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[·feist·]

$130 - Micron 64GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=C40064G25&show=p

$245 - Micron 128GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...28GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

$920 - Micron 512GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...12GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

Crucial M4/Micron C400

Micron RealSSD™ C400 Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PiMg5562Pw

C400 SSD Benchmark Results—Yeah, It’s Fast
http://www.micronblogs.com/2011/03/c400-ssd-benchmark-results—yeah-it’s-fast/

Crucial M4 256GB SATA 3 SSD Review – Unexpected Performance in a Small Package
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews...-–-unexpected-performance-in-a-small-package/

 

[flsh]

I'm about to buy 2 Sapphire HD 6950 cards, flash them to 6970 and crossfire them.
Two things I want to know - will an 850W PSU manage that? It will be a strictly gaming PC so there's a good chance it will be on full load or near that most of the time.
The second thing I want to know is, would it be better to buy two VGA coolers or is the stock cooler good enough if I want to flash the card and run it in 6970 speeds?

The PSU I'm getting is a Corsair TX850W and I'll also be OCing an i5 2500K CPU. There will only be 1 HDD.

 

[Shambles]

Good to see sub 2$/GB launch prices on the C400. Now to see what the 128GB models performance is

 

[Quicksilver4648]

With all this talk that motherboards don't really support 5.1 I have a question. I plan on getting an Asus P8P67 Pro which has a toslink optical 5.1 out... but I am being told it doesn't support 5.1 audio. Am I understanding this correctly? I saw someone post a link to a $30 sound card but is that what I would need too?

I just got blown away by the 590 SLI test.

154 FPS @ 1920 x 1200 with all max on Battlefield + 8xAA ? Holy diagonal shit.

Looking at the performance of my brand new 560 Ti in the comparision charts pierced my heart

I understand where you're coming from. Just think about it different, for about the price of a single 590 you could have purchased three 560 Ti's.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

With all this talk that motherboards don't really support 5.1 I have a question. I plan on getting an Asus P8P67 Pro which has a toslink optical 5.1 out... but I am being told it doesn't support 5.1 audio. Am I understanding this correctly? I saw someone post a link to a $30 sound card but is that what I would need too?


I understand where you're coming from. Just think about it different, for about the price of a single 590 you could have purchased three 560 Ti's.

I believe so. The mobo will output DDS for things like movies but it does not support DD Live encoding required to get 5.1 from games. I'm in the same boat as you and will probably have to get that sound card.

 

[Kyaw]

I'm about to buy 2 Sapphire HD 6950 cards, flash them to 6970 and crossfire them.
Two things I want to know - will an 850W PSU manage that? It will be a strictly gaming PC so there's a good chance it will be on full load or near that most of the time.
The second thing I want to know is, would it be better to buy two VGA coolers or is the stock cooler good enough if I want to flash the card and run it in 6970 speeds?

The PSU I'm getting is a Corsair TX850W and I'll also be OCing an i5 2500K CPU. There will only be 1 HDD.

It should be perfectly fine.

 

[-PXG-]

Oh, will I need a Sli bridge or no?

 

[CrankyJay]

$130 - Micron 64GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=C40064G25&show=p

$245 - Micron 128GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...28GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

$920 - Micron 512GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...12GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

Crucial M4 256GB SATA 3 SSD Review – Unexpected Performance in a Small Package
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews...-–-unexpected-performance-in-a-small-package/

So much for the $1.61/GB that was quoted.

 

[TheExodu5]

C400 looks good. Not sure if I'll wait for the Vertex 3 or not.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Right so tonight I just started putting together my new PC.

First of all, this CPU cooler is a BEAST compared to the stock one I've been using for the last year:

I managed to get it on fairly easily but then I had to try and put my 4 RAM sticks in. Can you say tight squeeze?

I can't believe I got that in there. I was sure I was going to have to make do with 6gb rather than my full 8.

Successful so far though! Now I just need to wait for my GPU to get here, shove it in my case and start the overclocking

Just making sure - that RAM should be okay there, right?

 

[Funky Papa]

$130 - Micron 64GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=C40064G25&show=p

$245 - Micron 128GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...28GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

$920 - Micron 512GB RealSSD C400
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php...12GB-RealSSD-C400-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC

Crucial M4 256GB SATA 3 SSD Review – Unexpected Performance in a Small Package
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews...-–-unexpected-performance-in-a-small-package/

Damn it. Now I'm not sure if I should wait for the OCZ Vertex 3. It's much faster, but even the non-Pro version should be considerably more expensive.

 

[Kyaw]

Oh, will I need a Sli bridge or no?

It should come with the graphics card.

 

[knitoe]

It should come with the graphics card.

SLI cables usually comes with the MB while the crossfire comes with the video card.

 

[Q8D3vil]

i'll copy my post from another forum

so i decided to buy a new gpu now with the 590 finally reaching the market.
i have i7 oc'd to 4.0 ghz and 6 gb of ram so cpu is not an issue.

my budget is 750$ but i'm confused between these three cards.
of course in 560 and 570 it will be sli setup.
if you can recommend me a good brand i will appreciate it.
thanks

note: i game at 1080p with 3d vision so ram is kinda a big issue.

 

[Weenerz]

Any pricing for GTX590s?

 

[Shadowhaxor]

i'll copy my post from another forum

so i decided to buy a new gpu now with the 590 finally reaching the market.
i have i7 oc'd to 4.0 ghz and 6 gb of ram so cpu is not an issue.

my budget is 750$ but i'm confused between these three cards.
of course in 560 and 570 it will be sli setup.
if you can recommend me a good brand i will appreciate it.
thanks

note: i game at 1080p with 3d vision so ram is a big issue.

Well, first off the 590 isn't going to be very accessible currently, plus its starting at $699, so may want to pass on that. The 570's in SLI actually surpass the 590 according to the benchies that are now out, and I'd wager that the 560's in SLI would fare decently as well.

The 570's in SLI will run you 50-60 cheaper than the 590 and the 560's in SLI would be about 100+ cheaper.

Brands: Evga, Asus, MSI, XFX, Sparkle and Zotac.

Any pricing for GTX590s?

Starting at $699 and up!

Asus $699 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121436&cm_re=GTX_590-_-14-121-436-_-Product
EVGA $729 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130630&cm_re=GTX_590-_-14-130-630-_-Product

 

[CrankyJay]

Good to see sub 2$/GB launch prices on the C400. Now to see what the 128GB models performance is

At the very least they should push the c300 prices down as a result.

Ahaha, fuck, it won't be available to the mass market until late April:

full launch on April 26 Crucial M4 aka C400 - ETA? - Page 3 - Crucial Community

Many of you have requested an update on availability of our new Crucial m4 SSD. Demand has exceeded our expectations, and we are ramping up production and building inventory so we can support a full launch with all of our global channel partners on April 26th, 2011. In the meantime, we have started shipping out review units to media outlets, so look out for full reviews over the coming weeks. Thanks in advance for your patience.
Guru, Crucial Moderator, US

http://www.forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/Crucial-M4-aka-C400-ETA/td-p/33612/page/3

 

[Kyaw]

SLI cables usually comes with the MB while the crossfire comes with the video card.

Wow really? I actually never knew that... or probably forgot about it.

 

[·feist·]

Good to see sub 2$/GB launch prices on the C400. Now to see what the 128GB models performance is

C400 looks good. Not sure if I'll wait for the Vertex 3 or not.

Damn it. Now I'm not sure if I should wait for the OCZ Vertex 3. It's much faster, but even the non-Pro version should be considerably more expensive.

For the Micron C400/Crucial M4 64GB and 128GB's general read and write, Micron released this slide a few months ago:

Results for the larger models have been fairly consistent. Just have to wait for the rest of the figures. Of course, the smaller non-Pro Vertex 3s aren't as fast as their larger-sized siblings, either. Now everyone just needs a greater focus on reducing prices and increasing durability, as speeds are already good enough for most users.

 

[Funky Papa]

For the Micron C400/Crucial M4 64GB and 128GB's general read and write, Micron released this slide a few months ago:

Results for the larger models have been fairly consistent. Just have to wait for the rest of the figures. Of course, the smaller non-Pro Vertex 3s aren't as fast as their larger-sized siblings, either. Now everyone just needs a greater focus on reducing prices and increasing durability, as speeds are already good enough for most users.

Damn, that is some difference. I will wait then, as I want a 128 GB unit. Apparently OCZ should be shipping the V3 in the next days, so I guess reviews will arrive shorthly.

 

[coopolon]

With all this talk that motherboards don't really support 5.1 I have a question. I plan on getting an Asus P8P67 Pro which has a toslink optical 5.1 out... but I am being told it doesn't support 5.1 audio. Am I understanding this correctly? I saw someone post a link to a $30 sound card but is that what I would need too?

Correct, you won't get 5.1 audio in games over a toslink from the motherboard, although you can get it over analogue cables.

You can also get it by buying a soundcard that can encode to DDL or DTSC. But if you are planning to hook it up to a receiver, your best bet is to just use an hdmi cable from your gpu.

 

[TheExodu5]

If Asus released a triple slot DirectCU II GTX 590 it would have been a great card, and a very viable alternaive to SLI GTX 570. Shame.

 

[Funky Papa]

Ok, this may be a silly question, but... how many games out there use DDL? I plan on to keep my old Audigy 2 ZS (this build is taking for-fucking-ever) and I'm not sure if that should be enough to pump real 5.1 audio. DirectX Audio/OpenAL is still the norm, right? Should I be good then?

 

[ithorien]

Correct, you won't get 5.1 audio in games over a toslink from the motherboard, although you can get it over analogue cables.

You can also get it by buying a soundcard that can encode to DDL or DTSC. But if you are planning to hook it up to a receiver, your best bet is to just use an hdmi cable from your gpu.

Wow, so what the hell is the point of Toslink/Coax output from the motherboard (aside from maybe a single cable)?

 

[n0n44m]

Ok, this may be a silly question, but... how many games out there use DDL? I plan on to keep my old Audigy 2 ZS (this build is taking for-fucking-ever) and I'm not sure if that should be enough to pump real 5.1 audio. DirectX Audio/OpenAL is still the norm, right? Should I be good then?

DDL is nothing but a transportation method of getting 5.1 audio to a receiver via an optical cable

with analogue cables you have three outputs (fronts, back speakers, sub+center) and you set your windows config to 5.1 speakers

with optical the problem is that you can only send stereo audio (aka 2 channel PCM) ... the 5.1 that movies have is actually compressed through either Dolby or DTS format (with very little loss etc) ==> what DDL does is create compressed 5.1 sound on the fly so that it can go through an optical cable and into your receiver

so for games there is no difference really, audio is processed as with any other card and compressed into DD format

 

[coopolon]

Wow, so what the hell is the point of Toslink/Coax output from the motherboard (aside from maybe a single cable)?

Most people would probably use it to send the audio from movies to their receivers. But it is not even that good for that anymore since it can't handle the hd audio codecs in bluray

 

[ithorien]

Most people would probably use it to send the audio from movies to their receivers. But it is not even that good for that anymore since it can't handle the hd audio codecs in bluray

Reason I asked, I output Coax to my Mixamp from the motherboard, and Optical from my PS3. It's nice to have just one cable and it's a cleaner sound, but if it's not putting out true 5.1, then what the hell.

 

[RiverBed]

590 time !!

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-review/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-sli-review/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-590.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../41903-nvidia-geforce-gtx-590-3gb-review.html

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haven't really looked into the performance yet but size and noise are pretty admirable from a engineering point of view I think

It'll be interesting to see how better it'll be with better drivers coming out. nVidia delayed release because the drives weren't ready. I don't think they optimized them as much as they want either.

 

[Funky Papa]

DDL is nothing but a transportation method of getting 5.1 audio to a receiver via an optical cable

with analogue cables you have three outputs (fronts, back speakers, sub+center) and you set your windows config to 5.1 speakers

with optical the problem is that you can only send stereo audio (aka 2 channel PCM) ... the 5.1 that movies have is actually compressed through either Dolby or DTS format (with very little loss etc) ==> what DDL does is create compressed 5.1 sound on the fly so that it can go through an optical cable and into your receiver

so for games there is no difference really, audio is processed as with any other card and compressed into DD format

Well, that was informative. Thank you very much.

 

[Kenka]

I want to begin and install Windows but I have bad news (for myself), the computer doesn't recognize the hard drive. I've checked the SATA cables on its back (the hard drive) and everything seems alright. Is there any problem with the connection ? What could possibly the source of such problem ? Any clue GAF please ?

 

[mclaren777]

Has anybody on here gotten their replacement P67 motherboard yet?

 

[Dosia]

Hello all I have a dumb question. My buddy has an asus P7P55D mobo. He has his internet working with a hardwire but cant get it to work wirelessly. Does he need a dongle of some sort or what? Thanks

 

[scogoth]

If Asus released a triple slot DirectCU II GTX 590 it would have been a great card, and a very viable alternaive to SLI GTX 570. Shame.

3 slots wide and 11" long. That would be a behemoth of card... droooooooool

 

[Dosia]

I want to begin and install Windows but I have bad news (for myself), the computer doesn't recognize the hard drive. I've checked the SATA cables on its back (the hard drive) and everything seems alright. Is there any problem with the connection ? What could possibly the source of such problem ? Any clue GAF please ?

This happened recently when I assembled my friends pc. The HD was doa and the replacement was recognized.

 

[Shambles]

I want to begin and install Windows but I have bad news (for myself), the computer doesn't recognize the hard drive. I've checked the SATA cables on its back (the hard drive) and everything seems alright. Is there any problem with the connection ? What could possibly the source of such problem ? Any clue GAF please ?

Try using different SATA slots on the motherboard, it might be a bad slot. Also you did plug the power connection into the hard drive as well right?

 

[Kenka]

Try using different SATA slots on the motherboard, it might be a bad slot. Also you did plug the power connection into the hard drive as well right?

You again Shambles ! I did that and some more :

I tried to push the Memory OK button on the P64 and a message appears with American Megatrends that says :

And then I have acess to the mobo menu :

And when I don't do shit, a brief screen appears saying that no hard drive is detected and then this :

It is crazy, the mobo menu shows that there is a disc but the computer itself doesn't see anything !

This happened recently when I assembled my friends pc. The HD was doa and the replacement was recognized.

Well... what is doa please ?

EDIT : I fucked with the mobo options and disables the Marvel Controller. I don't get the "no hard drive detected" shit but I still can't boot (a.k.a. I still get the last screen).

I am sorry to let you guys deal with my shit but I am ressourceless, this is my first build.

EDIT 2 : I should add also that the first time that I started my computer, nothing wrong happenned AND that the DVD player was not powered on. But I unplugged it this time and I still got the same shit.

What the fuck, this is turning into a masquarade.

 

[black_vegeta]

GTX 590 blowing up with certain driver!?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26690525&postcount=1

Edit: Mo Info...

267.52 drivers

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/10352/

We got an e-mail from a reader that a GeForce GTX 590 BYHD (Burn Your House Down) Edition was released by SweClockers, so we did a little searching and found out what they were talking about. It appears that some of the first NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 video cards to ship come with Forceware 267.52 drivers and they don't prevent the card from overheating when overclocking. The folks over at SweClockers cranked up the clock frequency and video taped the carnage. We didn't have this problem with 267.71 drivers we used for testing or the new 267.84 drivers that came out today.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc&feature=player_embedded

 

[CrankyJay]

DOA = dead on arrival

 

[Lesiroth]

I require consultation of the wise sages of PC-GAF on two matters:

- SSDs. From the moment they appeared, I completely ignored them. Now apparently they offer some nice benefits, I just want someone to give me the whole story about them and how much of a benefit they offer against traditional HDD setups.

- I need a worthwhile upgrade from my trusty 4850. While it has served me well, and its performance in recent games is still remarkably good, I can't take the constant sound of a helicopter beating in my PC anymore. Unfortunately, I'm too tight on cash these days, so anything that is a worthwhile upgrade, quieter than my current card, and less than $200 would be great.(Graphic Cards are expensive as fuck in Egypt )

Nobody replied to my questions Did I say something wrong?

 

[Q8D3vil]

the only reason i'm considering buying the gtx 5 90 is the overclocking potential which doesn't seem big
whats the best 560 and 570 ?
newegg link would be cool

 

[Cyrus365]

MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr OC 880MHZ 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card $241.26 IS that a good price, and is there something out there better under $250 CDN range.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58303&promoid=1280


Any comments on this, good graphic card can I do better for 250 price range CDN? With an ASUS P8P67 Deluxe ATX LGA1155 P67 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI Sandy Bridge B3 Motherboard, will I have have room to do SLI?

Casing is going to be HAF-22 Mid Tower

Also planning to have a: Noctua NH-U12P 120MM Heatpipe Cooler thrown in there as well, so curious if I have space for everything?

 

[n0n44m]

You again Shambles ! I did that and some more :

I tried to push the Memory OK button on the P64 and a message appears with American Megatrends that says :

And then I have acess to the mobo menu :

And when I don't do shit, a brief screen appears saying that no hard drive is detected and then this :

It is crazy, the mobo menu shows that there is a disc but the computer itself doesn't see anything !


Well... what is doa please ?

EDIT : I fucked with the mobo options and disables the Marvel Controller. I don't get the "no hard drive detected" shit but I still can't boot (a.k.a. I still get the last screen).

I am sorry to let you guys deal with my shit but I am ressourceless, this is my first build.

EDIT 2 : I should add also that the first time that I started my computer, nothing wrong happenned AND that the DVD player was not powered on. But I unplugged it this time and I still got the same shit.

What the fuck, this is turning into a masquarade.

OK it says in the POST screen (American Megatrends thingy) that it recognizes 2 SATA devices; one is a DVD drive I guess, the other a WD hdd

you're installing windows from DVD?

1:turn on pc and go into bios (mobo menu) by pressing the delete during POST (aka immediately when you power it up)

2:select advanced (top right), then go to the tab with "boot options" or something like that (most right tab or the one before it) and select your Samsung DVD drive to be 1st boot device

3:select exit (save changes) -> pc should reboot and then start the windows install from DVD

 

[Kenka]

Saved by God. Thank you.

 

[mkenyon]

Nobody replied to my questions Did I say something wrong?

1. They used to have a short lifespan. They're about equal to mechanical drives now. Super ridiculously fast. Still too expensive for storage and games. Buy one for OS and general programs.

2. GTX560, 6850 2GB are the current sweethearts.

 

[Raistlin]

I'm about to buy 2 Sapphire HD 6950 cards, flash them to 6970 and crossfire them.
Two things I want to know - will an 850W PSU manage that? It will be a strictly gaming PC so there's a good chance it will be on full load or near that most of the time.
The second thing I want to know is, would it be better to buy two VGA coolers or is the stock cooler good enough if I want to flash the card and run it in 6970 speeds?

The PSU I'm getting is a Corsair TX850W and I'll also be OCing an i5 2500K CPU. There will only be 1 HDD.

850W is fine, particularly if it's a high efficiency. Admittedly I'm using a AX850 (90% efficiency)

 

[knitoe]

Has anybody on here gotten their replacement P67 motherboard yet?

Have been using my replacement Asus Deluxe for almost a month now.

 

[n0n44m]

Saved by God. Thank you.

what cpu cooler are you using there? boxed? temp seems a bit high for just being in bios (not that high that it would be damaging but higher than I would expect nonetheless)

furthermore I would advice you to update the bios to a more recent version as the early versions for the Sandy Bridge mobo's can exhibit some weird behavior; after installing windows just download the latest bios from your local Asus website and put it on a USB stick, then go to the same advanced BIOS screen and select update from USB or something like that (and make sure the power doesn't go out lol)

 

[Kenka]

what cpu cooler are you using there? boxed? temp seems a bit high for just being in bios (not that high that it would be damaging but higher than I would expect nonetheless)

furthermore I would advice you to update the bios to a more recent version as the early versions for the Sandy Bridge mobo's can exhibit some weird behavior; after installing windows just download the latest bios from your local Asus website and put it on a USB stick, then go to the same advanced BIOS screen and select update from USB or something like that (and make sure the power doesn't go out lol)

I am using the Intel thing that came with the i3-2100. Normally, it should be ok according to what has been expeienced before.

I will do so. Thanks. But I must admit that 99.9% of my sorrows are gone now that I am running my GPU install process.

 

[knitoe]

what cpu cooler are you using there? boxed? temp seems a bit high for just being in bios (not that high that it would be damaging but higher than I would expect nonetheless)

furthermore I would advice you to update the bios to a more recent version as the early versions for the Sandy Bridge mobo's can exhibit some weird behavior; after installing windows just download the latest bios from your local Asus website and put it on a USB stick, then go to the same advanced BIOS screen and select update from USB or something like that (and make sure the power doesn't go out lol)

It seems to be bios 1003 which is the latest for P8P67 LE. And, on bootup, the CPU seems to be stressed / tested so temp will be high. What's important is the temp once you are in Windows.

 

[n0n44m]

It seems to be bios 1003 which is the latest for P8P67 LE. And, on bootup, the CPU seems to be stressed / tested so temp will be high. What's important is the temp once you are in Windows.

was the LE released later? regular/pro/etc seem to be at 1502 already lol (1003 was the first I flashed to when I got mine)
edit: looking at the site the initial bios was 0701 and a late January version called 0709 .. the hell?

now that you mention it I do faintly remember my cpu being warmer than idle in the bios but havent been in there in over a month