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Hurricane Ike: People Not Evacuating Face "Certain Death"
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captive said:
Well one thing is for certain.
We knew the levees wouldnt hold anything above cat 3, and there were complaints about water seepage into peoples' backyards all along the levee - documented for a year and a half prior to Katrina, and nothing was done locally or federally (the levees were engineered by the Corps of Engineers and federal).
There is plenty of blame to go around, but its no single entities fault.
I just get really touchy hearing so many armchair critiques by people who don't look at the full story. It's such a complex situation, and I'm already watching history tell the story incorrectly.
Dirtbag 504 said:
I don't think any of that matters. I think the outlook of most Texans, as well as most small town folk are alot different than people from big cities. Further, I don't think you'd see any Texans, despite having way more guns than Louisiana, shooting at rescue choppers.
Of course there's probably lots of other things at work as well, economic demographics, distribution of wealth in the state, State government not totally incompetent, etc etc.
I'm talking about rebuilding and who could weather a disaster better, not who can hold their breath longer while sitting in their attic filled with water. It's not like I'm saying this was nothing short of terrible, or that NO was nothing short of terrible, I'm just saying the area will rebuild.Hitokage said:
This son of a bitch grew a tail. Started pouring again out of no where...
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...teractive/77081&mapdest=US_Current_Weather:SC
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/...teractive/77081&mapdest=US_Current_Weather:SC
SSGMUN10000
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Miguel said:
Yup and its starting to flood places that were not flooded before
By some bizarre luck, my apartment in the North Shore area has power. Guess it figures that the bachelor dude with no family/kid would have electricity. My brother, his wife and kid are "hunkering" down here now. Still no Internet, so I'm just using a spotty off-and-on connection via my cellphone as a modem.
We were fortunate for the most part. None of my family that I'm aware of has been hurt. Although some of my friend's family has basically lost everything. About the worst I've seen happened to my folk's cars...
We were fortunate for the most part. None of my family that I'm aware of has been hurt. Although some of my friend's family has basically lost everything. About the worst I've seen happened to my folk's cars...
Oh whatever dude.mAcOdIn said:
Sure it's different, your a different city and their wouldn't be standing waters in houston like there was in New Orleans, a major factor limiting the long arm of the law and hurting rescue efforts causing things to escalate quickly. Imagine a police officer that can't respond to any calls because he is flooded into his area.. and basically has to do his beat on foot. Then how do you arrest someone, where do you take them? What do you do with this criminal now that you've got him, catching a criminal just makes that single police officer even more immobile. Also, the entire cell phone network went down in New Orleans for days, another factor most fail to realize... basically cutting everyone off from each other and limiting communications.
The bottom line is, no hurricane will ever play out like Katrina did again, but that doesnt mean you wouldnt have new, different, and unforeseen problems you can't plan for.
It's got nothing to do with the attitude of New Orleans, but everything to do with the opportunistic criminals that stayed behind and a strained and immobile police force (that received zero aid from the Army until 5 days after the fact) that was mostly too pre-occupied with rescue. You throw that problem at ANY American city, and watch what your criminals do.
And don't forget that most of the general populace evacuated and was barred from re-entry by police blockaids further limiting your neighborhood militia factor allowing the bad apples to run wild.
North Houston:
Damn finally the power is back on. Then again...there are still plenty of people with no power or ice or anything for that matter. The few stores that are open have huge lines in front of them, and alot of the smaller bodies of water have engulfed bridges. Lots of damage outside of our apartments. Some apartments have all their shingles missing, There were a few vehicles crushed by trees.
Man if things suck this much after just 1 day without power + a storm, i'd hate to see a nationwide disaster.
Snagged some charcoal and 2 more jugs of water. Galveston unfortunatly got totally blitzed. Its completely underwater.
Damn finally the power is back on. Then again...there are still plenty of people with no power or ice or anything for that matter. The few stores that are open have huge lines in front of them, and alot of the smaller bodies of water have engulfed bridges. Lots of damage outside of our apartments. Some apartments have all their shingles missing, There were a few vehicles crushed by trees.
Man if things suck this much after just 1 day without power + a storm, i'd hate to see a nationwide disaster.
Snagged some charcoal and 2 more jugs of water. Galveston unfortunatly got totally blitzed. Its completely underwater.
Considering Ike made a last minute jog to the north it could have saved a lot of peoples lives. The storm surge would have been 8 feet higher on Galveston Island. Thats why the warning was given out. Considering some of the stories that have come out a lot of people are really lucky this happened because they were too retarded to evacuate. So no the message really wasnt over the top and people just dont realize how lucky they were.j-wood said:
Wow Im just south of you and have no damage like that what so ever. Sorry to hear that man.Jewbacca said:
Stupid comcrap has been working off and on all day. I am one of the lucky ones with power though.
Now i just need to explain to my roommate the gravity of the situation of whats going on...
We have no bottled water, so the second she realizes we have running water again what does she do? Take a fucking shower.
Lloyd Dobler
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I live in a newer neighborhood and we already have power and only had minor wind damage in League City about a mile or two from the Kemah boardwalk. Others aren't so lucky.
EDIT: Also, went down to my hometown in Texas City and the Dike is completely gone, along with all the buildings and piers that were on it. The surge made it up about halfway the Seawall on Skyline Dr.
EDIT: Also, went down to my hometown in Texas City and the Dike is completely gone, along with all the buildings and piers that were on it. The surge made it up about halfway the Seawall on Skyline Dr.
Looks like the people here are starting to get frustrated with FEMA. No relief supplies have arrived yet (food/water/ice etc.) and they only say "It's on its way." without giving an ETA.
Things didnt end up as bad here in Angleton as Houston so I cant really comment on FEMA though...
Also the Mayor seemed pissed...
Things didnt end up as bad here in Angleton as Houston so I cant really comment on FEMA though...
Also the Mayor seemed pissed...
Spike Spiegel
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Today I was heading east on I-10, and saw easily several hundred bucket trucks, utility vehicles, EMS units, and flatbed trailers carrying generators light banks and electrical equipment, all headed west towards the affected areas of Louisiana and Texas. Just a f*cking immense convoy of vehicles, in columns and interspered among returning Texas residents. An awesome sight.
Spike Spiegel said:
I did relief work during hurricane katrina and had the pleasure of watching the army 'land' and assemble. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. So organized.
I say 'land' because most of it was convoys pulling up on the interstate, the other portions was helicopters. They setup right there on the interstate by key intersections. We watched it for over an hour. It was inspiring, to say the least.
Tyrone Slothrop
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sure am glad i decided to hightail it to austin throughout all this. one of the best decisions i've ever made.
i knew it'd be bad, but i didn't expect things to be *this* bad. or not in north houston, at least. i think i'll stay here until wednesday or so.
i knew it'd be bad, but i didn't expect things to be *this* bad. or not in north houston, at least. i think i'll stay here until wednesday or so.
This storm will definitely go down as one of the most expensive on record. It came up on us here in Houston so fast and for a long time looked like it was hitting Corpus Christi instead. Unless you live on the island or along the bay, the worst part of this storm is the aftermath. You really take AC(and Internet!) for granted until its gone, and the grocery store situation here is crazy! A buddy of mine had to wait an hour for a couple of cans of spaghettios and a case of mountain dew; no ice, no bottle water, gas is just as bad.
The good thing to come out of this storm is that the community really did come together to help each other. Normally everyone keeps to themselves, but in the hours before the storm neighbors were helping each other with boarding up their houses, and after the storm they were out cutting down the trees that fell and picking up the shingles that were everywhere, it really was a sight to see. I guess we'll see what happens in the coming days, but with some areas possibly not getting electricity back for 2-4 weeks, let alone the horrendous damage to the beach-front communities, there's still a long time till everything is back to normal.
The good thing to come out of this storm is that the community really did come together to help each other. Normally everyone keeps to themselves, but in the hours before the storm neighbors were helping each other with boarding up their houses, and after the storm they were out cutting down the trees that fell and picking up the shingles that were everywhere, it really was a sight to see. I guess we'll see what happens in the coming days, but with some areas possibly not getting electricity back for 2-4 weeks, let alone the horrendous damage to the beach-front communities, there's still a long time till everything is back to normal.
j-wood said:
The main problem was that all the news just ran the "certain death" headline without always clearly qualifying it. These warnings were just for certain types of houses in certain areas (mainly places directly on the coast) and from what I've seen of these areas there are plenty of houses completely washed out to sea. That is most definitely "certain death".
Yup everyone in Houston is in the oil business. We'll be just fine cause of that, not because of insurance or because of all the healthcare facilities or technology sectors in the city or many other industries in the city.Tideas said:
Personally i got two oil derricks in my back yard.
Phoenix
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Hopefully this means that in the future people will actually listen to the warnings as opposed to making "we don't like in a bowl like New Orleans" rationalizations. A hurricane is a hurricane. All our sea walls do is minimize the damage from strong hurricanes - that's just the reality of it.
I dont think they stayed because they were saying we dont live in a bowl like NOLA. I think a lot of people thought the media was hyping it up. The fact that it was "only a category 2,"(this is misleading in of itself) and the fact that there are in fact many buildings in Galveston that survived "the Great Storm" of 1900.Phoenix said:
Also many were saying that last time "next time im going to listen to the warnings" it seems it has to happen to some people for them to believe it. I have heard countless interviews with survivors saying next time they are leaving.
metalmania4evr
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I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, and we just had winds today up to 75mph. Trees were down on almost every side street I took, I saw an aluminum frame of some sort (heavy ntl) fall 50ft onto an oncoming car fucking this dude up bad. There about 1,000,000 residents in my area that are completely without power. Some surrounding cities don't even have any power at all. I really did not expect this shit to happen this far north from Texas. The last time we had hurricane winds was a little over a hundred years ago. Shit got real.
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