I feel like the Odyssey story is there as a back door for a sequel. It would make sense for the ship to be recorded as lost in case Zero Dawn failed, and the machines hacked the networks and learned of the ship's existence. They would surely try to go after it if it was the only source of biomass.
Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread
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GlamFM
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Where did the signal that infiltrated GAIA come from?
Play Horizon 2: One Dawn.
GlamFM
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Gotcha
Ruthless_Barbarian
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If that's the case, I wonder if this is a Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare scenario where the space-colonising humans are disgusted with the 'original' Earth humansand sent the signal to wipe them out in favour of their galactic supremacy.
Miniature Kaiju
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Oh man, I'd give a kidney for this. Rost was so fucking cool, shame we get so little of him. Dude's a BAMF. Tracking and murdering all the fuckers that killed his family would be awesome and, as an added bonus, we'd get the first few glimpses of what the Forbidden West looks like.
GlamFM
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The signal came from the Moon
It's probably true though, right?
The Odyssey crashed somewhere in space and is sending this signal.
Next game will probably take us to Cape Canaveral.
Horizon 2: Odyssey
gundamkyoukai
Member
I like they way things are now .
Expand the side quest story to have more effect but keep the main story how it is.
I dislike multiple endings and not having that was one of the main reason why HZD main story was so good.
Miniature Kaiju
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I liked how it was done. Branching narratives with multiple outcomes almost never do it in a way that feels seamless. Only thing I want for the sequel is for the side quests to be tied into side narratives, so they feel more integral to the experience and less like something extraneous, tacked on.
For instance, I feel like the side quests could've been used to flesh out inter-tribal relationships and conflicts better. The ones that did - like Traitor's Bounty and Queen's Gambit - are some of the best in the game.
Chekhov's Gun. You don't mention that the Odyssey had an alpha build of APOLLO, a pretty central piece of the backstory of the franchise, if it won't become significant at some point. It will become relevant, the question is how.
dynamitejim
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They mention in the story that all the history and information on Humanity was stored as DNA. I could definitely see that coming back as a plot point in a DLC or sequel.
Sylen finds out from HADES a human was made from/has that DNA in them and now he's trying to track them down and now Aloy has to find them first and/or save them from Sylen.
Sylen finds out from HADES a human was made from/has that DNA in them and now he's trying to track them down and now Aloy has to find them first and/or save them from Sylen.
Button
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How did humans return back on Earth? Were they the young adults who were in Eleuthia?
What was the swarm and how did it get out of hand?
What was the purpose of the huge metal devils and why did they go violent?
I need to replay this game and really focus on the story. It sucks that I missed so many datapoints.
What was the swarm and how did it get out of hand?
What was the purpose of the huge metal devils and why did they go violent?
I need to replay this game and really focus on the story. It sucks that I missed so many datapoints.
Miniature Kaiju
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After the Swarm wiped the Earth clean, GAIA repaired the world, created a bunch of people in the Cradle and released them after a while. That happened 600 to 700 years before the start of the game.
Faro Automated Solutions built a line of self-replicating, biomass-fueled sentient robots that were unhackable. Then he lost control over them because of a glitch in their programming. They started replicating endlessly and consuming the whole planet.
They were pretty much Cauldrons on legs for the Faro robots. They went rogue because of the aforementioned glitch.
You really should, the game has a pretty great story.
everyday math
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1. The humans were cloned in cradle facilities controlled by the subroutine ELEUTHIA. The adults that we're forced out of the cradle are more then likely are the ancestors to everyone in this area.
2. Ted Faro, the owner of Faro Automated Solutions, created "peacekeeping" automated military platforms that were sold in the military market. One of the achievements is that the robots were designed to be self-sufficient, able to convert biomass into energy. By 2064, a "glitch" caused the platforms to refuse to obey their creators and begin attacking humans without authorization, and could not be shut down. Due to their functions, the Faro robots grew their numbers exponentially and were focused on consuming all life on Earth.(Copy from wiki, cause I'm lazy)
3. The metal devils were called FAS-BOR7 Horus in the old world. They are basically a Mobile factorie and the ultimate destroyer in the battlefield.
MegaSackman
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Aloy would be the last clone created, right? Eleuthia should have created more clones between the ones from the holograms and the creation of Aloy.
How Eleuthia connects with Gaia? I understand the creation of Aloy is Gaia's decision.
everyday math
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There was no more food in the cradle so no one could be raised in it anymore. And from the looks of the tribe everyone of them would've been cast out.
When the unknown signal made all the subroutines self aware and go CoCo. Gaia to save the world blew herself up. A failsafe was also activated to create a clone of Elizabeth Sobeck.
The Salt Life
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Whaaaaaat no way!!
Focus just got interference when finding Olin, a voice comes over the com
Commander Zavala / Lance Reddick is in this game?!?!
Oh man this game definitely just went up a few points for me
Focus just got interference when finding Olin, a voice comes over the com
Commander Zavala / Lance Reddick is in this game?!?!
Oh man this game definitely just went up a few points for me
therealminime
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Still though, in the 700 years that pass, humankind manages to accomplish an enormous amount. They go from a small group of people raised in a vault to an expansive collection of numerous civilizations with cities, Meridian being the crown jewel of the land, and religions. They certainly don't advance much at all from the past but they accomplish an enormous amount in a relatively small period of time.
Also Faro deleting all human knowledge is such a great conundrum. Yes, it is utterly tragic in ever sense of the word that so many of our great feats are lost. So much knowledge, so much art, so many great accomplishments. But he's also totally right, modern humans are spared to an extent. Not knowing all the the Old Ones knew results in them lacking the hubris of the ancients. There's a wonderful innocence to the modern tribes in Horizon. And a surprising amount of respect from them all towards nature and the machines. They all respect nature in different ways and all fear the ancients and their creations in different ways. It was probably, in the long run, good that Faro deleted all of it, even if it is an indescribably tragic loss.
Miniature Kaiju
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If I'm not mistaken, she's actually the only (as far as we know) clone created. The others are incubated embryos, rather. ELEUTHIA was one of GAIA's subroutines - slave AIs tasked with taking care of specific functions.
MegaSackman
Member
Oh yeah, I forgot about the food problem and stuff. Gee I want to replay the game so much but I shouldn't right now. :/
Either way, between the people from the cradle and Aloy it passed a very long time, right? That's why she appears when tribes are already a thing.
Yeah that's what I thought but someone mentions "clones" and I'm pretty quick to abandon my beliefs and trust others instead haha.
Deletion of Apollo was a great story idea because it challenges us to think in a way video games often don't (well lately they do, fortunately). When I watched that hologram my head was spinning because even if Ted is a disgrace and his methods were horrible, the actual decision is something worth discussing even if we end up agreeing that Apollo shouldn't have been deleted. So interesting stuff.
everyday math
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But with him also deleting everything the technology they use they have no understanding of the dangers. The world was almost just destroyed again, because they one believe it was a god, two didn't even understand what they were unleashing.
The point of Apollo was to avoid all that. Whether or not that would happen with Apollo we don't know.
therealminime
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Yeah that's what's great about him deleting all of it. It's got so many negatives but also a surprising number of positives.
Button
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The more I think about this game the more I like. The story is incredibly interesting and fully fledged, but it also leaves room for discussion and different interpretations. Guerrilla are masters at writing lore, this is just like Killzone!
I was a fool earlier, look what I wrote in the predictions thread:
Shame on me! Fucking shameful.
I was a fool earlier, look what I wrote in the predictions thread:
Shame on me! Fucking shameful.
Vincent Alexander
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No clue how on earth I missed this! Makes a lot more sense though. I like it.
The first part is from an audio log near the end, after Elizabet has died named "Core Control Log." In the log, Margo is talking to Ronson about Ted sending her a lot of unsolicited messages. Charles apologizes and states Elizabet used to run interference with him. Margo states Ted doesn't understand the systems at all, by design, but he is getting sketchy. Ronson then tells Margo to keep him happy....which makes me also think that the Alphas probably, over time, gave Ted enough information and know-how on the systems to be able to lock them out with the Omega protocol---they surely completely underestimated him, thought of him as a non-threat, and spilled beans on whatever.
As for my second comment on making a copy, I should've been more clear---I was specifically replying to the comment about the possibility of a copy of Apollo (outside the one on The Odyssey) and that I don't think Ted could simply back it all up since it had to be stored on encapsulated DNA and stored at a specific temperature for a long period of time.
Yes, completely agreed! I'm actually sad we haven't had more discussion on here about this. We've talked about the act itself quite a bit, but not so much about the idea---is knowledge a disease, as Ted puts it? (Not to say people haven't discussed it here...just not that much)
I put Nier up on the shelf. Think I'm going to take a video game break for a bit. Practice guitar, write some more. Wait it out.
everyday math
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I guess I just don't see the positives. The same thing almost just happened. The only reason the world was saved was combination of Gaia and a clone of Elizabeth.
It's a great plot point no doubt tho.
wapplew
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Biggest positive, it gave us tribal vs machines setting instead of yet another futuristic shooter.
everyday math
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True lol.
But I'm talking about the game world itself. Not for what is our enjoyment.
We also don't know if they would actually advance fast enough even with that knowledge. Everything still basically needs to be recreated. Unless Gaia herself would help out. Create machines in her cauldrons to help build things etc.
The knowledge would still need to be passed down. I wonder if the cradles would remain unlocked then for future generations to learn in.
This is all going on that this is a timeline where the signal wouldn't mess anything up.
wapplew
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The knowledge humanity miss the most are food recipes! The knowlage to make cheese, bacon, wine, pizza, ramen, baking...
dynamitejim
Member
LOL. That part killed me. One of the things they could have done more elegantly.
OTOH, I get the sense that most of the Alphas were childless intellectual types who didn't really think through how kids raised by AI could go wrong. Not that there were any other options.
everyday math
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Now I'm hungry.
Also can we just point out that they basically need to walk and carry everything? There's no large animals(horses) to our knowledge in these areas. So they push and pull carts themselves. That must get exhausting after awhile. And holy shit that's why GG built that quarry so close to Meridian. Huh. I guess I never really thought of it.
Vincent Alexander
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Gotta feel sorry for those kids though. As Aloy says, they were prisoners. And they had no Apollo to properly educate them as they were supposed to have, so they were prisoners stuck with 3 servitor models---the nurse, the disciplinarian, and I can't remember the 3rd one...
ShemhazaiX
Member
Just checking, but everyone picked up on the Egyptian theme with FAS yeah?
Ted Faro - Pharoah
Elizabet Sobeck - Sobek
Chariot (Corrupters)
Khopesh (Deathbringers) - sword commonly associated with Egypt
Horus (Metal Devils)
Ted Faro - Pharoah
Elizabet Sobeck - Sobek
Chariot (Corrupters)
Khopesh (Deathbringers) - sword commonly associated with Egypt
Horus (Metal Devils)
Miniature Kaiju
Member
The pros and cons of access to advanced knowledge and technology might very well be one of the plot points Guerilla will hit with the sequel, with the whole Odyssey thing.
I mean, imagine being exposed to the entirety of human history and knowledge, but doing so divorced from its context and presencial experience. The way we understand say, World War II, is vastly influenced and informed by the cultural context we live in, by the sociocultural environment we grew in, our system of morals and ethics that were developed from thousands of years of a variety of religious doctrines and philosophies.
Change just one os these aspects and your understanding of what humanity was is completely changed.
We can't really say, for sure, that access to this kind of knowledge is a net positive or negative and I think it's a pretty cool concept to explore.
I mean, imagine being exposed to the entirety of human history and knowledge, but doing so divorced from its context and presencial experience. The way we understand say, World War II, is vastly influenced and informed by the cultural context we live in, by the sociocultural environment we grew in, our system of morals and ethics that were developed from thousands of years of a variety of religious doctrines and philosophies.
Change just one os these aspects and your understanding of what humanity was is completely changed.
We can't really say, for sure, that access to this kind of knowledge is a net positive or negative and I think it's a pretty cool concept to explore.
everyday math
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Vincent Alexander
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Of course, I did. What do I look like, a moron?
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I did not pick that up at all. That's pretty awesome.
whatever6352
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Haha a lot of ppl were writing of horizon before launch and with good reason. As good as killzone 2 and 3 were they had a lot of prove after shadowfall. Glad it turned out as one of the greats.
ShemhazaiX
Member
Also Sobek was a fertility God also worshipped to ward off evil.
They had their symbolism on point.
MegaSackman
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Any way to listen GAIA's audio log from the epilogue without completing the game?
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Don't think so, I never got it after completing the game.
There was a youtube link to the video of the epilogue couple of pages back.
MegaSackman
Member
A lot of people want the Odyssey to have survived, but I'd rather its demise be true. Seems like a crazy theory to me.
As for another crazy theory, Ted probably has a clone, right? He had the ability to override GAIA, so why not greenlight his own clone. Or, better yet, why not do some genetic manipulation - which was probably feasible at the time - and create someone as close to a clone as possible without being obvious. Aloy was clearly the spitting image of Elizabet. She looked the same, sounded the same, and had similar attributes. What if you could eliminate those first two similarities through gene manipulation. You could retain the same level of intellegence, drive, and ambition without being obvious.
Sylens is a Ted Faro.
Either that or a true Faro clone is responsible for the signal, but I think the Sylens story is more fun.
As for another crazy theory, Ted probably has a clone, right? He had the ability to override GAIA, so why not greenlight his own clone. Or, better yet, why not do some genetic manipulation - which was probably feasible at the time - and create someone as close to a clone as possible without being obvious. Aloy was clearly the spitting image of Elizabet. She looked the same, sounded the same, and had similar attributes. What if you could eliminate those first two similarities through gene manipulation. You could retain the same level of intellegence, drive, and ambition without being obvious.
Sylens is a Ted Faro.
Either that or a true Faro clone is responsible for the signal, but I think the Sylens story is more fun.
therealminime
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I've yet to find an explanation, but there are other Banuk characters in the game (shamans I think actually) that have the same blue piping in their bodies.
Miniature Kaiju
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Apparently, Banuk shamans use all sorts of robot cables and conduits as body modifications, or at least I've read mentioned by someone who has the art book.
Vincent Alexander
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Ted could have made his own clone, but the odds seem stacked against him. Before Elizabet has passed away, she cancels the clone project. Lightbearer? Something like that. When she does, she has all their DNA wiped as well. Gaia disobeys, and keeps Elizabet's. So the big question mark is whether Gaia disobeyed and dumped all the DNA of the Alphas EXCEPT Elizabet, or if she kept all of theirs. As for Sylens, that's an interesting idea. However, I like the idea that Sylens is just his own person because he represents everything Ted came to fear after the glitch. Sylens caught the "disease" with his thirst for knowledge, and if he was a Ted clone it would be a little less interesting to me. Just my own opinion. But I like the idea. There is a datalog that has a brief sentence about the ectogenic chambers and their lack of DNA...variety? Can't think of the wording. Pretty much stating they needed to do a better job of mixing up the DNA for the new humans. Maybe at least some part of Ted exists and was used in the new humans?