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Manp

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Kenka said:
I am sure you meant dB and not % :eek:

Yeah, 60dB is more or less the sound of a TV. No way it goes unnoticed, to say the least.

dude, % of max fan speed

fan on modern video cards is never set at constant max speed. on the 69xx series it is at 22-24% at idle, and it goes up as the temperature rise under load. usually maxing at 45-50% depending on case airflow.

no idea about dB

:)
 

n0n44m

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AkIRA_22 said:
I have a question. I am making the dive into the water cooling world because I won't be upgrading this year so I want to trick out the i7-930 that I have. I want to do my CPU, and two 5870s. The CPU is easy I have no dramas with that but it's the GPU's that I need 100% clarification on. I have one Asus EAH5870 I got on launch, it looks like this;

The other week I bought a second but it is a Gigabyte that looks like this;

Basically I'm not at all sure which water block I need for each. EK have a regular one and a special one for the Asus 5870, here are the options;

Now it may seem cut and dry but there was a V2 of the Asus card that used a non reference design. I don't want to pull the trigger until I am 100% sure.

All help is appreciated.

nice I'm building one as well =] but I have a reference design GTX480 so it's easy for me

EK has a site called CoolingConfigurator where they have a sort of database which also includes which cards are reference design and which aren't

seems like according to that site Gigabyte used a non-reference PCB for their 5870...

edit: Aqua-Computer has 4 (!!) blocks, one for the original reference design (launch), then 3 blocks for the rev2 which comes in 3 different configurations?
 

n0n44m

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RiverBed said:
This is getting ridiculous: the 590 has reached some vendors, it is pass the NDA deadline and no reviews and benchmarks have been out yet? These articles are already written and the websites only need to push the 'upload' button for them to appear, but still NOTHING!

Here are two links showing that the card is out with some more details in the first link:
http://wccftech.com/2011/03/24/yeston-geforce-gtx-590-leaked/
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Asus_GTX_590_Snapped_and_Unboxed/551-114893-581.html

The immediate thing you'll notice from the first site is how incredibly quite the 590 is!:

I've already seen a couple of youtube "reviews"/unboxing vids that were released too soon and have been reupped

but apparently NDA ends in 30 mins so don't be afraid ;)
 

-PXG-

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mrklaw said:
soundcard. Xonar DX will take up a standard PCI slot, its not very big. You might still have room for dual GPUs. It'll give you surround in games over optical (for an amp) and dolby headphone over headphones. Onboard will not give you surround sound in games at all. Its my personal WTF for motherboard manufacturers. They are all so similar, I'd pay extra or choose company A over company B if one offered dolby digital live and/or dolby headphone onboard.

You might not have space for a Hyper 212 if you have a small case - worth checking the clearance you have.

And fuck overclocking, the sandybridge is so far ahead of everything - especially hooked up to good GPUs, that you don't really need overclocking, and if you're considering dual GPUs you want to keep the inside as cool as possible. If you *do* get the 2500k get the OEM which should be slightly cheaper, as you don't need the standard heatsink the retail version comes with.

I doubt I'll have the room for a sound card. It's not that big of a deal though. Sure, I want to get maximum use out of my 5.1 headphones, but if it means sacrificing a second GPU, then fuck it.

I could go with a bigger case and a ATX mobo, but I haven't found any case that isn't butt ugly. There's the NZXT Phantom, but I get the impression that 1) everyone else has it and 2) it has the stereotypical "H4RDK0R3 PC GAM0RZ" look. Also, even if I could have dual graphics cards AND a sound card, that would mean having to spend more money. Going with a single card solution is out of the question. I want graphical awesomeness oozing from every orifice in this bitch.

EDIT

If I can give myself the option to overclock for another 30 bucks, why not? Sure, I want to save anywhere I can, but I also want to optimize my ability to make (easy) changes in the future.
 

Kyaw

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So which cheapest sound card can support real time encoding to output 5.1 out of my amp over optical?

The Asus Xonar DX doesnt have optical output, last time i checked.
 

n0n44m

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Kyaw said:
So which cheapest sound card can support real time encoding to output 5.1 out of my amp over optical?

The Asus Xonar DX doesnt have optical output, last time i checked.

Club3D had some cheap soundcard that did DolbyDigital Live over optical, Theatron series (€35 for the DD version, €65 for one that also does DTS live)

used one before I went HDMI, never had issues with it (did use Auzentech drivers from a card with the same chip for it as they updated more frequently lol)
 
Kyaw said:
So which cheapest sound card can support real time encoding to output 5.1 out of my amp over optical?

The Asus Xonar DX doesnt have optical output, last time i checked.

So motherboards purporting to have 7.1 can't actually output 7.1? I'm confused.
 
Corsair 600T. You can find it on sale a few places for $140. I got mine back in January for $125 from Tiger Direct after discount + rebate. The case seems to be highly regarded but there are some questions/concerns about the stock cooling on it, but you can replace fans here and there as you go forward.

I don't have any problems with cooling...
 

TheExodu5

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n0n44m said:

Not that impressive in terms of performance, but yeah, size and noise are surprisingly good. It goes do show that the 6990 could have been a much better card with a better thermal design.
 

MisterNoisy

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mrklaw said:
You might not have space for a Hyper 212 if you have a small case - worth checking the clearance you have.

The FT03 spec sheet on Silverstone's site has the max CPU cooler height at 167mm, so you should be good to go with the Hyper 212. Some of the really insane high-end coolers won't fit, though.
 

-PXG-

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MisterNoisy said:
The FT03 lists the max CPU cooler height at 167mm, so you should be good to go with the Hyper 212. Some of the really insane high-end coolers won't fit, though.

That's a relief.

Also, is using a SSD for the OS really that much better, or rather, worth the price? I wouldn't get anything over 64 GB.
 

Erebus

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n0n44m said:

The overclocks of our card are 775 MHz core (26% overclock) and 1080 MHz Memory (17% overclock). Both overclocks are nice and show that there is quite some potential left in the card.

Performing overclocking the GTX 590 can only be described as a big pain in the ass. I've never seen a more crash-happy card than this when doing overclocking. Basically my "find maximum overclock" consisted of setting a clock speed, running a benchmark for 10 seconds and then waiting 45 seconds until the system finished rebooting after a system hang. If you plan to do overclocking, please make a system image backup, so you can recover quickly in case the constant system crashes break something.

Overclocking potential is quite nice and pays of well if you are willing to tackle it.

:(
 

n0n44m

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DarkUSS said:

more worryingly is his story about blowing it up with 1.2 vcore ... which is a lot ofcourse
(I had to flash my GTX480 to even get to that level as it is the max vcore allowed without hardware mods, hell it even suggests his card had a non-final "unlocked" bios)
but it shows that the relatively small size of the card means the electrical circuit/vrm design is not as over-engineered as on the 480/580 cards :/
 
I've never been in this thread before, but I am a regular user of steam which means that I have way too many PC games for my own good. I'm familiar with the platform when it comes to games, movies, music and media in general, but I never really invested in a PC for games specifically.

The state of the console industry and the perks that continue to pile up in the PC gaming industry have really made me take a look at which platform gives me more bang for my buck and I decided a while ago that the PC wins out handily. I've saved up exactly $700 for a mid range gaming PC, but I'm somewhat willing to drop an extra hundred or so if it means that I can get the most out of my PC.

I can put one together if I were given enough time, but I'm not all that familiar with the upgrade cycles and the news in general. I actually have a few questions.

When time is the best time of the year to shop for PC?

Are ATI(AMD?) cards a good choice at the moment? I've had pretty bad experiences with them. I've been way more interested in Nvidia cards because they seem more reliable.

I've already got an Lcd that displays 1080P. Is the extra bump in resolution worth the cost and are there any cards that can hold their own at this res for a decent price?

Which CPU give you the best bang for your buck at the moment(I've always gotten intel processors so I'm curious about the AMD ones)?

I've read the OP before, but I forgot to answer the basic questions since I'm in a rush and I didn't plan on buying the PC right away.

Basic Desktop Questions
Your Current Specs: dual core 4+ years old / RAM (DDR2) / Motherboard 4+ years old / GPU 3+ years old(an old Nvidia upgrade)
Budget: $700+
Main Use: Light Gaming, Gaming, Emulation (PS2/Wii), general usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback)
Monitor Resolution: 720P minimum and 1080P very likely at the press of a button
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: I'd like to have something that can run the latest games like Crysis, Just Cause II and Saints Row maxed out. Basically the highest level possible. It is the most important component in my PC next to the CPU.
Are reusing any parts?: No
When will you build?:I can wait as long as I have to. My steam backlog is massive and I have many playable games. My console game backlog is nearly the same size. I'll never finish all of these games.
Will you be overclocking?: No
 

Kyaw

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LabouredSubterfuge said:
So motherboards purporting to have 7.1 can't actually output 7.1? I'm confused.

They can output 7.1 over analogue outputs. Not over digital optical output which most out of box home theater receivers use nowadays.
 

-PXG-

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Posting this again, since I forgot to mention what I plan on using it for:

- High resolution digital painting/ graphic design
- Some 3D modelling with ZBrush
- HD Video editing/ 1080p playback
- High end PC gaming/ PS2 & Wii emulation

I have my heart set on what I have now. Unless there are major incompatibilities, or there is something that won't work, I don't plan on changing anything. Also, note, I'm getting two 560 Tis, not one.
 

Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
You some to be planning alot of cpu-intesive stuff, maybe upgrade to a 2600k?
 
-PXG- said:
Posting this again, since I forgot to mention what I plan on using it for:

- High resolution digital painting/ graphic design
- Some 3D modelling with ZBrush
- HD Video editing/ 1080p playback
- High end PC gaming/ PS2 & Wii emulation

I have my heart set on what I have now. Unless there are major incompatibilities, or there is something that won't work, I don't plan on changing anything. Also, note, I'm getting two 560 Tis, not one.

There is a V2 version of that power supply.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
-PXG- said:
I doubt I'll have the room for a sound card. It's not that big of a deal though. Sure, I want to get maximum use out of my 5.1 headphones, but if it means sacrificing a second GPU, then fuck it.

I could go with a bigger case and a ATX mobo, but I haven't found any case that isn't butt ugly. There's the NZXT Phantom, but I get the impression that 1) everyone else has it and 2) it has the stereotypical "H4RDK0R3 PC GAM0RZ" look. Also, even if I could have dual graphics cards AND a sound card, that would mean having to spend more money. Going with a single card solution is out of the question. I want graphical awesomeness oozing from every orifice in this bitch.

EDIT

If I can give myself the option to overclock for another 30 bucks, why not? Sure, I want to save anywhere I can, but I also want to optimize my ability to make (easy) changes in the future.


Fractal design R3, Silverstone LC17?
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
LabouredSubterfuge said:
So motherboards purporting to have 7.1 can't actually output 7.1? I'm confused.

for movies, sure - they just pass the dolby digital out. For games, not over optical - you need 'dolby digital live' to encode the multichannel audio into DD5.1. Most onboard chipsets are realtek and while they do offer DDlive, most motherboard makers don't bother licensing it.



Kyaw said:
So which cheapest sound card can support real time encoding to output 5.1 out of my amp over optical?

The Asus Xonar DX doesnt have optical output, last time i checked.

I think my card is a DX, and it has optical out. I'll check.

edit: Xonar DG (link) which cost me about £25 - $29.99 at newegg - link

dolby digital live for gaming, optical out, dolby headphone support for 5.1 with headphones, and a headphone amp to better drive your $500 cans.
 

-PXG-

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Corky said:
You some to be planning alot of cpu-intesive stuff, maybe upgrade to a 2600k?

I checked it out. The performance differential, between that and what I have doesn't justify the price.

Outdoor Miner said:
There is a V2 version of that power supply.

This one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021&Tpk=CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX v2

I compared it to what I have on newegg. I'm not an expert on this stuff. What is the main difference?

mrklaw said:
Fractal design R3, Silverstone LC17?

Nope. Don't like 'em
 

nataku

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What's the best practice for transferring a hard drive to a new computer? Right now I've got Windows 7 installed on a separate partition, and then all my other data and games on another. Should I just format the Windows 7 partition and reinstall with my new hardware, and then go and reinstall my programs and games?

Honestly I used to just format everything after backing up files and then just reinstalled my games and programs after that, but I've got a lot of Steam games installed I don't really want to download again if I could avoid it.
 
mrklaw said:
for movies, sure - they just pass the dolby digital out. For games, not over optical - you need 'dolby digital live' to encode the multichannel audio into DD5.1. Most onboard chipsets are realtek and while they do offer DDlive, most motherboard makers don't bother licensing it.





I think my card is a DX, and it has optical out. I'll check.

edit: Xonar DG (link) which cost me about £25 - $29.99 at newegg - link

dolby digital live for gaming, optical out, dolby headphone support for 5.1 with headphones, and a headphone amp to better drive your $500 cans.

Cool, thanks. That doesn't look too costly.
 

coopolon

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LabouredSubterfuge said:
Fuck. Fuckity fuck.

So what am I looking at for a decent functional sound card then?

I think a lot of receivers these days still support analogue cables, and they're certainly not expensive, just a bit more of a hassle, you have three cords instead of 1.

I don't know your particular situation, but you may still not need a soundcard.

I also have never found DDlive or DTSconnect very reliable. Whenever I've used them they've always introduced a noticeable audio delay in games (I will say I've only ever used them with Creative cards though, and obviously lots of people have used them with no problem whatsoever.)
 

-PXG-

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Assuming if my graphics cards don't take up too much room, I would have to get this in order to get 5.1 sound, right?

Such bullshit, since the P8P67-M PRO (also note, it's PCIe) has an optical port, I have headphones and an amp :/
 

coopolon

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-PXG- said:
Assuming if my graphics cards don't take up too much room, I would have to get this in order to get 5.1 sound, right?

Such bullshit, since the P8P67-M PRO (also note, it's PCIe) has an optical port, I have headphones and an amp :/

Depends on what you want to do.

You could hook up the motherboard to the receiver via analogue cables and get 5.1 in games that way. But if you want dolby digital headphone (which is pretty overrated if you ask me), then yes, you would need some kind of sound card.

Edit: actually, I seem to recall some receivers can also encode for dolby digital headphone, so you could theoretically hook up your headphones to the receiver. I'm not sure about this though, and even if it's possible, your receiver might not support it.

Edit 2: or obviously, what GPU are you getting? Almost any new one will support HDMI out, which is by far the best solution.

Edit 3: These are the type of cables you need to hook up your motherboard to your receiver to get surround sound in games without requiring a soundcard.
 

Kenka

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I just got blown away by the 590 SLI test.

154 FPS @ 1920 x 1200 with all max on Battlefield + 8xAA ? Holy diagonal shit.

Looking at the performance of my brand new 560 Ti in the comparision charts pierced my heart :(
 

-PXG-

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coopolon said:
Depends on what you want to do.

You could hook up the motherboard to the receiver via analogue cables and get 5.1 in games that way. But if you want dolby digital headphone (which is pretty overrated if you ask me), then yes, you would need some kind of sound card.

Edit: actually, I seem to recall some receivers can also encode for dolby digital headphone, so you could theoretically hook up your headphones to the receiver. I'm not sure about this though, and even if it's possible, your receiver might not support it.

Edit 2: or obviously, what GPU are you getting? Almost any new one will support HDMI out, which is by far the best solution.

Edit 3: These are the type of cables you need to hook up your motherboard to your receiver to get surround sound in games without requiring a soundcard.

Thanks.
 

Kyaw

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mrklaw said:
for movies, sure - they just pass the dolby digital out. For games, not over optical - you need 'dolby digital live' to encode the multichannel audio into DD5.1. Most onboard chipsets are realtek and while they do offer DDlive, most motherboard makers don't bother licensing it.





I think my card is a DX, and it has optical out. I'll check.

edit: Xonar DG (link) which cost me about £25 - $29.99 at newegg - link

dolby digital live for gaming, optical out, dolby headphone support for 5.1 with headphones, and a headphone amp to better drive your $500 cans.

Holy damn, thats a good deal. But does it have DDLive? It doesnt say so on the website's feature list.
 

mkenyon

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TheExodu5 said:
If you want nice looking cases that can support high end SLI systems, I'd probably look at the Corsair 650D or Siverstone FT02.

The HAF 922/932/X, Storm Sniper, NZXT Phantom, and LianLi Armorsuit are also great cases that will do you well.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
-PXG- said:
Assuming if my graphics cards don't take up too much room, I would have to get this in order to get 5.1 sound, right?

Such bullshit, since the P8P67-M PRO (also note, it's PCIe) has an optical port, I have headphones and an amp :/


yes its fucking stupid. IMO for motherboard makers targetting gamers, they should stump up the extra couple of cents for DD live enabled realtek chips.

You could look at alternative motherboards. Apparantly Gigabyte UD4 motherboards support DD live (but not dolby headphone). Don't know if they do a micro ATX version though.
 

Schlep

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-PXG- said:
I doubt I'll have the room for a sound card. It's not that big of a deal though. Sure, I want to get maximum use out of my 5.1 headphones, but if it means sacrificing a second GPU, then fuck it.

I could go with a bigger case and a ATX mobo, but I haven't found any case that isn't butt ugly. There's the NZXT Phantom, but I get the impression that 1) everyone else has it and 2) it has the stereotypical "H4RDK0R3 PC GAM0RZ" look. Also, even if I could have dual graphics cards AND a sound card, that would mean having to spend more money. Going with a single card solution is out of the question. I want graphical awesomeness oozing from every orifice in this bitch.
If you want some extra room with a different look, the Raven RV03 is due out within the next month or so. It has the same mounting type (ports at the top) as the FT03.
 
-PXG- said:
Alright, last question:

I'm certain space won't be an issue, but I just want to make sure that the P8P67-M PRO can support two GTX 560 Tis.

i clicked on the details tab and it said it has 2 pci-e slots. so they'll most likely fit but it will be tight, if there isn't that much room airflow might not be too good, but your case looks like it will take care of it.
 

-PXG-

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Advance_Alarm said:
i clicked on the details tab and it said it has 2 pci-e slots. so they'll most likely fit but it will be tight, if there isn't that much room airflow might not be too good, but your case looks like it will take care of it.

So it will recognize both cards, splitting 16, and giving each card 8?

I'm concerned about 1) one card not even being recognized and 2) severe bottlenecking.
 

Schlep

Member
-PXG- said:
So it will recognize both cards, splitting 16, and giving each card 8?

I'm concerned about 1) one card not even being recognized and 2) severe bottlenecking.
Yes.

Regarding SSD, I will never go back to a traditional HDD for the OS.
 

iNvid02

Member
just finished replacing the p8p67 pro for a b3 revision, everything went smooth. i'd recommend getting everything setup once and for all, its not a big deal

edit: also put this badboy in there, ears=blown

Asus_Xonar_wee.jpg
 

hylje

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nataku said:
What's the best practice for transferring a hard drive to a new computer? Right now I've got Windows 7 installed on a separate partition, and then all my other data and games on another. Should I just format the Windows 7 partition and reinstall with my new hardware, and then go and reinstall my programs and games?

Honestly I used to just format everything after backing up files and then just reinstalled my games and programs after that, but I've got a lot of Steam games installed I don't really want to download again if I could avoid it.

To be honest I'm too lazy to even think about fresh install. And I haven't done that in Vista/Seven when I've upgraded hardware. Windows 7 is pretty tolerant to hardware changes. Only thing you need to worry about is activation.
I actually upgraded mobo+cpu this morning and all is good without re-installing. Only thing held me be back was forgetting to change sata to ide-mode.

You shouldn't worry about Steam if you're not going to format that partition. Just re-install the client (assuming you're doing fresh install) on the same folder where it has been earlier. It'll pickup all the games and configs you have there.

In short, If I was you. I'd just tap the drive to new PC and be done with it unless your current install of Windows is for some odd reason fucked up.
 

-PXG-

Member
Schlep said:
Yes.

Regarding SSD, I will never go back to a traditional HDD for the OS.

So I'm good? Thanks so much. I just want to get everything squared away, so when I start building, I won't come across shit not fitting or not being recognized. I don't want to hassle with returns or refunds.

Maybe one day I will put the OS on SSD. Not from the get go.

EDIT

So this is a pretty good setup I have right. I should be able to tear shit up?
 
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