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House of Cards - Season 2 on Netflix - *Spoilers for all of S2*

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kurbaan

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Also, question about episode 4. Not really spoilers, but I'll tag just in case.

What else has the guy playing the hacker been in? He looks very familiar, and I don't particularly care for him. I feel like I've definitely seen him in something else though.

I remember him from How I met your mother. he was Beercules, lol i couldn't get that out of my head.
 

snack

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Also, question about episode 4. Not really spoilers, but I'll tag just in case.

What else has the guy playing the hacker been in? He looks very familiar, and I don't particularly care for him. I feel like I've definitely seen him in something else though.
One of the twins from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia I think.
 
Also, question about episode 4. Not really spoilers, but I'll tag just in case.

What else has the guy playing the hacker been in? He looks very familiar, and I don't particularly care for him. I feel like I've definitely seen him in something else though.

He was the Dog in the Air Bud movies, that's why he was so good at barking
 
Just finished up the last episode and I have to say I enjoyed it quite a bit more then season 1, though I am unsure as to why I liked season 2 more. Very much looking forward to season 3, but I do hope it doesn't go on for much longer, it would be a shame for the show to overstay it's welcome.
 
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the "big thing" that happens in episode one felt completely out of character

this show is really testing my patience
 

Nuklear

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I liked Season 2 but any suspense they were trying to go for was lost to me because
Frank gets out of everything and I have no doubts he will. Hopefully in Season 3 he's challenged more. The series sort of feels over now that he's President.
 
I liked Season 2 but any suspense they were trying to go for was lost to me because
Frank gets out of everything and I have no doubts he will. Hopefully in Season 3 he's challenged more. The series sort of feels over now that he's President.

Yeah, the fact that not only did 100% of everything bounce off of both of them, but in fact they were able to twist everything thrown their way back to harm others. It was just a bit too ridiculous. Nothing did any damage at the end of the day, from Adam's photos to anything else. Became tiring and predictable.
 

dosh

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The best scene was easily S2
when Frank eviscerates Jackie and drops the pillow talk line. Just amazing.

I think my favorite scene is the last one.
The sinister expression on Frank's face, and the sudden knock on the table, made even louder by the ring he just put on his finger.

As for
Frank and Claire getting out of everything situation they're thrown in, I assume it will backfire in a glorious explosion of political violence and misery during season 3.
 
I liked Season 2 but any suspense they were trying to go for was lost to me because
Frank gets out of everything and I have no doubts he will. Hopefully in Season 3 he's challenged more. The series sort of feels over now that he's President.
You know what usually happens to a house of cards?
 

Zertez

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Mod edit: Note that this has spoilers for the BBC show, as well.

Overall I enjoyed this season, it had some lower points than the first season, but I thought the highs/twists were more intense than the first season. Many of the twists were predictable at this point, but it was still fun to watch Frank create or destroy whenever it helped him. It is a lot of fun binge watching Netflix shows, but it makes waiting a year even worse. Orange is due out soon and hopefully Netflix can find more shows to fill the gaps. Spoilers for this season and last. Sorry for the long post, but I really enjoyed the show and wanted to share some long thoughts on both seasons.

US show spoilers
This season lacked very few human elements and scenes that made Frank and Claire seem venerable from a human aspect compared to season 1. Last season had several episodes that showed Claire and Franks human side that is heavily flawed like everyone else, but this season seemed to lack the same kind of episodes except maybe the Freddie episode. There were scenes here and there, but not full episodes like last season.

Some people didnt like least seasons episode with Frank returning to his home district over the peachoid, but I loved it. It was a huge contrast between the high stakes politics in DC, and the small dusty room politics in his rural home district. Even though Frank was trying to handle one of the biggest bills of his political career, his political future was in serious jeopardy over the tragic death of one girl in his small hometown of thousand people. Frank needed to return to his home district and deal with small time politics in order to keep his seat secured in Congress.

More examples of episodes showing Franks/Claires real human side in season 1 were Frank returning to his old school and getting drunk with his friends, the episodes with Claire leaving DC to spend time with Adam and being torn between real love and a simple life rather than playing with peoples lives in DC, Russo's rise and fall, Russo struggling with his demons and love for Christina, his kids and his childhood friends, and finally Zoe going from a ambitious naive young journalist to a schemer like Frank using Lucas/Janine and any other dirty tactic to learn about her role in Franks game.

Not sure why people are surprised by how dumb Walker was this season. All along he has been a puppet to Tusk, with Tusk making back room deals keeping Walker in the dark all along. Tusk has been grooming and buying elections from Walkers start in politics over 20 something years. Many of the meetings and demands made by Frank to Tusk were kept secret from Walker and Walker was clueless Frank had already accepted the nomination of VP when he asked Frank to become the new VP. Walker was propped up by Tusk for decades and by the time he cut Tusk off and became more hands on, it was too late. His fate was already sealed by Frank.

UK version spoilers as well as the US counterpart.
I was a little surprised they got rid of Zoe so early in the season, but after watching the BBC version of House of Cards, I knew it was coming. Francis in the BBC version handled the deed himself, so figured they would have Frank handled the deed personally as well. Zoes fate was sealed when she broke her deal with Frank. She told Frank she would print anything he told her to without asking any questions, but she started asking many too questions. Keeping Zoe around any longer would have helped uncover more details of Franks involvement in Russo's life and death. It would have been tougher to kill that storyline if she revealed more details to Lucas and Janine. Zoe was a very popular character and it made me realize no one was safe this season from Frank and Claire.

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Frank and Claire are beyond evil. Even when I thought they couldnt sink any lower, they proved me wrong. I thought the three way with Meechum was very creepy, but at least they didnt show it in full detail like other sex scenes. Claire proved she is just as cut throat, calculating, and ruthless as Frank. First with Gillian and the babys health going so far as illegally obtaining Gillians medical records and seeing a doctor for research to fight Gillians lawsuit, then with using Christina to create friction in the Walkers marriage, befriending the first lady just to drive a wedge between the Walkers, and finally sacrificing someone she loves deeply in order to keep her political status. There is other instances, but those were some of the bigger ones that stuck out to me right now.

In many ways she is worse than Frank. She sets up pieces for Frank to knock down. Sometimes without telling him, just to see if he will find them, use them and how ruthless he can be with them. Claire sets things in motion daring Frank to take advantage of the situation, sometimes he doesnt even see the pawns set up by Claire until she points them out. Her TV interview was incredible and set many things in play for such a short TV spot. Robin Wrights work is incredible in the show.

I hated to see Freddie get caught in Franks wake. The scenes in Freddies apartment were very moving. Frank seemed human for a change and I got the sense Frank and Freddie both knew they were losing maybe the last real friendship either of them had left. Each man has very few friends left at this point in their life, due to the choices they have made up to this point. Frank with his politics and Freddie with his gang life, going to jail, and being a bad father. You could tell how much it hurt one another, but both understood why it had to be done.

I would have liked to have seen more of a real fight out of Tusk, rather than just mud slinging by Tusk. I believe they were trying illustrate again the difference between money vs loyalty vs political power. Tusk could throw around as much money he wanted, but no matter how much he spent he couldnt buy true loyalty and real political power. Sure he bought Walker and it got him to the White House, but he had very little power to pass meaningful bills without Frank. Seeing Tusk snap the head of his bird because it wouldnt stop singing was pretty intense. It showed Tusks mentality and his need to have complete control of things in his life.

Stamper wins the creepiest person award imo. He should have gotten rid of Rachel a long time ago, but his twisted love for her stopped him. If he couldnt have done it all he had to do was tell Frank and he would have done it, but he kept telling Frank it was under control.

Stamper dying hurts and helps Frank. A lot of skeletons died with Stamper, but at the same time Frank losses a loyal right hand man he can trust with anything. Seth bouncing back and forth between Frank/Tusk, it is hard to read his true intentions and how much Frank can really trust Seth. The investigation into Stampers death could also unearth many secrets Frank hoped were buried especially since it was Rachel who killed him. If they figure out Rachel was behind the murder, she would sell out Frank and talk to any papers to save herself. I wonder how careful Doug was and how much of a trail he left behind. I figure Doug kept some type of insurance policy to protect himself, I just wonder what it is.

Jackie/Remy could prove to be a very powerful force to go against Frank and Claire next season. Im sure Frank would want to pick up Remy, but how much would he trust him knowing he already sacrificed his future with Glendon Hill to protect Jackie. I want to see a lot more of Jackie and Remy next season.

I didnt hate the hacker part as much as others did, but I hated how they used it to kill a storyline in a blink of an eye. It was like they waved some kind of magic wand and the storyline just went away in a quick puff of smoke. With a few sketchy details they got rid of people quickly that could have really hurt Frank. I did like cashew, but at times Galvin Orsay looked like a bond villain or Dr Evil instead of petting a cat, he had cashew.

I expect next season to be the last and it should be very interesting. It is tough to predict how Franks past actions will hurt him. He will gain people Walker screwed over, people afraid of being crushed Frank will remain with him, but Frank has also screwed plenty of people that hate everything he stands for and will go against him just out of spite. Frank put a lot of his people into place already, so I have to think he has something on the major players in power in case he needs to get rid of them.
 
About the "next season being the last season" bit: I'm sure that reelection could easily fill a season or two before the inevitable downfall season.
 

kurbaan

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End season spoilers

Just finished the season. Overall it was ok but all the characters just became so despicable. There is not one character that I actually care for. Hopefullly they all goto jail / die otherwise Im gonna be tired of Frank always somehow comes out on top. But I guess frank is president now but I don't really see what he is gonna do there. I mean he is the president, is he still gonna spend the whole season in petty squabbles?
 

ThatObviousUser

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One seemingly tiny tidbit in the season I thought added a lot:
The haunting "opera" music that played in a couple spots. It was rare, but added a subtle yet totally unsettling undercurrent to whichever scene it was used in. When they were actually at the opera I'm like "oh shit, it's been echoing throughout the entire season.
 

Grinchy

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I'm only on the 6th episode but I'm really loving the season so far. I get so hooked while I'm watching it that the 40-60 minutes just flies by before I realize it's over.
 

ЯAW

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Seven episodes down and I have grown tired of the show. It feels much like OZ in later seasons where the characters weren't really characters but disposable pawns. Right now it feels like every character is there to show how cunning and capable Frank is. I guess first seasons was enough for me. At least it had Russo, he was a pawn for sure but at least he felt like real human being. Also I don't care for the
hacking plot at all and it has curbed my enthusiasm a lot.
 
Finished ep 11 and holy fuck best show running hands down.
Mad Men doesn't air in your country?

Besides that, season 2 was very satisfying. The highs and lows swing more wildly than they did in season 1.
I would have preferred Zoe over the hacker plotline. A bit too ridiculous for me how she died and also how Orsay worked over the cyber terrorism guy.

There were some great points though. Remy and Jackie bring some of the emotion that Russo and Christina had for me last season. Claire destroying Adam was one of my favorite parts. Along with how they showed Claire being destructive to everyone she meets through the Megan plotline. Robin Wright did very well.

All in all, I'm eager to see season 3. One of the better shows on TV. No power is everlasting.
 
Just finished the season. Thought the show was slow in the middle as per last season, but overall it was very entertaining with a few surprises
that Meechum Threesome, DID NOT SEE THAT COMING
 

george_us

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Check your morality out of the door and pick it back up again when you're done with the show, it really helps that way.
I don't think you necessarily have to leave your morality behind, you just have to realize that almost every character in the show is either scumbag or have personal issues so severe that it would have eventually led to their undoing. The only characters I ever truly felt sorry for are
Peter and Freddy.
The rest I hardly ever feel bad for because their greed, lust for power, hubris, etc. all blind them to the fact that Frank is ultimately a ruthless, conniving asshole. Frank may ultimately put the noose around their necks but they're usually the ones who provide the rope.
 

Draconian

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Episode 7

The scenes with the Walkers are interesting. The president actually seems like a decent person, it's too bad he's such a weak leader. His wife is ridiculous for demanding Christina be reassigned. Speaking of Christina, I hope she plays a larger role in this season or the next because she was much more important in season 1 than she's been here. I guess Claire made the point about Christina to cause them marriage issues? That's pretty cold.

Stamper's a very interesting character. It's pretty clear he identified with the casino worker also being in the program. They did a decent job of actually making those later scenes look like they were in China.

I like the Francis-Freddy relationship. The show's done a good job of making it seem very believable. I wonder if he'll end up deciding to start up a franchise.

My favorite exchange of the episode was between Claire and Frank.
"What should we serve the Walkers?"
"Cyanide?"
 
Finished it. I am disappointed.

Not even Lelouch from Code Geass was able to convince people as swift and easily as Frank does. Every single time, most characters are stupidly innocent to believe in everything he says even when most of his lies could be easily uncovered by just a casual chat between characters that are constantly in touch. The republicans are never actually out for blood to destroy him either, lets not say about the stupidty shown by most of the press. Hopefully they can improve this for season three.
 

Draconian

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Episode 8

That scene with Linda was intense. I know she's just trying to do her job, but I'm glad to see her essentially have to walk away with her tail between her legs.

The scene where Frank meets with Tusk and throws the steak into the swimming pool was hilarious.

It will be interesting to see what happens now that everyone knows about the Claire-Adam fling. I'm sure they will find a way to recover, but it will be interesting to see how this affects people around Claire in her job.

Also, I wasn't expecting Rachel's fling with her new friend (I don't remember what her name is). I'm glad she's found someone that makes her happy and is actually attempting to live some sort of normal life.
 
LTTP but 2x01: Holy shit.
Honestly not sure if I think the show earned that, feels like a kill just for shock value.

Did the writers get replaced with comic book writers this season? Not like Season 1 was particularly subtle but that monologue and ending ratcheted up the ham levels. Or maybe I've just forgotten how hammy the show was. I guess I should prepare for more.
 

Draconian

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LTTP but 2x01: Holy shit.
Honestly not sure if I think the show earned that, feels like a kill just for shock value.

Did the writers get replaced with comic book writers this season? Not like Season 1 was particularly subtle but that monologue and ending ratcheted up the ham levels. Or maybe I've just forgotten how hammy the show was. I guess I should prepare for more.

I'm 8 episodes in and I really don't think the tone of this season is that much different from the last. It definitely feels like the same showrunner.
 

Arjen

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Finished it.

Thought it was weaker then season1, opening was very strong, but then it looses track in the middle, last 3 episodes were a lot better. I missed Zoe as a counterpart to Frank, and i felt they dragged the battle with Tusk to long, would have been more interesting if they added a bit more problems for Frank then just Tusk. Rachel subplot was completly boring. I ddin't mind the hacker subplot, should be a decent setup for a good adversery to Frank in season 3.
Also, i thought the President was really naive and to easy manipulated by Frank.
Lot of complaints, but i still enjoyed it quitte a bit.
 

Guess Who

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Really wanted Stamper to get redemption. Instead he just went back to being a creepy dick and got himself killed. Whoops.

Season needed more Zoe, or at least someone like her. The dynamic between her and Frank was way the hell more interesting than anything this season.

Last episode was painful to watch. Walker got fucked hard for being too nice of a dude.

Claire breaking down in tears was great. She was way too robotic this season and it was nice that everything finally hit her, even if just for a moment. Also I just want Megan to be happy :( I just want to, like, hug her.

Christina might as well have not been there. Any attractive girl could've filled her role in the season, except for that one scene where Lucas ran up to her, and that scene could've been omitted and not changed a thing overall.

In general it just felt like the show was too eager to kill off all the plot lines from last season, but those were good and interesting plot lines so fuck.

Lucas's fall was also painful to watch. You know early on that Frank's on to him, so every second of screen time he has just feels like the countdown to his own terrible explosion.

It's been brought up a lot but the season was sorely lacking in human drama. Also sorely lacking in anything besides political warfare, really. Season one contrasted the political side of Washington with the journalists who cover it, and this season journalism is basically reduced to that one chick who gets no characterization outside of "she's a pretty good journalist" and a bunch of tabloids covering Claire's sex life.

Too tired to write more girifhfk
 

g23

European pre-madonna
Just finished.

anyone else want the series to culminate with frank becoming president for life presiding over an authoritarian state?
 

Moff

Member
Not too fond of it so far (Episode 5)

Too much constructed Drama in my opinion.
maybe I expect the wrong Thing, but I dont want the frank underwood Show
what I loved about season 1 was that it seemingly provided a "realistic" look at the highest Levels in Washington, the scheming, the real life game of thrones.
what I disliked about season 1 was for instance the Situation with the Hotel, where they werent allowed to hold their fundraiser anymore and had to improvise in front of it. thats the kind of constructed Drama I dont want in that Show.
and season two has a lot of it.
and yes, I also thought the kill in Episode 1 was really, really bad, I dont think its out of character, but its just bad and ridicoulus that the VP would do something like that himself, its just really over the top. the russo Thing I found believable, but not this.
 

linsivvi

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LTTP but 2x01: Holy shit.
Honestly not sure if I think the show earned that, feels like a kill just for shock value.

Did the writers get replaced with comic book writers this season? Not like Season 1 was particularly subtle but that monologue and ending ratcheted up the ham levels. Or maybe I've just forgotten how hammy the show was. I guess I should prepare for more.

It was at the end of season 1 of the original series though. So they are just delaying that for this season.
 

duckroll

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I've watched up to episode 7 so far. It seems like overall the quality has really taken a dive compared to the first season. The show is more melodramatic, it's trying way too hard to have attention seeking "look at this!!" stuff, and I find most of the new subplots and characters to be lame and uninteresting. The highlight the series remains to be watching Frank and Claire as characters. They're interesting and the performances are very effective.

Out of the first seven episodes I'll say the ones I really liked so far are episode 4 and episode 7. The show operates best when it's about quieter moments with the characters interacting in private settings where their guards are lowered and their humanity is allowed to breath. Most of the other episodes have felt rather forced, with some really mediocre stuff storywise.

The entire cyber-terror subplot is stupid and plain awful. Something I expect to see on cheap network TV stuff, rather than on a supposedly more prestigious pay channel series like this. The Chinese stuff is really annoying for me too, since one of my pet peeves is how fake and unauthentic it is when a production tries to pass off American Chinese actors as native Asians. It never works because it's always really obvious to those familiar with the differences, and it throws any immersion out of the window instantly.

I don't really know what to expect from the remaining half of the series, but I can say that my expectations have been lowered significantly now.
 

slit

Member
I've watched up through episode 3. I've enjoyed it so far. Frank is great once again.

Zoe just killed out of nowhere was nuts!!!
 

linsivvi

Member
I've watched up to episode 7 so far. It seems like overall the quality has really taken a dive compared to the first season. The show is more melodramatic, it's trying way too hard to have attention seeking "look at this!!" stuff, and I find most of the new subplots and characters to be lame and uninteresting. The highlight the series remains to be watching Frank and Claire as characters. They're interesting and the performances are very effective.

Out of the first seven episodes I'll say the ones I really liked so far are episode 4 and episode 7. The show operates best when it's about quieter moments with the characters interacting in private settings where their guards are lowered and their humanity is allowed to breath. Most of the other episodes have felt rather forced, with some really mediocre stuff storywise.

The entire cyber-terror subplot is stupid and plain awful. Something I expect to see on cheap network TV stuff, rather than on a supposedly more prestigious pay channel series like this. The Chinese stuff is really annoying for me too, since one of my pet peeves is how fake and unauthentic it is when a production tries to pass off American Chinese actors as native Asians. It never works because it's always really obvious to those familiar with the differences, and it throws any immersion out of the window instantly.

I don't really know what to expect from the remaining half of the series, but I can say that my expectations have been lowered significantly now.

I gotta agree with that. The main Chinese actor is so so so obviously not a mainland Chinese, not to mention the whole subplot is simply unconvincing. Seem to be me the writers know very little about Chinese politics and didn't spend much time to do research on the subject.
 

Draconian

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It seems a little weird to me that people have gotten this far and expected the show to be an accurate portrayal of politics when the writers and actors both have stated that it never has been the goal of the show at all. If you wanted that, this was never going to be the show for you.
 

slit

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It seems a little weird to me that people have gotten this far and expected the show to be an accurate portrayal of politics when the writers and actors both have stated that it never has been the goal of the show at all. If you wanted that, this was never going to be the show for you.

Yeah, I agree. although it would be great if
the Vice president really could have members of the Senate arrested and dragged into the chamber for trying to stop legislation from happening.
 
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