Huge Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch Retcon in Axis #7 (SPOILERS)
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Oh. my. god.
We still have Secret Wars coming up.
Manmademan
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He was their original father
Manmademan
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yeah, I just went and looked that one up. That's an obscure reference, even for you.
here's some bonus points for you.
Reading that, It looks like the question of their actual parentage isn't new at all- though you would have thought someone would have done a DNA Test by now.
yeah, I just went and looked that one up. That's an obscure reference, even for you.
here's some bonus points for you.
Reading that, It looks like the question of their actual parentage isn't new at all- though you would have thought someone would have done a DNA Test by now.
I do try, it's these little things that make comics fun.
Manmademan
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Correct, though this is only one of many, many examples where those two not being mutants would have complicated things.
House of M is another one, for similar reasons.
shinra-bansho
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Mutants/X-Men are still too important as brands to Marvel for them to actually do anything too drastic.
(In comparison the Fantastic Four simply hasn't been very popular for a while now, and I can see the cancellation could make perfect sense even without any conspiracy.)
If the film rights go unused for too long, they are reclaimed by Marvel. At which point they'll probably be retconned back or something.
They're clearly pushing Inhumans as a substitute in terms of developing new superpowered characters though. Of their optioned film rights, the X-Men/mutants are probably the least likely to return so it makes sense given there's no point trying to create breakout new characters only to be unable to use them in film.
Fox already lost the rights to Daredevil, Elektra, Kingpin et al.
When what sounds like a clusterfuck of a Fantastic Four movie bombs, I don't think they'll be so adamant about holding onto those.
Meanwhile, Sony seems to have no idea what to do with Spider-Man, and the lucrative merchandise rights have already been sold back.
And while the recent X-Men films have been good, I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin it eventually.
(In comparison the Fantastic Four simply hasn't been very popular for a while now, and I can see the cancellation could make perfect sense even without any conspiracy.)
If the film rights go unused for too long, they are reclaimed by Marvel. At which point they'll probably be retconned back or something.
They're clearly pushing Inhumans as a substitute in terms of developing new superpowered characters though. Of their optioned film rights, the X-Men/mutants are probably the least likely to return so it makes sense given there's no point trying to create breakout new characters only to be unable to use them in film.
Fox already lost the rights to Daredevil, Elektra, Kingpin et al.
When what sounds like a clusterfuck of a Fantastic Four movie bombs, I don't think they'll be so adamant about holding onto those.
Meanwhile, Sony seems to have no idea what to do with Spider-Man, and the lucrative merchandise rights have already been sold back.
And while the recent X-Men films have been good, I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin it eventually.
Red Mage
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Oh, good. I thought I was the only one who hated her. I wish she'd retcon herself out of existence at this point.
Byakuya769
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That IS surprising.
Manmademan
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This has been discussed before, and isn't accurate.
Marvel drastically reduced the mutant population to only a couple hundred after house of M in "decimation" a decade or so ago.
They chose to reverse this decision in AVX two years ago, exploding the mutant population back into relevance- they are now actively creating more characters and mutants are no longer extinct. marvel has also just created an entire team of new mutant heroes in the current "Uncanny X-men" Run as well as several new evil ones with the "brotherhood", and established that mutants remain dominant several decades into the future with "Battle of the Atom." someone even elected Dazzler president of the united states.
If marvel actually intended to "sideline" mutants, none of that would be happening.
Inhumans just dont have as good a hook as X-Men and mutants (which imo is the best in comics and in many ways has been underutilized in favor of standard superheroics). They are gonna turn them into a pale imitation.
Isnt that mainly because X-Men is just too big to sideline? Its leaving money on the table, especially with Fox having gotten their groove back with the films.
Manmademan
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inhumans have surprisingly been a non-entity in the major crossover events so far as well, while the X-men play a central role.
"Spider Man and the X-men" just launched this week as well, so there's more mutant books than inhuman books running around by an order of magnitude or so.
yes it is. People forget that the appeal of marvel is that it's a shared universe, and Marvel has taken great pains to integrate mutants MORE firmly into the events of the mainstream marvel universe, not less. back in the 90s the X-books may as well have been a separate imprint from spidey/avengers/hulk/etc. These days they are heavily integrated into the avengers roster, and books like "uncanny avengers", "new warriors" and "spider man and the X-men" make a point out of promoting hybrid teams.
you can't simply remove or sideline mutants or the xmen at this point, and nothing marvel is actually doing points to marvel even wanting to.
shinra-bansho
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I don't think they intend to sideline mutants. I think they'll continue to be an important part of the comic universe. They're too big a brand to sideline. And they'll want to maintain the strength of that brand in the event they do reclaim the rights anyway.
But I don't think events around the Inhumans in the comics, and a planned feature film and the empowering of a character from their television property via terrigenesis as a way of introducing superpowers to the MCU is all coincidence. Feige doth protest too much, this is clearly how they intend to introduce supers into the MCU in lieu of mutants.
darkhunger
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The trolling of Fox a fairly recent phenomenon that really accelerated in recent months.
And it's probably got more to do with Fox's unwillingness to play ball with Disney (ie, they were offered the same deal that Marvel offered to Sony to buy back the merchandise rights but declined; and they refused to trade Galactus and Silver Surfer for the rights to retain Daredevil a few years back), then Marvel trying to force the rights back. There's probably no chance of the latter ever happening.
Fox simply doesn't have as good a relationship with Disney as Sony does... And they don't need to since they are a much healthier company and fiercer competitor.
Is the Gaiman run worth reading?
haha oh god i hope they go back to this.
Manmademan
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you're not quite following me.
Marvel is perfectly capable of promoting a concept that's been gathering dust (the inhumans) to fill holes in their film lineup left by not having use of mutants or the X-men. that's obviously taking place.
What I am saying is that the inhumans are not being promoted INSTEAD OF mutants- especially where the books are concerned. There have been a metric ton of new mutant characters in the last few months, including one that marvel is claiming is the most powerful mutant they've ever created.
Marvel is ramping up the prominence of the X-men and Mutants in general, and incorporating them more tightly within their non mutant titles. At the same time they're increasing the presence of the inhumans, though not to the degree that they are the X-men currently in their print properties.
I was never that into X-Men, but knowing Magneto's agenda from the cartoon and some reading, this development sounds kind of devastating for the character. While this is certainly part-marketing for MCU, one has to wonder how it will affect the character.
As for the Inhumans setup, it's fascinating how they are essentially given traits of both X-Men (being a special "race") and Fantastic Four (having a royal family). I can see Marvel using F4 and X-Men themes for Inhumans going forward. On one hand, it would be sad for the previous characters (including huge names like Wolverine and Mister Fantastic) to not receive their deserved exposure. On the other hand, with what MCU and Marvel Studios have done for the industry, it's perfectly understandable that Disney/Marvel move in a way that serves the bigger picture -- and as great as old characters are, new giants like Guardians of the Galaxy and the Inhumans are very exciting.
Hopefully, X-Men and Fantastic Four will continue to be represented through their comics and Fox's work. And with both sides (Disney and Fox) walking this path of no return, one has to hope neither of them screws up.
As for the Inhumans setup, it's fascinating how they are essentially given traits of both X-Men (being a special "race") and Fantastic Four (having a royal family). I can see Marvel using F4 and X-Men themes for Inhumans going forward. On one hand, it would be sad for the previous characters (including huge names like Wolverine and Mister Fantastic) to not receive their deserved exposure. On the other hand, with what MCU and Marvel Studios have done for the industry, it's perfectly understandable that Disney/Marvel move in a way that serves the bigger picture -- and as great as old characters are, new giants like Guardians of the Galaxy and the Inhumans are very exciting.
Hopefully, X-Men and Fantastic Four will continue to be represented through their comics and Fox's work. And with both sides (Disney and Fox) walking this path of no return, one has to hope neither of them screws up.
Manmademan
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this has only happened once, with Quicksilver and Crystal of the inhumans. the genes more or less cancel out, and the child is baseline human- though that child WAS eventually given permanent abilities via the terrigen crystals.
True.
And became an asshole. But between be Inhuman royalty and the daughter of Quicksilver, she had no chance.
shinra-bansho
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Wait.... not sure if anyone else has considered it already... but does this mean Wanda just killed her sons Billy Kaplan and Thomas Shepherd as well???
Speculation about the post-credits scene in the mid-season AoS finale is that the character is the inhuman Reader, for instance.
I think I get what you're saying. And I don't necessarily mean as a substitute to creating new mutant characters, per se, but rather in creating new characters that they can freely use in film and television without any rights issues.
Speculation about the post-credits scene in the mid-season AoS finale is that the character is the inhuman Reader, for instance.
Oh is that how they eventually explained them? Been a long time since I've been actively reading anything but Fables.
Can't kill pieces of an elder demon's soul.
If there is one thing Quicksilver and the Inhumans are good at, its being assholes.
yeah that is what makes them so great. Black Bolt and Black Panther understand what it means to be kings.
Manmademan
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I think we're on the same page then. There are a lot of wild (and baseless) rumors floating around that marvel is somehow going to cease promoting the xmen, create new characters, or even retcon the x-books out of 616 entirely because of the whole fox business.
This obviously isn't happening, and marvel is still very much invested in promoting the x-books and characters as part of the business. We're currently in the midst of a boom with comic properties on the screen, but marvel isn't dumb enough to think that the era of being able to release billion dollar grossing films every year is going to last forever. Blowing up the core of their business and pissing off long term fans over a dispute with fox is nonsensical.
Where they can't use mutants (film) the inhumans have been brought in to fill a hole in the lineup- this isn't a grand conspiracy, just business. GOTG was a similar D-list property they used successfully to the same effect, and all indications are that GOTG will expand cosmic marvel and continue to exist alongside the earth based Avengers properties. The inhumans are expansion, not substitution.
Sho_Nuff82
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yeah it was pretty good.
So was she born with those stupid things in her hair?
Manmademan
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Nothing like commenting on how "childish" comics are, via your account on a video games message board and forum.
Pot, kettle. have you met?
crimzonflame
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Im so glad I stopped reading Marvel comics 10 years ago
Glass Rebel
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Literally nothing.
BobTheFork
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I thought this was the very thing Original Sin was created for. I surprised they didn't do this during that min-series.
Duane Cunningham
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Those are inhuman hair decorations. Here is Luna with braids with her Auntie
IF that's still her auntie
KidGalactus
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Movie shit...
Nothing. Fanboys is this thread acting like Marvel is trying to get right back rights (or taken away I'm not sure at this point) by changing things in the comics are loons.
It comes from the same thought space as "Marvel cancelled the FF book to spite fox. Totally not because of sales" conspiracies. The comics don't effect the movies in any way and nobody knows this better than Marvel.
You shouldn't be. You missed out on a lot of god-tier runs.
Mac the KNife
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They should have had Doom convulse with Quicksilver to heighten the DRAMA.
I consider that Marvel's peak, so I can't really blame you.
Amen. Life is good in the tower.
I consider that Marvel's peak, so I can't really blame you.
Amen. Life is good in the tower.
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