Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread

I still just don't really know what to think of it tbh. I am starting to come around on the theory that he gave Aloy his lance so that he could create a network to put Hades in the bird cage. Sylens will do anything for knowledge, so it kind of makes sense. He obviously didn't want the world to die, so he got Aloy to take out the extinction protocol from Hades. But what is he going to do with the Horus unit?

Really strange post credits overall.
 
Zackat said:
I still just don't really know what to think of it tbh. I am starting to come around on the theory that he gave Aloy his lance so that he could create a network to put Hades in the bird cage. Sylens will do anything for knowledge, so it kind of makes sense. He obviously didn't want the world to die, so he got Aloy to take out the extinction protocol from Hades. But what is he going to do with the Horus unit?

Really strange post credits overall.
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Knowledge is power, guard it well.
 
You know I kind of love how this game kind of reflects how we are now.

Our insatiable desire to know more about this games world and it's mysteries.


The ending itself never really bothered me per say. I guess seeing the Nanites flying through the air miles to other machines into the ground like some god damn ghosts waking the dead. Seeing it fly to some sort of cage isn't that far off. Considering we don't know what that thing is.

I agree about the spear. I wanna point out one fact. Aloy has been stabbing machines all game long and all off a sudden she finally now gets electrocuted? And it just happens the spear has a shock ability. Might be nothing, but it just seemed weird to me.
 
everyday math said:
You know I kind of love how this game kind of reflects how we are now.

Our insatiable desire to know more about this games world and it's mysteries.


The ending itself never really bothered me per say. I guess seeing the Nanites flying through the air miles to other machines into the ground like some god damn ghosts waking the dead. Seeing it fly to some sort of cage isn't that far off. Considering we don't know what that thing is.

I agree about the spear. I wanna point out one fact. Aloy has been stabbing machines all game long and all off a sudden she finally now gets electrocuted? And it just happens the spear has a shock ability. Might be nothing, but it just seemed weird to me.
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I took the nanites as stylized info bits. Like stylized wifi/cellphone signals basically. Him giving her this electrified spear seems suspect in retrospect. Sylens does everything for a reason.
 
everyday math said:
You know I kind of love how this game kind of reflects how we are now.

Our insatiable desire to know more about this games world and it's mysteries.


The ending itself never really bothered me per say. I guess seeing the Nanites flying through the air miles to other machines into the ground like some god damn ghosts waking the dead. Seeing it fly to some sort of cage isn't that far off. Considering we don't know what that thing is.

I agree about the spear. I wanna point out one fact. Aloy has been stabbing machines all game long and all off a sudden she finally now gets electrocuted? And it just happens the spear has a shock ability. Might be nothing, but it just seemed weird to me.
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I mean she overrid HADES, it wasnt just any machine so I thought it was normal that she got hit a little.
I also feel like the ending could've had longer cutscenes idk i guess I just wanted to see more rather than 2-3 pretty short cutscenes
 
STILLethal said:
I mean she overrid HADES, it wasnt just any machine so I thought it was normal that she got hit a little.
I also feel like the ending could've had longer cutscenes idk i guess I just wanted to see more rather than 2-3 pretty short cutscenes
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We're talking about the epilogue not the ending. She's over ridden many things and nothing has happened.
 
So every tribe in the game are the descendants of children from the Eleuthia "vault"? The ones that were raised by AI and did not have any education beside "sky is blue"?

No idea how they managed to not only survive, but also reach their current state.

To me this part of the story is even more chilling than entire humanity being wiped out. Hey, we're running out of resources here and we can't teach you anything, so good luck out there, kids.
Have fun inventing Kamasutra once again.
 
Finished it! Yes!

It's amazing they managed to make a big cast of compelling and memorable characters out of an open world survialish game. Makes me more confused why Ubisoft cannot achieve that. Great casting for most of the characters and it blows my mind that even the weird plot things have actually story meaning ect.

My one gripe was: Aloy activated the Hades override and it took out all the machines that were going to wipe the earth. I don't get why they couldnt just create a program that would wipe out the robots during their uprising? Also when did gaia assume it was ok to start letting humans back into things? When did the bad robots start to diminish?

I'd absolutely love a graphic illustration of the timeline of this game, it'd be brilliant (starting from like 2020). Does this exist?

Insanely great game though... not sure how Mass Effect will be able to compete.
 
I was collecting some of the datapoints I'd missed when I had a thought. A lot of the datapoints talk about all of the neat robots people were using in the future (especially in the early 2060s). It seems like the rogue Chariot swarms had the power to "slave" any other robots, so does this mean the swarms that attacked humanity weren't just the scarabs, kopesh, and horus machines, but also every other robot that the swarm came into contact with? It seems like robots were everywhere in society by that point, and we see in the game the Chariot line is even able to slave GAIA's machines.

Man, Enduring Victory must have been really rough.
 
Another thing bother me is Aloy use pointy end of the spear to override Hades while she use bottom of the spear (the corrupter device) to override everything else, urgh!
 
Darknessbear said:
Finished it! Yes!

It's amazing they managed to make a big cast of compelling and memorable characters out of an open world survialish game. Makes me more confused why Ubisoft cannot achieve that. Great casting for most of the characters and it blows my mind that even the weird plot things have actually story meaning ect.

My one gripe was: Aloy activated the Hades override and it took out all the machines that were going to wipe the earth. I don't get why they couldnt just create a program that would wipe out the robots during their uprising? Also when did gaia assume it was ok to start letting humans back into things? When did the bad robots start to diminish?

I'd absolutely love a graphic illustration of the timeline of this game, it'd be brilliant (starting from like 2020). Does this exist?

Insanely great game though... not sure how Mass Effect will be able to compete.
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To the bolded, they ddint have time to crack the encryption on the swarm. They said it would take 50 or 100 years to do, and they only had 15 months. GAIA kept working on cracking the encryption and sent the shut down, through the spires. which is why HADES was so interested in the spire. he was going to reactivate the swarm, because he no longer had access to GAIA's terraforming tools. The swarm would have been his only way to destroy the ecosystem.

Its interesting that HADES wasn't so much evil as he was just trying to complete his purpose.
 
wapplew said:
Another thing bother me is Aloy use pointy end of the spear to override Hades while she use bottom of the spear (the corrupter device) to override everything else, urgh!
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She wanted to override AND end Hades.


Waitaminute... if Earth was cleansed back then - then why boars, foxes, rabbits, ants, and geese are still around?
 
deim0s said:
She wanted to override AND end Hades.


Waitaminute... if Earth was cleansed back then - then why boars, foxes, rabbits, ants, and geese are still around?
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Same thing with new human, they collect DNA and clone them after cleansing. Lost a bunch of animal DNA tho.
No cow or goat, no milk, butter and cheese, the world look alright but it's actually hell.
 
deim0s said:
She wanted to override AND end Hades.


Waitaminute... if Earth was cleansed back then - then why boars, foxes, rabbits, ants, and geese are still around?
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They kept those around to repopulate the earth. It's probably why there aren't any "violent" animals, since Gaia decided to only create a specific subset of mammals that would make the food chain easier for early humans.

Although I think the odd thing is why there isn't any cattle or chickens or any domesticated farm animals.
 
everyday math said:
The flower guy said they started noticing them sprouting 20years ago.
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It's very likely that's what the original intended use for was, but why are they sprouting again?
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I'm assuming it had something to do with the separation of the subroutines. When independent, Hades tries to destroy everything and Hephestus makes crazier machines. I'm sure Demeter unchained would start doing crazy plant shit too. Just wait till Artemis starts releasing actual dinosaurs into the Wild.

Which also brings me to another point. Was it said whether Gaia had actually even finished terraforming? Considering the machines were still active, I'm guessing the process isn't finished (also maybe explaining why the west is so hostile). The humans of the Nora cradle were let out early due to being unable to access the lower food stores. What if the sequel involves finding a cradle that still has people living there, having not been released due to the terraforming.

wapplew said:
Same thing with new human, they collect DNA and clone them after cleansing. Lost a bunch of animal DNA tho.
No cow or goat, no milk, butter and cheese, the world look alright but it's actually hell.
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Duh, boar butter, bruh.
 
wapplew said:
Same thing with new human, they collect DNA and clone them after cleansing. Lost a bunch of animal DNA tho.
No cow or goat, no milk, butter and cheese, the world look alright but it's actually hell.
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They managed to craft booze, they'll do alright.
 
ShemhazaiX said:
I'm assuming it had something to do with the separation of the subroutines. When independent, Hades tries to destroy everything and Hephestus makes crazier machines. I'm sure Demeter unchained would start doing crazy plant shit too. Just wait till Artemis starts releasing actual dinosaurs into the Wild.

Which also brings me to another point. Was it said whether Gaia had actually even finished terraforming? Considering the machines were still active, I'm guessing the process isn't finished (also maybe explaining why the west is so hostile). The humans of the Nora cradle were let out early due to being unable to access the lower food stores. What if the sequel involves finding a cradle that still has people living there, having not been released due to the terraforming.


Duh, boar butter, bruh.
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I am pretty sure GAIA wasn't done fully terraforming. She said she needed Aloy to rebuild her. She said things would start to deteriorate, without her control and the erratic behavior of the other AIs.
 
firehawk12 said:
They kept those around to repopulate the earth. It's probably why there aren't any "violent" animals, since Gaia decided to only create a specific subset of mammals that would make the food chain easier for early humans.

Although I think the odd thing is why there isn't any cattle or chickens or any domesticated farm animals.
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Huh. I see.

I think boar/fox and turkey/goose is a substitute for those.
 
...but no rabbit or boar robots..

She made a choice. Smaller animals that would be easier to hunt, not pose a threat to early humans and ones that won't compete with the natural resources.
 
Ruthless_Barbarian said:
...but no rabbit or boar robots..

She made a choice. Smaller animals that would be easier to hunt, not pose a threat to early humans and ones that won't compete with the natural resources.
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Yeah but you see the cow and horse robots graze on the grass... they're even grazers who... just graze I guess. lol

Then again, I'm not really sure what these robots are for. Why would it be a good idea to have snapmaws in the same place where people would catch fish?
 
wapplew said:
Alcohol is in our DNA, we will reinvent it no mater how many reboots.
Since booze have reinvented, I guess all kind of different fermentation product too?
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Ah, now I gotta get back to the Proving feast and check the tables :D

I hope there is some cats DNA left for breeding. It would be a sad world without cats.
 
hydruxo said:
I jumped out of my seat when this happened:

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Best moment of the game.
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Yep. Had the biggest grin on my face. Can always rely on Lance!
 
firehawk12 said:
Yeah but you see the cow and horse robots graze on the grass... they're even grazers who... just graze I guess. lol

Then again, I'm not really sure what these robots are for. Why would it be a good idea to have snapmaws in the same place where people would catch fish?
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IIRC one of the Project Dawn videos shows how these robots will be used to cleanse the atmosphere, one of the slides is a snapmaw and then it mentions cleansing the oceans/water sources.

So, the robots were probably used somehow to cleanse the atmosphere of the world, sort of like portable terraformers.
 
firehawk12 said:
Yeah but you see the cow and horse robots graze on the grass... they're even grazers who... just graze I guess. lol

Then again, I'm not really sure what these robots are for. Why would it be a good idea to have snapmaws in the same place where people would catch fish?
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Grazers make the biofuel for the other robots and Cauldrons, that's what Blaze actually is. Snapmaws clean the water. Transporter robots like Tramplers and Behemoths get raw materials and change the landscape. Annoying Vulture bots clean out broken machines etc. Some of them only started to be made after the derangement started. Maybe the horses were made to actually be ridden by humans for transport. And all were nonviolent until the derangement.
 
I saw a post on Reddit today where they suggested that the downed "satellite" in the Banjul camp that was calming all the machines could be something that was part of Gaia. Has that satellite been discussed here yet?
 
Carcetti said:
Grazers make the biofuel for the other robots and Cauldrons, that's what Blaze actually is. Snapmaws clean the water. Transporter robots like Tramplers and Behemoths get raw materials and change the landscape. Annoying Vulture bots clean out broken machines etc. Some of them only started to be made after the derangement started. Maybe the horses were made to actually be ridden by humans for transport. And all were nonviolent until the derangement.
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Stalkers definitely only exist to make things go kaboom.
 
I don't think I've ever hated a character in a video game as much as I hated Ted Faro. He wasn't even the actual villain of the game and yet I get so angry thinking about how much harm he did, both in causing the swarm and his decisions after it.

It's just infuriating to think one person could be so bad for the welfare of the world, then I watch the news and remember what the real situation is like.
 
Shoeless said:
I don't think I've ever hated a character in a video game as much as I hated Ted Faro. He wasn't even the actual villain of the game and yet I get so angry thinking about how much harm he did, both in causing the swarm and his decisions after it.

It's just infuriating to think one person could be so bad for the welfare of the world, then I watch the news and remember what the real situation is like.
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This. And I consider him not only a villain but perhaps the best villain I've encountered in a game, ever. Not because he was evil, but precisely because he was so human. His arrogance, his cowardice, his ego, his greed, his short-sightedness... all of it. Helis is a fanatic, and there is something familiar and typical in his portrayal as an antagonist. We've seen that countless times in other games and other media. But Faro, god. He might as well be real. None of us have any problem imagining the Faros of the world, or envisioning a future where someone just like Ted exists. We see it happening every day. GG fashioned a villain who encapsulates and personifies so many of the real world problems facing our species right now.

I doubt any video game character will garner more ire from me ever. I really hate Ted Faro.
 
LiK said:
I skipped the wall of text credits and watched it. Sequel bait. Kinda disappointed by that, tbh.
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The bait is logical considering they expect to make a franchise from this , it's ok, really unimportant overall. I was more worried before the game comes out, I thought they were going to leave everything open.

The epilogue tho, that was some powerfull shit, really well done. I wish I could know more about Aloy's friends but I can't complain about what they decided to tell with that ending.
 
Aaronology said:
This. And I consider him not only a villain but perhaps the best villain I've encountered in a game, ever. Not because he was evil, but precisely because he was so human. His arrogance, his cowardice, his ego, his greed, his short-sightedness... all of it. Helis is a fanatic, and there is something familiar and typical in his portrayal as an antagonist. We've seen that countless times in other games and other media. But Faro, god. He might as well be real. None of us have any problem imagining the Faros of the world, or envisioning a future where someone just like Ted exists. We see it happening every day. GG fashioned a villain who encapsulates and personifies so many of the real world problems facing our species right now.

I doubt any video game character will garner more ire from me ever. I really hate Ted Faro.
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yep. there's just something sooo travis kalanik about him :) ...
 
MegaSackman said:
The bait is logical considering they expect to make a franchise from this , it's ok, really unimportant overall. I was more worried before the game comes out, I thought they were going to leave everything open.

The epilogue tho, that was some powerfull shit, really well done. I wish I could know more about Aloy's friends but I can't complain about what they decided to tell with that ending.
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oh yea, Sobeck's corpse scene made me almost tear up.
 
Aaronology said:
This. And I consider him not only a villain but perhaps the best villain I've encountered in a game, ever. Not because he was evil, but precisely because he was so human. His arrogance, his cowardice, his ego, his greed, his short-sightedness... all of it. Helis is a fanatic, and there is something familiar and typical in his portrayal as an antagonist. We've seen that countless times in other games and other media. But Faro, god. He might as well be real. None of us have any problem imagining the Faros of the world, or envisioning a future where someone just like Ted exists. We see it happening every day. GG fashioned a villain who encapsulates and personifies so many of the real world problems facing our species right now.

I doubt any video game character will garner more ire from me ever. I really hate Ted Faro.
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My thoughts exactly and you summed it up perfectly.
 
Completed it. Really great game. The writing was pretty terrible, but The concept was really cool. Didn't like it to begin with, but when it started going into how GAIA worked I got drawn in.

One thing that did piss me off was there was no big final boss fight. I thought one of those huge tentacle monsters was gonna arise for a crazy battle.

Combat was some of the best of played (apart from vs human) though I do with there was some "boss" type, one off fights.

Bring on Horizon 2!
 
Aaronology said:
But Faro, god. He might as well be real. None of us have any problem imagining the Faros of the world, or envisioning a future where someone just like Ted exists. We see it happening every day. GG fashioned a villain who encapsulates and personifies so many of the real world problems facing our species right now.

I doubt any video game character will garner more ire from me ever. I really hate Ted Faro.
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My personal theory is that Ted Faro is probably modeled on some manager or CEO that the writers have had personal experience with. The sliminess he bleeds out it just too familiar for it not to be based on an actual person with too much authority.
 
MegaSackman said:
The bait is logical considering they expect to make a franchise from this , it's ok, really unimportant overall. I was more worried before the game comes out, I thought they were going to leave everything open.

The epilogue tho, that was some powerfull shit, really well done. I wish I could know more about Aloy's friends but I can't complain about what they decided to tell with that ending.
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For me, atleast, it answers some and raises some new questions.

It would explain why the final battle felt a bit too easy and lackluster. That could mean that Hades was trapped in a Horus machine that wasn't operational for example, so "killing" it and in the light of the post credits scene, freeing it, allows it to be transferred to a another Horus machine with help from Sylense.

It also shows that the elephant in the room hasn't been forgotten either. That being the signal of unknown origin that set the whole chain of events in motion. Because outside of few mentions, even if one of them was GAIA's final message, it gets buried under everything else.

Had the scene been without any dialog or different kind of dialog, it would have seemed to be more usual "please be excited for the sequel!" end. But as it is now and how the end of the game felt? It feels like there could be more going on than it seems.

Of course this could just be me overthinking it and having too high expectations for the plot of a video game.
 
motorised mallard said:
For me, atleast, it answers some and raises some new questions.

It would explain why the final battle felt a bit too easy and lackluster. That could mean that Hades was trapped in a Horus machine that wasn't operational for example, so "killing" it and in the light of the post credits scene, freeing it, allows it to be transferred to a another Horus machine with help from Sylense.

It also shows that the elephant in the room hasn't been forgotten either. That being the signal of unknown origin that set the whole chain of events in motion. Because outside of few mentions, even if one of them was GAIA's final message, it gets buried under everything else.

Had the scene been without any dialog or different kind of dialog, it would have seemed to be more usual "please be excited for the sequel!" end. But as it is now and how the end of the game felt? It feels like there could be more going on than it seems.

Of course this could just be me overthinking it and having too high expectations for the plot of a video game.
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Well, when I said "everything" I meant the misteries we had before the game came out: What happened to the earth, why are machines there, who's Aloy and stuff. We didn't know about Hades and Horus.
Anyway, I thought we didn't fight Hades at the end, we just fought a mega Deathbringer that was buying time for Hades (under Hades command, of course).

Regarding what's to come, yeah, they opened new misteries, it could be good. I'll trust for now. Sadly we'll have to wait like two years to have a glimpse of anything.
 
I really hope future games also develop Sylens even more. His design is pretty damn unique compared to any tribe we've seen so far. What's up with those LED like blu stripes on his body? Those look funky! Is it a tribe thing (perhpas one we've yet to meet) or is it unique to him? If so, how/why did he get those?

And of course, what exactly does he want to do with HADES now? That final cutscene made him seem more evil than just heartless (and thirsty for knowledge).

Man, can't we get a sequel like...next month or something? :P I just want to explore even more parts of the world they built!
 
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