CassidyIzABeast
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Damn ya'll throwing the cape on for something they do with every movie.
Honest Trailers - Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
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AlexFlame116
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I feel like I'm going to go down a long winding path that I'm going to severely regret but, what was wrong with RLM's The Force Awakens review?
What did he mean by this?
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I think they meant the Plinkett review. Hella nitpickey
TheCowboyPoet
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Those were some weak criticisms but I guess that's all you can do against the greatest Star Wars movie.
I think that line was more about the fact that they'll all be dead by the end of this film.
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Plinkett is RLM, is it not?
I'm gunna PM about the Plinkett review because I don't wanna derail.
Vincent Alexander
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I think we can all agree that Rogue One is only better than Attack of the Clones...until the Vader hallway scene. Then it becomes the best Star Wars movie.
I think Rogue One has become the new heavily divisive Star Wars film. There are a ton who love the hell out of it and a ton who hate it. I wasted a week away in the spoiler thread debating and discussing the film. It got heated many a time.
What makes it so great aside from being a fanservice wank fest?
Lots of people strolled into the R1 OT with the same "criticism" on display in this video. Honest trailers, from what I've seen, takes all the worst kinds of criticism and compiles it into one video. Sure, it's jokey, but there is a reality behind it. Literally every joke there has been retold as criticism on this very board. Though if you've been living under a rock for the last four months I suppose it would be a lot funnier.
It's usually some version of.. This is a great remake of ANH - oh wait, it's actually EP7! Har har
Basically if Bronx-Man wrote a review of TFA.
It's more of just an eye roll for me. What if.. Oh I don't know.. They came up with their own material?
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
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Why should they? Episode 7 didn't.
Bu-dum TISH?
Character depth isn't proper criticism?
bananafactory
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It's just a jokey video
There's no need to be upset.
There's no need to be upset.
I shouldn't have said all of the criticism is bad or unjustified. There is a lot to criticize with R1. Character depth is proper criticism. I just think a lot of that validity gets overshadowed by the more shallow components.
In short.. The jokes are old. I'd laugh if they had new material but these videos usually serve as a greatest hits more than anything. TFA review was like that. Moana was like that too.
Like I said I'd probably laugh if I hadn't heard it all multiple times, in various forms, since December.
Seldomly Jambon
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Usually love honest trailers but thought this one was pretty weak sauce. Bland.
ryutaro's mama
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I actually didn't like it the first time but now I do, after seeing it on video a couple times. Funny how so many people react differently to this stuff.
I'm with Jenny Nicholson in thinking that the Darth Vader sequence, while it might be cool taken in isolation, was an utterly awful way to end a movie about the bravery and self sacrifice of a ragtag band of rebels resisting a facist empire. Imagine if at end of Saving Private Ryan, as Private Ryan is... saved, an enormous Nazi dude pops up out of nowhere and starts slaughtering GIs en masse to awesome music.
Michael F. Assbender
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I had the same thought about it as I watched it. It was such an obvious attempt to save an otherwise meh film with a massive display of the stuff fanboy wet dreams are made of.
The scene was cool as fuck, but had no real business being there. If anything, put it somewhere in the beginning of the film so the audience is reminded what the Rebels are fighting against and why they're going to such lengths to steal those plans (although the scene where Forest Whitaker pointlessly died probably did a better job conveying the threat of the Empire than Vader throwing soldiers around).
Yup this is where I'm at too. Far above any of the PT but below Jedi (can't use this as a reference for ROTJ for much longer).
Kinda seems like the perfect way to end a movie about bravery and self sacrifice by a ragtag group of rebels fighting an overwhelming oppressive force. The rebels in that hallway all gave their lives just to delay what's almost like an in-universe embodiment of death long enough to get that little data card to Leia. Same as the rebels on the surface.
For me, personally, the flaws of RO were all wiped out by the finale (even though I was fine with the level of character development shown). It was the only time in the entire Star Wars series where the war took on a real feeling of desperation. There had been plenty of insurmountable odds in the series, but it never had that aspect of 'throwing all we have against the wall, just hoping to crack it a little' that RO imparted.
Saw a pre-screening and was shocked at how much I disliked it. Had a difficult time avoiding discussion to not cloud the hype my friends held when they bombarded me for my opinion. Didn't expect the wave of support and love it got actually when the general audiences eventually saw it. Film had a great concept, really poor execution.
I never understood the argument "Vader takes away from the sacrifice of the rebels". All it does is remind the audience of what they're all up against, and it sets the tone for the OT. Without the rogue one crew, the plans never make it to the ship. How does Vader murdering a dozen rebels take away from that sacrifice?
I don't get it
I don't get it
But the film still ended with Vader failing, sacrifices were made, but the plan still succeeded despite even the attempt of the most threatening presence in the Empire. It also solidifed the Leia scene and her lines of hope being rather integral to those sacrifices against all odds.
In your example, you are ignoring the actual success of both films.
(And this is coming from someone that felt Rogue One was terrible).
Between the legions of stormtroopers, walkers, and Star Destroyers, Darth Vader is largely irrelevant with regards to demonstrating the threat of the empire.
If they absolutely had to have a "Darth Vader slaughters redshirts" scene, they would have been been better served by putting Jyn at the end of those rebels. Her mission is complete, and in the face of a unstoppable juggernaut that has killed all of her compatriots, she spits in his face and triggers a thermal detonator, catching him in the blast and showing that even an ordinary woman can defy a Sith Lord. It would be a much better fate for the hero than having her die passively.
(Plus, it "explains" why Darth Vader is a wheezy, asthmatic crippled old man in ANH instead of the unstoppable god of war he is in Rogue One. He just tanked a grenade to the face!)
The Scollard
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I disliked Rogue One from the first time I saw it, so believe me, people turning on the move isn't some recent thing. The movie was so stuffed with fanservice that it took away from the original parts that could have been good. One of the best examples of this involves the villains; it decides to stuff Vader and Tarkin in there, which takes away from Krennic, who I wanted to like since I think Mendelsohn is a good actor and could have been a fantastic villain.
Apart from the opening scene, Krennic does basically nothing else in the movie. Tarkin is the one who orders Jedha destroyed. He goes to Vader, who proceeds to tell him a Dad joke in a scene that accomplishes nothing. On the rain planet, he goes to kill Galen, who instead is killed by a rebel attack, and then on Scarif, he's basically just watching as the heroes steal the plans until he decides to try and shoot Jyn (who he's never met before in the film and hasn't seen since her childhood). It's a waste of what could have been a good character.
Also, I don't see why the Death Star's weakness is a plot hole. It doesn't contradict anything, and it makes sense that on such a big project, there will be some parts overlooked. I always assumed it was just a mistake the Empire either didn't know about, or did, but thought that since it was so small, it could never be used against them. And if any of you are thinking that that would be unrealistic, let me turn your attention to another evil empire and it's superweapon: Nazi Germany and the battleship Bismarck. The Bismarck was one of the strongest ships of the era; in its first battle, it sunk the HMS Hood with one shot. However, because Hitler wanted it being used in the war, it was rushed through its tests, and was put out to sea despite having an issue where the rudder would jam. That weakness proved to be its undoing when the rudder was stuck by a torpedo from an Allied plane (sound familiar?) causing it to jam and leaving it unable to maneuver and escape from a large Allied attack which ended with its sinking. So I don't see why a battlestation like the Death Star having a small, barely accessible weakness like that is a plot hole.
Apart from the opening scene, Krennic does basically nothing else in the movie. Tarkin is the one who orders Jedha destroyed. He goes to Vader, who proceeds to tell him a Dad joke in a scene that accomplishes nothing. On the rain planet, he goes to kill Galen, who instead is killed by a rebel attack, and then on Scarif, he's basically just watching as the heroes steal the plans until he decides to try and shoot Jyn (who he's never met before in the film and hasn't seen since her childhood). It's a waste of what could have been a good character.
Also, I don't see why the Death Star's weakness is a plot hole. It doesn't contradict anything, and it makes sense that on such a big project, there will be some parts overlooked. I always assumed it was just a mistake the Empire either didn't know about, or did, but thought that since it was so small, it could never be used against them. And if any of you are thinking that that would be unrealistic, let me turn your attention to another evil empire and it's superweapon: Nazi Germany and the battleship Bismarck. The Bismarck was one of the strongest ships of the era; in its first battle, it sunk the HMS Hood with one shot. However, because Hitler wanted it being used in the war, it was rushed through its tests, and was put out to sea despite having an issue where the rudder would jam. That weakness proved to be its undoing when the rudder was stuck by a torpedo from an Allied plane (sound familiar?) causing it to jam and leaving it unable to maneuver and escape from a large Allied attack which ended with its sinking. So I don't see why a battlestation like the Death Star having a small, barely accessible weakness like that is a plot hole.
Principate
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But that's explained in the prequel trilogy...
Michael F. Assbender
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The problem with killing Jyn that way, IMO, would be that it takes away from the importance of her mission. She had to die completing her mission (if she had to die at all) in order to display the fact that this mission was more important than any one life.
To have her butchered by Jason Vor--I mean, Darth Vader at the end (or blow herself up to prevent being butchered) would've looked even more like a pointless body count addition than the Vader scene already did. Like, "Whew! I barely made it through my mission, but I did it. I saved countless lives and I'm a hero for *VWOOM*--Was that a lightsaber? Oh no! Oh god no! My blood! I taste my own blood! I was so close to surviving! Why are you--AIEEEEEEE!"
Pointless scene no matter how you slice it.
Fbh
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I liked it better than the Force Awakens ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ The whole idea is that it takes the popular criticism of a movie and turns it into a parody trailer.
I also don't think it's the "worst kind" of criticism. The fact The Force awakens is so unoriginal and recycles almost everything from the old trilogy is a very obvious but also very valid issue to bring up.
These videos wouldn't be nearly as popular or funny if they foused on the writers personal issue with the sound mixing from a particular scene just for the sake of not brining up the biggest and most obvious flaws
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