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Homeland - Season 4 - Sundays on Showtime
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metalslimer
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Unless the ISI is about to completely and openly betray the US I don't see how the situation is comparable.
Wait hold on, it got good? It was so boring I stopped watching it after coming back from PAX. So you mean I should watch more?
This is the best Homeland has been since S1.
It's definitely a more bombastic show now compared to S1, but that's hard to avoid seeing as there are far fewer civilians characters and it's set in a foreign, 'allied' country.
Leona Lewis
Banned
I just rewatched a couple S1 eps, and it's amazing how different the show has become. The writing is relentlessly self-serious, and the characters themselves have become personality vacuums (thank God for Director Lockhart and Ambassador Boyd for actually livening up the proceedings!)
Back in S1, Carrie (when she wasn't out of her fucking mind) was so comparatively soft-spoken and "small" whereas now she seems "100% on" at all times - she's lost all the dry sarcasm and humorous banter that made her kind of adorable, especially in her interactions with Saul.
I mean, just re-watch the episode "Representative Brody" for the above-mentioned personality difference, and to see how the show used to ratchet up the tension. The final scene has objectively fewer "stakes" than the prisoner exchange in the newest episode did, but seems so much more impactful because it really earned the shocking twist.
S1 was the anti-24 in that while unexpected things happened all the time, they didn't seem designed to string the viewer along. Again, the huge twist in "Representative Brody" happens ten minutes before the episode ends, and we have time to process it and breathe, while tonight's big swerve is just a cheap cliffhanger.
Best it's been since S1? Maybe. But it's not even close.
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Back in S1, Carrie (when she wasn't out of her fucking mind) was so comparatively soft-spoken and "small" whereas now she seems "100% on" at all times - she's lost all the dry sarcasm and humorous banter that made her kind of adorable, especially in her interactions with Saul.
I mean, just re-watch the episode "Representative Brody" for the above-mentioned personality difference, and to see how the show used to ratchet up the tension. The final scene has objectively fewer "stakes" than the prisoner exchange in the newest episode did, but seems so much more impactful because it really earned the shocking twist.
S1 was the anti-24 in that while unexpected things happened all the time, they didn't seem designed to string the viewer along. Again, the huge twist in "Representative Brody" happens ten minutes before the episode ends, and we have time to process it and breathe, while tonight's big swerve is just a cheap cliffhanger.
Best it's been since S1? Maybe. But it's not even close.
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SolidChamp
Banned
How do we not have a gif of Lockheart saying "What the fuck? What the fucking fuck???" yet?
We need that gif.
We need that gif.
Fried Food
Banned
Great episode, great show
markedbravado
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HA! What a shit ending. Damn, I want to drop this show so bad. I am almost getting there. I didn't sign up for 24. Leave it to Showtime to ruin every show they ever produce. Just waiting for The Affair to get silly. Typical Showtime.
Son of Sam
Banned
so far fetched but still entertaining episode
robertsan21
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I just want that ISI bitch to die! I hate her so much my insides are hurting.
Napoleonthechimp
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Dennis Boyd confirming who his contact was seems like a direct confirmation that the ISI deliberately betrayed the US government.
I have to imagine that these decisions were made by fanatical and corrupted parts of the Pakistani government, because otherwise they're completely fucking dumb for instigating open war with the USA by invading its sovereign soil (the embassy).
I have to imagine that these decisions were made by fanatical and corrupted parts of the Pakistani government, because otherwise they're completely fucking dumb for instigating open war with the USA by invading its sovereign soil (the embassy).
Cornballer
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a secret-boss
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Fuckkkkkkkkk again. Just caught up on last two episodes and was not expecting that ending. Really intense all around. The Ambassador has just been perfect the last two episodes, the closeups always revealing how incredibly stressful and pained the job is. Not to mention how dealing with the extracurricular activities of her husband weighs on her.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Quinn Time...
PLEASE WRITERS!!!! its Quinn TIME!!!!!
PLEASE WRITERS!!!! its Quinn TIME!!!!!
Fucking hell...Quinn has this shit on lockdown.
Word.
stn
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Quinn needs to go nuts next episode, some action is overdue. Also, Carrie sucks. I've never disliked a protagonist more on any show, which is a testament to the great acting of Claire Danes. Also, yeah, the show hasn't been very good since S1. Season 2 and 3 were both mostly drags, this one is coming along quite nicely.
Maintenance
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Guys, as much as I love Quinn, I think they will pull a reverse Jack Bauer on this, meaning that
At least Saul is alive, I guess.
EDIT: I'm wishing that
Quinn will save everyone and probably die in the end, or do something crazy and die in the end anyway.
At least Saul is alive, I guess.
Please stay, Mandy, you rule.
EDIT: I'm wishing that
they would kill Lockheart and put Saul back into CIA director, but the dude is just too fucked up to do that, I think.
Holy shit, my face seeing them in the cars:
I was extremely unprepared for this, even though I had in the back of my head that random post mentioning the embassy "must get hit" which seemed obvious.
The random CIA worker saying "Sounded like RPGs" was kind of weird though. Do you hear on the explosions that well? Especially if it's several blocks away. Took me out of the whole thing a little bit..
I was extremely unprepared for this, even though I had in the back of my head that random post mentioning the embassy "must get hit" which seemed obvious.
The random CIA worker saying "Sounded like RPGs" was kind of weird though. Do you hear on the explosions that well? Especially if it's several blocks away. Took me out of the whole thing a little bit..
Steelyuhas
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That was a great episode of 24.
I can't wait to see how Jack will infiltrate the white house after General Juma has seized control.
Yeah, I'm aboard this train again. This last episode jumped this to best show on tv right now. The suspense is what makes it so good.
Hopefully we get some Quinn action next episode, the wait will hopefully be worth it.
And some of the writing is stupid, but personally I don't mind, as long as they keep the twists and suspense coming.
And Lockhart lines this season, so good.
Hopefully we get some Quinn action next episode, the wait will hopefully be worth it.
And some of the writing is stupid, but personally I don't mind, as long as they keep the twists and suspense coming.
And Lockhart lines this season, so good.
Tricky I Shadow
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Dem last 5 minutes. WAT!? 
inconsistent episode, but the highs are better than anything the series has done since the fucking heyday of S1. the prisoner exchange was, rightfully, the fantastic set-piece the previous episodes have been setting it up to be but the ending was disappointing and the cornering of the ambassador's husband felt half-hearted and nothing the show hasn't done before. and Homeland—when it's on it's game—is too good to stoop to 24-level shit.
but I was definitely crying like a baby during Saul and Carrie's conversation. when done right, that dynamic is so fucking good—best episode of the series remains the one where she calls Saul a pussy in front of Mira all the way back in S1.
nah that speech was great. season two aside, homeland has always been very conscious (sometimes to a fault) of the consequences of character's actions. the whole show is about "who we are;" all the way back to S1, even with much lower stakes, it was about Carrie as a true believer, ends justifying means, etc. along with the Issa backstory, which is a remarkably cringeworthy and terribly executed flaw to an otherwise excellent season. just because she says it doesn't mean it's true; the show has said over and over that it's the "wrong" thing to do. but they're going to do it anyways.
but I was definitely crying like a baby during Saul and Carrie's conversation. when done right, that dynamic is so fucking good—best episode of the series remains the one where she calls Saul a pussy in front of Mira all the way back in S1.
nah that speech was great. season two aside, homeland has always been very conscious (sometimes to a fault) of the consequences of character's actions. the whole show is about "who we are;" all the way back to S1, even with much lower stakes, it was about Carrie as a true believer, ends justifying means, etc. along with the Issa backstory, which is a remarkably cringeworthy and terribly executed flaw to an otherwise excellent season. just because she says it doesn't mean it's true; the show has said over and over that it's the "wrong" thing to do. but they're going to do it anyways.
AngmarsKing701
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wow great episode. Just watched it. Very intense prisoner exchange. I kept thinking Carrie left Quinn back at HQ because she had a plan. Maybe that was what they wanted me to think.
And that 24 ending. Nice.
And that 24 ending. Nice.
Immortal Technique
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He's coming...
Criticism is fine though. Even I have problems with that ending but almost everything leading up to it was -- for myself -- exceptional TV.
You know he will somehow play a role in saving someone's life or something, because TV.
At least he finally admitted something. I was going to really hate him if the denial dialogue between him and the rest of the cast continued past this episode.
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