or some shit. Its mindboggling.


I need to come back to this.


This is where I would start though. That also doesn't include medical, dental, and any other work related expenses that the studios don't cover.

I forgot the most important... Cost of living. Most of them live in LA/Hollywood or NYC... Where cost of living is HIGH!

 

[Nobody_Important]

I forgot the most important... Cost of living. Most of them live in LA/Hollywood or NYC... Where cost of living is HIGH!

EXACTLY. forgot about that.


Bruh you got 20 bucks and a handy. You should be good for 7months right?

 

[jason10mm]

You forgot about all the other people they have to pay, like union dues, agent pay, taxes, etc. They don't keep all of that to themselves

Oh wait, they have BILLS?!?

OH.
MY.
GAWD.

dude, we ALL gots bills. If you are pulling 4K MINIMUM per week of work then just do retail when not writing to bridge the gap and maybe not spend so much on hookers and blow. I think they will make it.

 

[jason10mm]

This is such a shortsighted reduction and cherry picking that I legitimately no troll don't even know where to start. You act like these people do this as a side gig or some shit. Its mindboggling.

If they are not working 6+ months a year then it IS a side gig! If these writers think they should be able to scribble down a few scenes for a month and then rest comfortably for the rest of the year then perhaps it's their EXPECTATIONS that need to go on strike.

In the "old days" there probably was a certain seasonality to almost all TV writing with a summer break type thing, much like a teacher. These days I bet various productions are going on year round so the only reason to NOT work is because you don't want to or you aren't good enough to get another job in the first place.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh wait, they have BILLS?!?

OH.
MY.
GAWD.

dude, we ALL gots bills. If you are pulling 4K MINIMUM per week of work then just do retail when not writing to bridge the gap and maybe not spend so much on hookers and blow. I think they will make it.

Well, they also have agent's fees, which are 15% minimum, so your 4k a week is already down to $3400. The taxes'll fuck 'em for another 300/400, so that's down to $3100-3000.

So, what's that? $36000-37000 for the whole 12 weeks work?

Oh, and then I forgot the US is a third world country when it comes to healthcare, so I guess they're probably paying seven hundred bucks a month for that? Down to like... 34000.

Cost of living sites put living in LA at a stonking 3600 a month plus. If your writer can't find other work, their wages won't cover that.I know your answer to that would be they should go out and get a bar job, or something... but that's no way to run an industry if you want it healthy. And given the gigantic profits the studios are making, it's perfectly reasonable for the writers to expect a pay level that allows them to at least live comfortably in the place where their industry exists.

I wish the quality of writing in Hollywood was much higher, but I'm not going to wish the entire screen writing industry is paid dogshit because of it.

 

[mopspear]

I can't stand to watch any TV and most movies anymore. I'll watch a butt load of YouTube though and channels made by just some guy have been making better content than anything I remember enjoying pre-whenever I couldn't stand TV anymore.

 

[YCoCg]

So question for those of you who are "pro" AI, you also seem to be the type who hate Marvel MCU stuff, ...why do you think the AI will be better when it will spit out the most generic thing possible?

 

[Yoda]

"The Writing" is so bad in most content now am I going to notice? Wonder if any studio will try using ChatGPT lol.

 

[jason10mm]

So question for those of you who are "pro" AI, you also seem to be the type who hate Marvel MCU stuff, ...why do you think the AI will be better when it will spit out the most generic thing possible?

Well, if I could put in "Chuck Norris fights John Wayne over who gets to marry Ana de Armas to become ruler of a kingdom of mechanical dinosaurs under threat of invasion by big titted harpies and lusty mermaids that look like prime Jenny Mccarthy and Erica Eleniak with stunt work in the style of The Raid and a bit of The Five Elemental Ninjas" and get something even REMOTELY coherent, I'd call it a win

 

[balls of snow]

I'm actually looking for a good show to watch. What are some recent shows with good writing that you would recommend?

Mr Robot. Just excellent.

 

[balls of snow]

Also hollywood in freefall makes way for more korean series to be instant sensations like Squid Game especially on streaming.

 

[Blade2.0]

I mean capitalism already limits what you are allowed to write, anyways. If no one is getting paid, it ain't getting made.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well, they also have agent's fees, which are 15% minimum, so your 4k a week is already down to $3400. The taxes'll fuck 'em for another 300/400, so that's down to $3100-3000.

So, what's that? $36000-37000 for the whole 12 weeks work?

Oh, and then I forgot the US is a third world country when it comes to healthcare, so I guess they're probably paying seven hundred bucks a month for that? Down to like... 34000.

Cost of living sites put living in LA at a stonking 3600 a month plus. If your writer can't find other work, their wages won't cover that.I know your answer to that would be they should go out and get a bar job, or something... but that's no way to run an industry if you want it healthy. And given the gigantic profits the studios are making, it's perfectly reasonable for the writers to expect a pay level that allows them to at least live comfortably in the place where their industry exists.

I wish the quality of writing in Hollywood was much higher, but I'm not going to wish the entire screen writing industry is paid dogshit because of it.

Guess what? We all pay taxes. And there's shitloads of people who also live in expensive cities like LA, NY, Toronto or Vancouver. If lots of other people can make it, Im sure someone making $4000/wk can too. Thats more than I make and I manage people in a department and have to slog it as a FT worker 52 weeks like most people employed.

And the rates shown and discussed are bottom of the barrel. 12 weeks and the MINIMUM rate which is around $4,000/wk.

Lets say someone works 30 weeks at $5,000? That's $150,000. Doesn't look too bad to me. And they got 22 weeks off.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So question for those of you who are "pro" AI, you also seem to be the type who hate Marvel MCU stuff, ...why do you think the AI will be better when it will spit out the most generic thing possible?

Given the scripts of superhero movies, I dont think ChatAI can do much worse.

There's nobody on Earth who goes to see Avengers or THOR for award winning scripts or dialogue. It's all about awesome superpowers, CGI FX and good looking actors like Scarlett Johanson, and the guys who play Captain America and THOR.

I would bet all the money I have if the scripts were better written, but all the current actors were replaced by nobodies, gate receipts would drop.

Let's not pretend TV and movies are all top notch scripts that can only trend down with AI. The vast majority of content for 50 years isnt anything special since most stuff is made for casual viewers. Not high brow language experts.

The most popular TV shows the past 20 years are reality TV using normal people doing and saying dumb shit on their own. And the panels do some quips. So it goes to show that even content that can have the least professional writing and script can be better than content with full production values. Which means entertainment can be valued more than shows jam packed with wrtiters guild content form beginning to end.

I bet weird stuff like viewers staring at "The 800 lb man" on TLC groaning and eating all episode gets more viewers than Masterpiece Theatre.

 

[DeafTourette]

The most popular show on streaming right now is Yellowstone. A scripted show starring Kevin Costner. It averages almost 16million viewers per week. It's the most watched show on all TV.

 

[FunkMiller]

Guess what? We all pay taxes. And there's shitloads of people who also live in expensive cities like LA, NY, Toronto or Vancouver. If lots of other people can make it, Im sure someone making $4000/wk can too. Thats more than I make and I manage people in a department and have to slog it as a FT worker 52 weeks like most people employed.

And the rates shown and discussed are bottom of the barrel. 12 weeks and the MINIMUM rate which is around $4,000/wk.

Lets say someone works 30 weeks at $5,000? That's $150,000. Doesn't look too bad to me. And they got 22 weeks off.

It’s already been pointed out that writers don’t have regular monthly pay, and that some of them get a lot less than you’re claiming.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It’s already been pointed out that writers don’t have regular monthly pay, and that some of them get a lot less than you’re claiming.

So the WGA wage charts are lies and writers get paid way less per week or show?

As for regular pay schedules like most people work with PT or FT schedules, that's too bad. Get a job that has FT hours and stability and they wont have to worry.

I've known FT office coworkers who've done weekend jobs (landscaping and deck building all spring and summer) making an extra grand on the side per project. Cant be that hard to make supplemental income. And these guys had normal mon-fri jobs. If office dudes can figure out how to do blue collar work while also working FT, anyone can if they are only working lets say 6 months a year. And where I live, my buddies dont do it during fall or winter seasons. Places like California where a lot of these Hollywood kinds of people live should have good year round weather do to side gigs. If sales and marketing people can figure out how to do patio stones and use a saw to cut wood for decks, Im sure writers arent that dumb they dont know how to.

I get it. People want awesome FT pay at PT hours. Not how life works.

 

[DeafTourette]

Writing is NOT easy... Being creative and writing dialogue is HARD!

 

[jason10mm]

The most popular show on streaming right now is Yellowstone. A scripted show starring Kevin Costner. It averages almost 16million viewers per week. It's the most watched show on all TV.

Yeah, and I think damn near the entire thing is written by Taylor Sheriden. IMDB lists very few other writers. And that dude directs, produces, and generates numerous spin offs. I suspect he is RICH, bordering on Chris Rock's notion of WEALTH.

I don't think that guy stays up late sweating AI taking his jerb.

 

[BadBurger]

The comments reveal more of how the studios are taking advantage of creators. This is just sad.

 

[Gamerfan81]

So question for those of you who are "pro" AI, you also seem to be the type who hate Marvel MCU stuff, ...why do you think the AI will be better when it will spit out the most generic thing possible?

I'm pro technology. The nerve of this union trying to get it banned for one sector. While technology as it advances can make one sector obsolete, it can open up other avenues to make money.

Imagine if the carriage makers and horse breeders got together and lobbied the US federal government to banned something called the horseless carriage (automobiles) in the late 19th century because it looked like a threat to them.

Imagine if the railway industry and shipping industry lobbied the US government to start banning something called the airplane after the success of the Wright brothers because it might put their industry out of business.

Imagine if the telegraph companies began lobbying to ban the telephone because it looked like a threat to their business.

Imagine if the brick and mortar stores lobbied the US government in the mid 90s as something called the internet was becoming popular to banned online commerce because it was a threat to their business.


I can go on and on.

 

[YCoCg]

I'm pro technology. The nerve of this union trying to get it banned for one sector.

This isn't the only sector trying to get it banned btw, voice actor unions want it banned because companies are now trying to claim the rights of a voice actors voice to put into an AI and have that read out lines instead. The visual arts sector is also trying to get it banned or at least not to be used beyond the concept stage as it will severely reduce the roles of artists only being in future just for corrections.

To put it another way, what if YOUR job was replaced by an AI? How would YOU feel then knowing you'd just be fired or have your salary reduced by a large amount and being told if you don't like it then just quit.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm pro technology. The nerve of this union trying to get it banned for one sector. While technology as it advances can make one sector obsolete, it can open up other avenues to make money.

Imagine if the carriage makers and horse breeders got together and lobbied the US federal government to banned something called the horseless carriage (automobiles) in the late 19th century because it looked like a threat to them.

Imagine if the railway industry and shipping industry lobbied the US government to start banning something called the airplane after the success of the Wright brothers because it might put their industry out of business.

Imagine if the telegraph companies began lobbying to ban the telephone because it looked like a threat to their business.

Imagine if the brick and mortar stores lobbied the US government in the mid 90s as something called the internet was becoming popular to banned online commerce because it was a threat to their business.


I can go on and on.

Yup.

People wanting ultra job security are just self-serving. Hey, it's natural for people to hope the gravy train keeps coming in even though there might be something or someone better than them that can do a better job.

I go laid off 15 years ago. Big deal. Got another job.

One of the roles in my first office job was doing garbagy MS Access database creation. Didnt even know what I really doing as I learned it on the job doing the best I can. At some point in my career all that stopped as companies paid money to handle a lot of this external sourced data compilation hiring companies to do it. What a relief. And it's been like that at every job and company I've done since way back. Nobody jr analysts slog it. Its all done for them. And now we just churn out data reports and analyze it which is way more valuable than every company having teams of data compilers 20+ years ago. Just imagine how it was before MS Office. You'd get paper pushers doing mainframe kind of shit. What a waste of time and manpower but thats what it was back then.

Now, companies cut the fat of admin staff and sink it into value added roles that can use their head to make decisions instead of people like me sitting there for hours tabulating and fixing data for hours so it can uniformly come out of MS Access.

If you got a brain, companies will hire you at good wages. If you dont, then hey you'll eventually be phased out like horse and buggy. Your choice. I adapted.

 

[BadBurger]

I'm pro technology. The nerve of this union trying to get it banned for one sector. While technology as it advances can make one sector obsolete, it can open up other avenues to make money.

Imagine if the carriage makers and horse breeders got together and lobbied the US federal government to banned something called the horseless carriage (automobiles) in the late 19th century because it looked like a threat to them.

Imagine if the railway industry and shipping industry lobbied the US government to start banning something called the airplane after the success of the Wright brothers because it might put their industry out of business.

Imagine if the telegraph companies began lobbying to ban the telephone because it looked like a threat to their business.

Imagine if the brick and mortar stores lobbied the US government in the mid 90s as something called the internet was becoming popular to banned online commerce because it was a threat to their business.


I can go on and on.

Any student of history can point out that every beneficial technological advancement had backwards campaigns to retard their progress. Even electricity.

The difference is that those old advances actually benefited mankind. AI, on the other hand, is mostly a collection of bumbling attempts to replace actual human labor with very poor replacements to drive up stock prices for a handful of companies in the short term. More dumb ass NFT type shit. Especially in the creative realm. I mean, it's cartoonishly awful. Yea a decent AI could save someone time writing like a powershell script or something, or making a laughably bad piece of art, but let's stop pretending that it's going to replace human beings any time soon.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Any student of history can point out that every beneficial technological advancement had backwards campaigns to retard their progress. Even electricity.

The difference is that those old advances actually benefited mankind. AI, on the other hand, is mostly a collection of bumbling attempts to replace actual human labor with very poor replacements to drive up stock prices for a handful of companies in the short term. More dumb ass NFT type shit. Especially in the creative realm. I mean, it's cartoonishly awful. Yea a decent AI could save someone time writing like a powershell script or something, or making a laughably bad piece of art, but let's stop pretending that it's going to replace human beings any time soon.

And there you go.

If AI scripts are that bad, then no media company is going to bother using it even if free. They'll stick to human made stories.

Thats absolutely no different than any company paying high wages for roles when new grads out of school will work at a fraction of the price. If companies were so profit orientated cutting costs as much as possible then every corporation would be filled with people making $20/hr tops.

But they dont.

They'll hire dirt cheap for roles that only need dirt cheap workers. But pay good money to keep around valuable workers even if their wages are multiple times more.

 

[RoboFu]

I can write any modern day show or movie. They are all the same.. where do I sign up?

 

[ipukespiders]

I can't stand to watch any TV and most movies anymore. I'll watch a butt load of YouTube though and channels made by just some guy have been making better content than anything I remember enjoying pre-whenever I couldn't stand TV anymore.

Agreed. I'll spend 45 mins watching some dude troubleshooting an old 386 motherboard. "We've got some corrosion from where the clock battery leaked. Let's clean that up with some IPA."

 

[gothmog]

Oh God .... it was to be expected but still it's a terrifying prospect: Hollywood wants to start using AI to write movies and tv series... If you feed an AI program millions of hours of shit programming, that AI's not going to produce original masterpieces but only the most generic of plots we've seen millions of times written by a computer program that doesn't understand the human experience but can only mimic us.

Have you looked at what we're being served up these days? The AI might be a refreshing alternative to endless reality shows and sitcoms.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Agreed. I'll spend 45 mins watching some dude troubleshooting an old 386 motherboard. "We've got some corrosion from where the clock battery leaked. Let's clean that up with some IPA."

I've watched hours of those videos where a guy has some worn out rusty tool (like a WWII wrench) and spends the entire video showing him make it look like new. A lot of those fun handyman kinds of videos doesn't even have the guy narrating it. It's pure video. I guess the guys don't like talking or teaching what they are doing. They just upload clips of him cleaning it, lathing it, removing rust, redoing screw holes etc...

As crazy as it seems, these zero-commentary videos are entertaining . And I'm not even a handy guy myself. But it's more fun to watch than a lot of Hollywood content out there for me. And it cost the user almost $0 to do.

 

[gothmog]

This isn't the only sector trying to get it banned btw, voice actor unions want it banned because companies are now trying to claim the rights of a voice actors voice to put into an AI and have that read out lines instead. The visual arts sector is also trying to get it banned or at least not to be used beyond the concept stage as it will severely reduce the roles of artists only being in future just for corrections.

To put it another way, what if YOUR job was replaced by an AI? How would YOU feel then knowing you'd just be fired or have your salary reduced by a large amount and being told if you don't like it then just quit.

I'm in tech. My job is constantly being displaced by automation. I have to continually change my skills and day to day to keep up. I feel okay with it because progress cannot be stopped. If we don't do it someone else will put us out of business replacing our whole business model with cheaper, faster, and more reliable technology.

I feel bad for people like voice actors but I'm not sure what you can do? The technology just isn't going to stop because voice actors can't pivot.

 

[YCoCg]

I feel bad for people like voice actors but I'm not sure what you can do? The technology just isn't going to stop because voice actors can't pivot.

Well what they're trying to do is get contracts to state they can't use their voice to train AI's which is what companies are asking for, they're literally asking people to train the thing that will take their job, you can see why they'd be pissed off in that case.

 

[Gamerfan81]

Yup.

People wanting ultra job security are just self-serving. Hey, it's natural for people to hope the gravy train keeps coming in even though there might be something or someone better than them that can do a better job.

I go laid off 15 years ago. Big deal. Got another job.

One of the roles in my first office job was doing garbagy MS Access database creation. Didnt even know what I really doing as I learned it on the job doing the best I can. At some point in my career all that stopped as companies paid money to handle a lot of this external sourced data compilation hiring companies to do it. What a relief. And it's been like that at every job and company I've done since way back. Nobody jr analysts slog it. Its all done for them. And now we just churn out data reports and analyze it which is way more valuable than every company having teams of data compilers 20+ years ago. Just imagine how it was before MS Office. You'd get paper pushers doing mainframe kind of shit. What a waste of time and manpower but thats what it was back then.

Now, companies cut the fat of admin staff and sink it into value added roles that can use their head to make decisions instead of people like me sitting there for hours tabulating and fixing data for hours so it can uniformly come out of MS Access.

If you got a brain, companies will hire you at good wages. If you dont, then hey you'll eventually be phased out like horse and buggy. Your choice. I adapted.

I embrace technology, the people that don't will be left behind.

Even in a few short years, technology changes rapidly for a lot of industries.

For example, I went off to college in 1999 as the internet was taking off worldwide. You still had to use the phone to register for classes. The database for the university library was still in its infancy. I had to drop out after the fall 2001 semester because of family matters/problems. Came back and re-enrolled in my university in 2006, now students started registering and picking out their classes on the school's website and portal. The entire school's library catalog was now online and you can access the database from home. You didn't even have to visit the school's library and be familiar with the Dewey Decimal system. You can research and write out your essay with peer-reviewed sources without physically being at the library. In 5 short years registering and enrolling for classes at a university completely changes along with access to the library. Everything is easier and more convenient.

Embrace technology and update/adapt your skills, or you will be obsolete.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I embrace technology, the people that don't will be left behind.

Even in a few short years, technology changes rapidly for a lot of industries.

For example, I went off to college in 1999 as the internet was taking off worldwide. You still had to use the phone to register for classes. The database for the university library was still in its infancy. I had to drop out after the fall 2001 semester because of family matters/problems. Came back and re-enrolled in my university in 2006, now students started registering and picking out their classes on the school's website and portal. The entire school's library catalog was now online and you can access the database from home. You didn't even have to visit the school's library and be familiar with the Dewey Decimal system. You can research and write out your essay with peer-reviewed sources without physically being at the library. In 5 short years registering and enrolling for classes at a university completely changes along with access to the library. Everything is easier and more convenient.

Embrace technology and update/adapt your skills, or you will be obsolete.

Creative types seem afraid of AI doing their text or art.

But we'll see how it goes.

Dont be surprised if lots of them use AI themselves to get the ball rolling before taking over to finish it. I have a hard time believing all the artsy people are tried and true doing their work from scratch every time in the future when AI really takes off. Right now it seems in its infancy of AI websites and people goofing around, but when it becomes a mainstay we'll see how pure they are in their creations vs. how much AI help they got.

 

[gothmog]

Well what they're trying to do is get contracts to state they can't use their voice to train AI's which is what companies are asking for, they're literally asking people to train the thing that will take their job, you can see why they'd be pissed off in that case.

I'm not sure how they could stop them. Popular voices are going to be all over the internet even if they are parodies. If anything, these machines will learn popular voices just by crawling video sites like YouTube.

 

[DeafTourette]

I can write any modern day show or movie. They are all the same.. where do I sign up?

No. You can't. If you're not a creative writer, you can't do that job. Plus you have to know how to structure and write a screenplay.

Like I said, this ish is NOT easy. Especially if you want to write something good like Yellowstone.

 

[Gamerfan81]

Creative types seem afraid of AI doing their text or art.

But we'll see how it goes.

Dont be surprised if lots of them use AI themselves to get the ball rolling before taking over to finish it. I have a hard time believing all the artsy people are tried and true doing their work from scratch every time in the future when AI really takes off. Right now it seems in its infancy of AI websites and people goofing around, but when it becomes a mainstay we'll see how pure they are in their creations vs. how much AI help they got.

Speaking of creative types. Stan Winston, famous for his special effects in Hollywood movies. He's worked on T1, T2, Jurassic Park, Predator, Aliens, The Thing, and won multiple Oscars for special effects and makeup. You know what he said about new technology like CGI and digital? He embraced it. He passed away in 2008.

You either adapt or become obsolete.

 

[DeafTourette]

Speaking of creative types. Stan Winston, famous for his special effects in Hollywood movies. He's worked on T1, T2, Jurassic Park, Predator, Aliens, The Thing, and won multiple Oscars for special effects and makeup. You know what he said about new technology like CGI and digital? He embraced it. He passed away in 2008.

You either adapt or become obsolete.

Ok... So how does a writer work with AI and still get paid a living wage?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ok... So how does a writer work with AI and still get paid a living wage?

I'll take it to a more extreme scenario that AI totally replaced a writer 100%.

How does anyone who got fired from any job or replaced by automation keep making a living to get through life?

I hope your answer isn't to do nothing and live off welfare rest of his life.

 

[DeafTourette]

I'll take it to a more extreme scenario that AI totally replaced a writer 100%.

How does anyone who got fired from any job or replaced by automation keep making a living to get through life?

I hope your answer isn't to do nothing and live off welfare rest of his life.

Ok I resent that shit right there at the end. I'm all the way pissed off. I can't answer right now because that just comes across a certain way.

 

[Gamerfan81]

Ok... So how does a writer work with AI and still get paid a living wage?

Go look at my Stan Winston post and re-read it again.

To further expound on that post, Stan Winston started with practical effects then embraced the use of CGI and digital. He had no problem with making a living.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ok I resent that shit right there at the end. I'm all the way pissed off. I can't answer right now because that just comes across a certain way.

Youre pissed off the correct answer is to find another job?

Believe it or not. Just because people get job crunched due to technology or downsized (been there, done that) doesn't mean they cant find employment elsewhere to pay the bills.

I know guys who changed careers and it wasnt even due to being fired or automation. They did it because they had enough of the office grind and both (by pure coincidence) went into the medical field. One guy even went back to school for 4 years to get a new degree. Things change.

How can you expect the world to stay status quo forever where everyone says to the world "Please progress. But if it involves messing up my situation, then dont do it"?

 

[Lasha]

Guess what? We all pay taxes. And there's shitloads of people who also live in expensive cities like LA, NY, Toronto or Vancouver. If lots of other people can make it, Im sure someone making $4000/wk can too. Thats more than I make and I manage people in a department and have to slog it as a FT worker 52 weeks like most people employed.

And the rates shown and discussed are bottom of the barrel. 12 weeks and the MINIMUM rate which is around $4,000/wk.

Lets say someone works 30 weeks at $5,000? That's $150,000. Doesn't look too bad to me. And they got 22 weeks off.

Stop slogging and start selling scripts at WGA minimum.

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

Every year workers who get up at 4am and take the bus at 5am to go work at minimum wages in shops are being replaced by automation but oh no, poor creative artists, we can't let that happen.

 

[YCoCg]

Every year workers who get up at 4am and take the bus at 5am to go work at minimum wages in shops are being replaced by automation but oh no, poor creative artists, we can't let that happen.

If only there was something these workers could do instead of just complaining on the internet.

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

If only there was something these workers could do instead of just complaining on the internet.

If only they could afford internet

 

[BadBurger]

Every year workers who get up at 4am and take the bus at 5am to go work at minimum wages in shops are being replaced by automation but oh no, poor creative artists, we can't let that happen.

First, this isn't happening outside of choice niche positions in the energy industry and certainly not for rank and file workers. And they were earning far, far more than minimum wage. So lets not dally in the fictional.

We just lived through years of retail and service workers being called "essential" while given like a measly 10% raise. None of those jobs went anywhere, and in fact many companies are still struggling to fill them despite record low unemployment numbers.

Again lets discuss things as they actually are and not entertain make believe.

 

[YCoCg]

Again lets discuss things as they actually are and not entertain make believe.

But the tech bros can't do that, they just see anyone who isn't in tech as "beneath" them, if you don't support AI writing all of our future TV Shows and Movies then obviously you hate technology and don't want humanity to progress.