What's funny is, the only people that they're trolling is themselves, with the possible loss of the platform they stan for.The dweebs will be out in force goading anyone who doesn’t rate him the week Hellblade 2 releases and reviews well.
Xbox Era already have a first draft written up without even playing it.
If you are a fan of Xbox and big up this guy you are taking the piss and it says a lot about you. You should be wanting them to do better for your own benefit not trolling in the name of mediocrity.
Not sure how he killed any of those, maybe halo and one of the 2 forza games. Even then down but not out.
Forza horizon is doing just fine, Fable isn't even out yet so you have no idea. Gears last game universally liked. Even Halo can still be rescued with a regular on rails/story driven sequel.
Console hardware sales can stay, it's been legit weak.
Also your forgetting one important things that Xbox gamers did get - gamepass. For some of us, it's actually saved us a bunch of money and the ability to try games we never would have. So while he was "banging" you, might not have been the case for everyone.
Their output has been pretty mediocre all things considered.Xbox now controls:
Call of Duty
Minecraft
Overwatch
World of Warcraft
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Starfield
Dishonored
Evil Within
Obsidian
Doom
Quake
Wolfenstein
Diablo
Starcraft
Hellblade
I don’t know but that list makes me think Phil is doing a half decent job.
100B in debt.Xbox now controls:
Call of Duty
Minecraft
Overwatch
World of Warcraft
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Starfield
Dishonored
Evil Within
Obsidian
Doom
Quake
Wolfenstein
Diablo
Starcraft
Hellblade
I don’t know but that list makes me think Phil is doing a half decent job.
Gamepass was just MS chasing other people's ideas, which on an institutional and organizational level is all MS does. MS has zero creativity, imagination, or innovation. When they saw the Wii, they decided we need to copy this and made Kinect. When they saw Netflix, they said we need to copy this and made Gamepass. That's all there is, there aren't any deeper thoughts than that at XboxGame Pass is quite possibly the most non-sensical product in gaming of all time. Giving away games for free while also purposely sabotaging your own game sales to the extent that Xbox doesn't even have a store presence anymore in most countries. All while their two competitors utterly dominate them with a sales strategy that is entirely the opposite of Game Pass. Phil might be a cool guy and a good PR man but his ideas have been a disaster.
Game Pass is quite possibly the most non-sensical product in gaming of all time. Giving away games for free while also purposely sabotaging your own game sales to the extent that Xbox doesn't even have a store presence anymore in most countries. All while their two competitors utterly dominate them with a sales strategy that is entirely the opposite of Game Pass. Phil might be a cool guy and a good PR man but his ideas have been a disaster.
In practice, the sub doesn't work that way though. If I am a person that primarily plays a particular genre and has little interest in anything else, sub retention is a bitch. I would bet that Xbox has so much turnover with the subscribers that it would have to see 100 million+ subs and a HUGE population of the hardest-core, genre agnostic gamers out there before the outlook was positive.Gamepass actually isn't flawed if you have enough hardware units sold and subs. If MS had hardware sales like Sony, and 60 million subs, the whole conversation is different. All the gravy/profit comes after that initial group of 30-40 million subs.
So here's a wild suggestion - how about getting those hardware sales and mindshare to the required point before launching a service like GP?Gamepass actually isn't flawed if you have enough hardware units sold and subs. If MS had hardware sales like Sony, and 60 million subs, the whole conversation is different. All the gravy/profit comes after that initial group of 30-40 million subs.
In practice, the sub doesn't work that way though. If I am a person that primarily plays a particular genre and has little interest in anything else, sub retention is a bitch. I would bet that Xbox has so much turnover with the subscribers that it would have to see 100 million+ subs and a HUGE population of the hardest-core, genre agnostic gamers out there before the outlook was positive.
Not to mention, forward compatibility doesn't really exist with gamepass — most people aren't using Xcloud to play these games. You have to count on your subscribers upgrading their PC hardware or buying into the next generation of consoles every now and then to even qualify for the service,
So here's a wild suggestion - how about getting those hardware sales and mindshare to the required point before launching a service like GP?
I think the ship sailed long ago. They had momentum with the Xbox 360 and squandered that away with the launch of the Xbox One. Even at the end of the 360's life cycle, its support kind of dried up.Not the worst idea, but when you are playing from behind, you try new things to try and move the people over. I'm certain that MS expected more people to move over becuase of gamepass. But like my post just before this stated, a lack of AAA story driven titles has made this a lot more difficult.
That and customer loyalty and great games on PS5 made it even harder.
I think the ship sailed long ago. They had momentum with the Xbox 360 and squandered that away with the launch of the Xbox One. Even at the end of the 360's life cycle, its support kind of dried up.
It'll be and insanely hard task to repeat the same sort of success today, if ever. Especially now seeing as the brands reputation and appeal is at an all time low.
I think the ship sailed long ago. They had momentum with the Xbox 360 and squandered that away with the launch of the Xbox One. Even at the end of the 360's life cycle, its support kind of dried up.
It'll be and insanely hard task to repeat the same sort of success today, if ever. Especially now seeing as the brands reputation and appeal is at an all time low.
It'll be a tough hill to climb for sure. With lack of interest and growth in subscription services and hardware. This generation is pretty much done for Xbox. Hence why the cancellation of a refresh and straight into the next. They'd have to show something really special, games wise for next gen otherwise that'll be that and MS will probably just call it and go further into publishing games as third party.Difficult for sure. I don't see it as impossible.
They have so many IP's still and a ton of really good developers, if they can string together some more games that people actually want, it could turn the tide at least from crappy to ok. I think a portable that easily and wirelessly hooks to a tv at a cheap price would be appealing to a lot of casuals. Keep gamepass relatively cheap, deliver some great games, and some new hardware, who knows.
They could even heavily subsidize a round of hardware to move more units if they really wanted.
Yeah for sure, the price of the console. The hardware, games and support were all top notch. It was the perfect storm for Microsoft since Sony was floundering with the PS3 in its initial years.Despite RROD , 360 is still their best offering. A brilliant console imo. Great controller that isn’t fucking noisy like the later ones, some great games and felt ahead of the curve in terms of UI/Features.
If they just stuck to that formula and improved on it and not tried to fix things that were not broken I doubt they would be in the position they are in now.
They talk far more these days more about where and how you play than what you actually play. They sell a console yet treat it like an afterthought and people wonder why it doesn’t sell as well as its competitors.
Look at Hellblade 2, it’s out next month and the marketing has been abject, minimal at best.
It pisses me off because if they had the right people running things , Xbox could be a brilliant and consistently brilliant console experience
How was spending $80b on a publisher that already largely had their games on your platform of choice a great move?Phil is doing a solid job in my opinion. I'm very satisfied with my Series X, I actually enjoy gamepass, I save a lot of money and that acquisition of Activision/blizzard/King was a great move. Only Xbox move I don't particularly like is the Series S.
No. It can't. Xbox screwed up so bad last gen and people invested into Sony and Nintendo ecosystem. Xbox as a console can't be saved. WIthout a console it's just 3rd party publisher.The Xbox brand cannot be saved? Oh please, the consoles haven’t been exploding, or killing small children in the middle of the night… a good PR campaign, new direction and tons of software, and they can be on top, given the industry weakness.
That would take a substantial investment, and as a MS investor, I’m not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Either way, Spencer is definitely not the person to spearhead the reset.
this is basically Phil Spencer's excuse. but don't we also have data that most people aren't using backwards compatibility. doesn't that indicate that people buy consoles to play new games and that therefore that people's library of games don't really factor as a decision to buy new consoles? even if we ignore ps3 games not working on ps4, the fact that switch comes out not BC w/ the wii u or 3ds and somehow still found success shows that the ecosystem argument is not true doesn't it?No. It can't. Xbox screwed up so bad last gen and people invested into Sony and Nintendo ecosystem. Xbox as a console can't be saved. WIthout a console it's just 3rd party publisher.
So take your "oh please..." bullshit and take it back to fantasy land on the unicorn you came on.
it’s because largely BC is more of a deal to the hardcore gamers who like to buy the new console at launch, by the time it’s really starting to sell to the mass market they’ll just buy new gamesthis is basically Phil Spencer's excuse. but don't we also have data that most people aren't using backwards compatibility. doesn't that indicate that people buy consoles to play new games and that therefore that people's library of games don't really factor as a decision to buy new consoles? even if we ignore ps3 games not working on ps4, the fact that switch comes out not BC w/ the wii u or 3ds and somehow still found success shows that the ecosystem argument is not true doesn't it?
edit: Ugh the way I wrote this argument is a mess; lots of rhetorical questions. But hopefully my point is clear.
I see what you mean. I know that there's a market for people who want to play these older games. I consider myself a hardcore gamer, but I stopped caring about ps3 games 10 years ago. I don't think I've played any ps4 games either since overwatch 2 came out and replaced overwatch 1. I think there are more people like me who mainly buy new consoles to play new games and the old stuff doesn't really matter that much.it’s because largely BC is more of a deal to the hardcore gamers who like to buy the new console at launch, by the time it’s really starting to sell to the mass market they’ll just buy new games
Xbox Series X is up there with the launch PS3 for being one of the best consoles out there for BC and yet neither sold amazingly well (PS3 took off when they put out the Slim which no longer had the PS2 BC so it seemed people cared more about the price)
I wish PlayStation would put in the work like Xbox to come up with a nice solution for PS3 BC and even have more PS1/PS2 stuff on PS5 as well but at least they brought back BC by having really solid PS4 BC for it showing that really the PS4 not being BC at all was more of an anomaly
I agree and that’s why I gave them a BTheir output has been pretty mediocre all things considered.