Thaedolus
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Well if you believe all this then they'd be right.2500$, barely works has to run 50 different programs to just get past the main menu and if you dare to say that they will say “you just don’t know how to work a computer”
Well if you believe all this then they'd be right.2500$, barely works has to run 50 different programs to just get past the main menu and if you dare to say that they will say “you just don’t know how to work a computer”
2500$, barely works has to run 50 different programs to just get past the main menu and if you dare to say that they will say “you just don’t know how to work a computer”
Ive definitely seen people get snarky if the gane is sub 4k. Or atleast definitely get snarky if the game is sub 4k at 30fps.because they equate 4k as the most important thing for fidelity modes. Which is also wrong.I'm a 60 Fps advocate, and in all the post I've read, I've yet to see anyone ask for 4k/60.
I can't speak for everyone, but from what I can tell, most people know you have to sacrifice for 60 Fps, it's just that most people find it worth it.
Games were 60fps until 3D, which started going from 20 to 40, and then we ended up at 60fps there too late decade, even the 360 era for most games outside some early HD struggles. Since PS4 and One we have been running backwards.Every new release we have this discussion "oh it's unplayable"...
You forgot playing your fav games on previous platforms?
backawrds? framerates after 360 and ps3 are much more stable if not straight up 60.Games were 60fps until 3D, which started going from 20 to 40, and then we ended up at 60fps there too late decade, even the 360 era for most games outside some early HD struggles. Since PS4 and One we have been running backwards.
As someone who has nearly 2k hours in Destiny the experience was surpassed when I played on m+kb @ 120fps and 4k. That's what people aren't getting, higher framerate can make a game go from being bearable to actually enjoyable and feel lioe an entirely different game.All the people acting like Zelda TotK and Starfield is beneath them is ludicrous.
Did they snub their noses at Bloodbourne, Halo (pre 2014) and Destiny 1?
in many ways those experiences have yet to be matched again.
You're talking about the early HD struggles I mentioned, years in 60fps was much more common for more complex games than the previous gen which also 60fps focused. Any games still 30fps were stable.backawrds? framerates after 360 and ps3 are much more stable if not straight up 60.
To have a stable 30 fps game on 360 would be considered a dream scenario lol.
This shows you never understood PC gaming. It's just so much more. I can't believe what I'm reading holy fucking shit.This shows you never understood my previous post then.
I am saying that moving from console to pc with less than a 3080 is kinda a waste. You move to pc to have a significant upgrade. Not only barely better.
are you joking with me right now?This shows you never understood PC gaming. It's just so much more. I can't believe what I'm reading holy fucking shit.
trans-hardware non-binary fps conformistedit: I might have some trouble exploring my "gaming identity" but recently I am finding myself more on the chill console side rather than annoying pcmr. Not that it has anything to do with this topic or 30fps mind you.
It wasn't my exact intent to convince people to like 30fps.OP, thats all bullshit. 30 fps never felt good to me. Even on older consoles. Just cause a standard has been there for a long time doesnt mean we cant move on.
60 fps has so many benefits, more fluid motion, better input handling, more responsive handling. 30 fp needs neds to die. GTFO here with this 30 fps is ok bullshit. Its 2023, these current consoles are more than capable of doing 60 fps - if takes a year longer to do do, then so be it!
But dont sit there and say 30 is acceptable, its not. Especially if the only option - thats completely backwards.
You absolutely can use a PC like a console connected to your tv with a long HDMI cable. Steam Big Picture mode is awesome now, just like the steam deck. If you have other launchers, you can combine them all with Playnite and that is also awesome.I would 100% build a pc if I could use it like a console. If I could have a wireless controller where I can drop onto my chair, power it up, go to games, I’m in. But to knowledge I can’t, can I?
I’m wondering if I could just use a long hdmi cable (as a work around and put the computer somewhere more accessible?) or would that create lag or other issues.
Fuck that shit.30 fps is absolutely fine for the vast majority of games
If you’re not a twitch shooter, it’s totally unnecessary
Options are always welcome but not at the expense of limiting development
Every new release we have this discussion "oh it's unplayable"...
You forgot playing your fav games on previous platforms? Your best games were or still are 30fps and you had a blast playing them.
Remember how much fan you used to have with games.
How much you were in awe of new graphics.
Remember the hard boss which required a very fast input response which you had no problem beating in old 30fps games.
To say all of that doesn't matter anymore is nonsense.
I know the argument "but the time moves forward and things change". Yes... and no. Fun never changes. Only your standards do but don't fool yourself, you can't have fun again. Don't become a slave of your standards.
The argument that new tech is more demanding is valid of course. yes, 4k tvs will expose how shitty 720p games look or oled tvs will expose judder at 30fps... but that's only a part of it.
Just because you somehow only now in 2022 discovered 60fps, does not mean the world has ended and "my eyes hurt" when playing at 30fps. It's crazy and shortsighted. just play for 10 minutes.
Let's also not forget. 30fps is not all created equally. Demons Souls 30fps mode got 75ms more input lag than 30fps in bloodborne.... which is snappier than some 60fps gamest this gen.
yes. Bloodborne traded some frame pacing for that fast input response... but so what? It's still the best game ever probably. We played the shit out of it and never once we cared for some stutters here and there... or 30fps at all.
(towards end of the vid it's explained why bloodborne feels so good):
Then there is this huge attack on motion blur and other effects because pcmr said so. I don't know if people still think of motion blur as that gta3 effect. No it's not it. We are talking about a positive, high quality effect.
These methods were invented to improve the experience. Sure, they can go overboard at times but 30fps with good quality motion blur feels 10x better. Remember Lost Planet? exactly.
And especially now, in times of oled, 30fps without motion blur is very juddery.
Take a look here. It's camera and shutter speed so not exactly the same but the point is, if you have low qty of frames, you need each frame to capture the motion that happens in the time the frame is displayed. Not to have each frame be a time freeze picture.
And I got too technical again... and that proves my point. Who cares about any of that? Why does it matter? Don't we just want to play a breathtaking game?
I am gaming for 30 years. I had crt monitors (still have), 240hz monitors, 144 hz monitors compared a lot of gear side by side, spent hours and hours setting .ini files. It is all a time wasted not playing.
You think I remember Dark Souls 1 as a terrible low fps experience it would be nowadays? No. I remember it as a game that changed my life.
You think it bothered me that edf 2017 runs at 10fps in coop during last few missions?! No.... ok a bit but it was so much fun. I remember drinking and having fun with my friend.
Worst case scenario, we are getting very nice and stable 30fps on some games this gen and people still riot.
Remember... it's all about the game. It's all about the experience. You can have a good experience at 30fps. You had good experience at 30fps for past 20 years. You can do it. You just need to give yourself a chance and if the game is not broken, it's fine.
Disclaimer - I am not saying 60,120,240fps is not better. of course it is. But it's not the point of gaming. The point of gaming... is to have an experience and enjoy yourself. If You are avoiding 30fps games because it is unplayable, it is a total nonsense. To discard a possibly ground breaking games. To discard your maybe new favorite games because the fps is not 60? Say goodbye to ever playing dark souls when it release, uncharted games, gears, gta games...
Yeah, I finished tlou2 and death stranding on ps4 at 30fps.... and I will finish them again at 60fps as it released. But the 30fps was needed at the time to created the experience.
If You still can't deal with that... just please, get a pc and enjoy your passion there.
99.9% of the people in the world don't even know what FPS is. So agreed, it doesn't matter at all. A shitty game is a shitty game even if it plays at 120 fps. Notice people only complain about FPS for the "good" games
Most people that play video games know what framerate is, or at the very least, understand the concept of their game lagging. Lagging is annoying to anyone that plays video games. The fact that 99.99% of the people that don't play games have any idea about framerate is completely irrelevant.99.9% of the people in the world don't even know what FPS is. So agreed, it doesn't matter at all. A shitty game is a shitty game even if it plays at 120 fps. Notice people only complain about FPS for the "good" games
It's console warring, nothing more than selective outrage. There will be more 30fps games in the future for both platforms as the generation progresses. You better believe that the toughest games runing Unreal Engine 5 using Lumen and nanite, will be outputing at 30fps at resolutions of 1440p and lower.
Remember how everyone was going bananas for this? Where was the outrage over the 30fps? Selective outage at it's finest. And I get that UE5 looks amazing, but no one is asking if Starfield is or will be an amazing game at the end of the day, the only concern is the framerate, without knowing what would otherwise need to be changed.
There's a difference between sustained 30fps and max 30 fps where it can dip below and look like trash.The matrix reloaded demo too. Looks great and was 30fps.
60fps is absolutely necessary for the vast majority of games.30 fps is absolutely fine for the vast majority of games
If you’re not a twitch shooter, it’s totally unnecessary
At what cost though?
That's not true at all. This is the cable I'm using. 15 meters, full 2.1 support.
RUIPRO 8K HDMI Glasvezel Ultra-gecertificeerde kabel 15 meter HDMI 2.1 48Gbps 8K@60Hz 4K@120Hz Dynamic HDR, eARC, HDCP 2.2 Slim Flexible voor LG Samsung TCL Sony RTX 3080 3090 Xbox PS5/4 : Amazon.nl: Elektronica
RUIPRO 8K HDMI Glasvezel Ultra-gecertificeerde kabel 15 meter HDMI 2.1 48Gbps 8K@60Hz 4K@120Hz Dynamic HDR, eARC, HDCP 2.2 Slim Flexible voor LG Samsung TCL Sony RTX 3080 3090 Xbox PS5/4 : Amazon.nl: Elektronicawww.amazon.nl
Not familiar with playnite. Any info you can share?You absolutely can use a PC like a console connected to your tv with a long HDMI cable. Steam Big Picture mode is awesome now, just like the steam deck. If you have other launchers, you can combine them all with Playnite and that is also awesome.
Is that what the 59 in your nick represents? Man, that must have been a traumatic experience.I remember I was once playing a game and it was the best game of all time, but then it dropped to 59 FPS for a second and I was furious, instantly uninstalled and gave it 1 star, sometimes I just stare at a black screen that's at 240fps and it's amazing, why play games when you can play framerate?
Show us you playing a game at 0 fps.why play games when you can play framerate?
Not necessarily. Some games aren’t as simple as a downscaled res and may be pushing other bottlenecks such as the CPU or RAM.Every game should have 60fps option on ps5 and Xbox, if you the want the best graphics, then use 30fps mode, simple
PS5 is bad in 2023 and 30 FPS is a bad pathetic target.I am saying that moving from console to pc with less than a 3080 is kinda a waste.
Cry more, people have standards and 30 fps is piss poor. You may as well settle and eat food from a garbage can instead of a home cooked meal.