Zalusithix
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As the post before me points out, she's probably referring to chromatic aberration which is a side effect of the lenses. It's technically adjusted for in software, but not completely eliminated.
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HTC Vive Launch Thread -- Computer, activate holodeck
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As the post before me points out, she's probably referring to chromatic aberration which is a side effect of the lenses. It's technically adjusted for in software, but not completely eliminated.
Guardian Monkey
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How? Its not mathematically possible with a 5m cable unless your like 1m tall? Hell from the center of the side of a 3*4m space is pushing it for a normal adult.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, looks like it could be a number of things. Just got back from the movies so I can't do much troubleshooting tonight. Is there an easy way to tell which if any ports are USB2 vs 3 on my PC?
Lord Griegous
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Usually, USB3 ports are blue inside.
andrerobot
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What version of Windows are you using?
The camera stopped working after installing the latest Windows 10 Insider Slow Ring build. I had to reinstall plain old Windows 10 to make it work again.
Edit: And praise Jibbers, Audioshield is fantastic.
Well I guess that is the deal, when I get my new card it should hopefully correct the issue..
edit: Yeah I dunno, seems like it actually is something with the tracking. I'm also getting a weird "fan mirage" like it looks in the headset like I have a black ceiling fan? No idea how else to describe it. Will mess with it more tomorrow.
Just tried theBlu out and even with these issues the whale got me pretty good.
Well I guess that is the deal, when I get my new card it should hopefully correct the issue..
edit: Yeah I dunno, seems like it actually is something with the tracking. I'm also getting a weird "fan mirage" like it looks in the headset like I have a black ceiling fan? No idea how else to describe it. Will mess with it more tomorrow.
Just tried theBlu out and even with these issues the whale got me pretty good.
Tried disabling the onboard camera? That can cause issues for quite a few people. First thing I did was to turn it down to 30Hz
Compsiox
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Guys...its happening!!!
Someone made Xortex (The Lab spaceship game) into an actual game:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/477170/
Someone made Xortex (The Lab spaceship game) into an actual game:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/477170/
Zepp Twofist
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That's great. Along with Pool Nation and Home Improvisation it seems like we are getting some more polished games popping up.
And not that I don't love the tech demo stuff as well, but there is no reason why utter shit like "Eclipse --- Defending the motherland" should be allowed on Steam.
Fried Food
Banned
I don't know, seems a little early to think that this isn't just another short glorified tech demo
So we've been given a Vive review unit for the week... I thought I'd try running it on a GTX780, with an i7 920 and 8GB RAM to see just how hilariously bad my machine would be...
And it's phenomenal. There has been the odd framerate issue, but nothing that's caused me to be ill. I'm just absolutely amazed that my rig can run the damn thing! We're borrowing a higher spec machine to do some further testing, but... God damn, I've not been this impressed with a piece of tech since the first iPhone came along. Incredible stuff. The controllers are what make it, being able to reach out in the VR Space and grab the physical controllers is simply mind-bending!!
And it's phenomenal. There has been the odd framerate issue, but nothing that's caused me to be ill. I'm just absolutely amazed that my rig can run the damn thing! We're borrowing a higher spec machine to do some further testing, but... God damn, I've not been this impressed with a piece of tech since the first iPhone came along. Incredible stuff. The controllers are what make it, being able to reach out in the VR Space and grab the physical controllers is simply mind-bending!!
I got that in PCars the other day when I turned up the graphical details too much resulting in image artefacts, especially some weird black thingy above my head. I don't know, in my ignorant technical mind it could be the reprojection struggling because of low framerate.
DouglasteR
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After the oficial Elite´s Engineers update from yesterday, the text and labels are much better to read. Still not perfect thought, and its impossible to use SS in 2.0x without severe hellish stuttering.
Using a lot of options in medium, Vr quality at max and SS in 1.5x.
Using a lot of options in medium, Vr quality at max and SS in 1.5x.
Zalusithix
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I can't speak for the 780, but the 920 (assuming a healthy OC) handles most of the stuff well enough. It starts to choke a bit when dealing with physics heavy games that do all the calculations on the CPU though. Job Simulator is less than perfect for instance. Still, it's hard to complain when the processor is as old as it is.
i wonder if my 3770k and 750 Ti can do light VR games
Guardian Monkey
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cpu should be fine. gpu maybe hard pressed... you not getting another gpu?
GuitarAtomik
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I think what you're asking for is head bob or something like it. Unfortunately that specifically is a huge cause of nausea due to the fact that it's artificial camera movement and that's why all the games with traditional movement go for the floaty effect instead.
As far as the full body stuff goes, I think the problem is it's hard to accurately predict the position of your body (specifically your arm position which would be in your vision a lot) with the data they have access to and the moment the virtual body goes out of sync with your physical one your immersion is broken. Is it broken more than seeing nothing? I don't know. Most devs seem to be side stepping the issue for now, but I've seen some attempting to figure out ways to predict that stuff more accurately with what we have now. I think if more sensors ever becomes a more standard thing in the future, we'll see full bodies more often.
Teknopathetic
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A lot of devs have also said that they don't show elbows/arms because of different body sizes. If your arms are longer than the model's, you'll notice when you expect your hand to go further but can't.
Zalusithix
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Yeah, force induced head bob sounds like a nightmare. That's something that can bother people in traditional gaming, let alone in VR.
As for the body, devs are using IK to model where the body "should" be given the ridiculously low 3 data points they have to work with. Lots of guesswork though and leeway for error. Most are erring on the side of invisible bodies from the player's perspective because of this, but Raw Data I believe was going to give an option between an invisible, partially visible, and totally visible body. Apparently some find having a body more immersive, even with all the positional faults.
Personally, going by cockpit sims, I find a body annoying. It's not exactly like mine. It doesn't fool me to thinking it is mine. It pulls me out of the experience when I see it because I start to get that marionette feeling where I'm not there, but controlling somebody else that is. Once we can fully track all body points and accurately construct the skeleton and movements, I'm sure I'll be fine with a virtual body. For now though... nope.
I'm waiting for 1070 or AMD's offering
my Vive should arrived early June and i think I'll stay with 750 until July. new GPU usually got premium price for a few months here.
Well I guess that is the deal, when I get my new card it should hopefully correct the issue..
edit: Yeah I dunno, seems like it actually is something with the tracking. I'm also getting a weird "fan mirage" like it looks in the headset like I have a black ceiling fan? No idea how else to describe it. Will mess with it more tomorrow.
Just tried theBlu out and even with these issues the whale got me pretty good.
I get that message sometimes and I have a 5820k and 980ti. I think it pops a little too aggressively.
Zalusithix
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bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
I'm finding short Blink porting in Vanishing realms doesn't cause disorientation for me, and doesn't make me feel like i'm skipping past everything to much.
I just wish I could hold down on the top of the left touch pad and it would automatically repeat port in the direction I'm looking but at a slowish but steady pace and constant distance of about one walking pace (2 feet ish)
I just wish I could hold down on the top of the left touch pad and it would automatically repeat port in the direction I'm looking but at a slowish but steady pace and constant distance of about one walking pace (2 feet ish)
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
There is that and then there is the problem of doing arm IK when you don't have a shoulder sensor.
As a dev, I want full Mocap suits ASAP
. As a player I don't want to have to put on a mocap suit to play games in VR. I don't know how VR devices will solve this in the future. At the very least there needs to be a "belt" included with a sensor that tracks the direction of the pelvis. We need a constant sensor badly for doing a lot of math related stuff.
My directional teleportation works in that way (its WASD or Joystick Teleportation that allows you to strafe and go backwards). I might make a video showcasing it this afternoon. It works really well!
Thanks, that's another thing to try... the camera functionality itself is pretty sweet.
This is promising, or alternatively bad news, in that it doesn't sound like my jitter issue is really due to the strength of my rig.
I know just what you mean though. It's amazing how well the controllers are tracked, I can't get over how you can turn them over and watch the analog squeezing of the triggers in real-time- totally unnecessary but the kind of touch that really makes it work.
Most incredible to me is that I if set my controllers down on the futon in the room, something I will be doing often, which is outside my chaperone play area, they are just... there. They sit there, "floating" on the seat, still being tracked. I look around (with the headset on) when I want to pick them up and I just see them, physical objects I left lying on a futon, represented in a virtual world. I reach out and pick them up and I'm doing so in both virtual and actual reality. It's really something.
Good to know. The actual performance itself now that you mention it, outside of this jitter stuff, has seemed pretty solid.
Yeah, a weird black thingee above my head describes it really well, lol.
Lots to fiddle with tonight but hopefully I can solve it and try some actual games.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
You need one none rotational variable as a constant for a lot of stuff. The part of your body that can rotate the least is the pelvis. Thus you need a pelvis sensor that can constantly tell you which direction the torso is facing.
With a pelvis sensor you can more accurately tell a 3d body mesh where the player is and what direction they are facing. Then you can let the headset tell the body where the head is looking and if the player is leaning off of axis.
DouglasteR
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4790k@4.8ghz + 980ti.
It is worth even without VR, with VR is the definitive Space sim experience.
Too bad it's a bitch to set up with a controller. They really should have a few standard profiles there by default. I've spent more time trying to get my controls right than actually play the game
jellies_two
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A VR boxing game would be good
Something meaty and visceral but strictly sparring with two controllers against someone else, or an AI
Or maybe not maybe that's why there isn't one.
Something meaty and visceral but strictly sparring with two controllers against someone else, or an AI
Or maybe not maybe that's why there isn't one.
DouglasteR
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Wait till you see the small cooler above it.
Too bad it's a bitch to set up with a controller. They really should have a few standard profiles there by default. I've spent more time trying to get my controls right than actually play the game
I had really not a problem with the X-52, just plug and play (and ofc 1 month of memorising all the 348583 keys, options and functions necessary just for landing and manuvering), but for trading i use only the mouse + kb.
Zalusithix
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As a dev, I want full Mocap suits ASAP
I don't know how VR devices will solve this in the future. At the very least there needs to be a "belt" included with a sensor that tracks the direction of the pelvis. We need a constant sensor badly for doing a lot of math related stuff.
Theoretically with an array of leap motion type sensors encircling both a headset and a belt, combined with positional tracking of both of them, you could map the entire body without any need for a full tracking suit or tons of individual sensors. The feet might end up outside of the effective range of the belt though. Then there's the issue that overweight people would cause some level of occlusion via their gut. =P It'd also be rather computationally expensive with so many camera based depth arrays being merged into one skeleton. Then there's the cost... Still, theoretically possible.
I'm not sure how else you'd get an entire body accurately tracked without a suit or lots of individual sensors. Any external depth mapping solution would seemingly need an obscene resolution to create an accurate map at the distances needed for room scale.
Too bad it's a bitch to set up with a controller. They really should have a few standard profiles there by default. I've spent more time trying to get my controls right than actually play the game
I spent a bunch of time this morning continuing to work on my control profile with my CH setup. There's definitely a lot to sort out on that front. I haven't done anything of importance in that game yet because I keep getting sidetracked being amazed in the training missions floating by some asteroids or looking at my ship. Shit is crazy.
Hawk, we'll have to try and jump into BigScreen or AltSpace sometime, if you get your setup stuff sorted out. I got 'em set up at home now. Being around other actual people in VR is mega weird and awesome. Let me know if you wanna try it.
GuitarAtomik
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There is that and then there is the problem of doing arm IK when you don't have a shoulder sensor.
As a dev, I want full Mocap suits ASAP
I don't know how VR devices will solve this in the future. At the very least there needs to be a "belt" included with a sensor that tracks the direction of the pelvis. We need a constant sensor badly for doing a lot of math related stuff.
I'm curious if regular cameras are the most frictionless way to go for it in the future. Software has come a long way being able to determine depth and position from even a single camera and I've seen some impressive demo stuff from the PS4's 3D camera as well. No IR lasers needed. I could see a point down the line where the lighthouses also include a camera which, in concert with the controllers and headset, could give you the rest of the data you needed to do pretty accurate body tracking.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
cool! i'll definitely check it out once its posted
Sounds good. What are they actually for, are they just like VR chat/hangout apps?
VVV Mars VG
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Sadly it doesn't look anywhere near as good as Xortex and lacks the creativity and invention demonstrated in its potential.
That's kind of what AltSpace is. There are different rooms for different purposes like a big maze, some game rooms, YouTube rooms, whatever. They had some live comedy show there yesterday I guess.
BigScreen is more like a VR apartment mixed with Virtual Desktop. You can have a bunch of people connected to the same space, and you can see the desktop screen of each person, so you can either like all sit around and use the same screen (made much larger for everyone) or just use your own screens and talk.
Ever since playing the chef job in Job Simulator I've had this stuck in my head... https://soundcloud.com/owlchemylabs/job-simulator-you-are-a-model-human-ft-commander-meouch-of-twrp
DouglasteR
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Its the music of the chef job´s cd player boombox ? (cant open soundclound on my job)
I am with it stuck as well ! So gooood.
What GPU do you have? Is there still a lot of shimmering and blurriness when looking out into space?
qa_engineer
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VR sculpting application with export to Unity, U3D, and Maya
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4lbhu6/coming_soon_to_vive_roomscale_sculpting_tool_with/
https://youtu.be/Gh33IkBLmxE
Simply amazing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4lbhu6/coming_soon_to_vive_roomscale_sculpting_tool_with/
https://youtu.be/Gh33IkBLmxE
Simply amazing.
thiscoldblack
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An easy solution would be stretch your arms with the controllers (point A) and then touch your shoulders with the controllers (point B). They can also be more precise and with one arm stretched and with a controller touch the hand (point A), elbow (point C), and shoulder (point B). The game should adjust the length of the arms based on that.
This has been the biggest "Holy shit" moment for the people who've used the Vive so far. The controllers being "there" is just phenomenal. The first time I gave it to a friend and held them out in front of him, he just started laughing and didn't stop for a good minute or 2. It's ridiculous
Zalusithix
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The far bigger issue is that you have no true idea of what the heck the arms are doing even with perfect dimensions. You only know the position of an object in the hand. That's not enough information to extrapolate the exact arm position. You can get a pose that can reasonably be had by a human for that hand position in relation to the head, but you can't get the pose that the user is making. Perfect dimensions with a fudged pose isn't really any better than fudged dimensions with a fudged pose.
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