That build looks good. About the SSD, Crucial M4 or Samsung 830/840 are the way to go.
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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]
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That build looks good. About the SSD, Crucial M4 or Samsung 830/840 are the way to go.
Thank you for the replyIll look out for those to go on sale.
I also forgot to say that you could also take a look at a CPU cooler. The stock one is good for standard speeds, but those K CPUs are made for overclocking. $30 gets you the EVO 212 but in general going by my personal experience anything above $20 with a similar "tower" configuration will do the job nicely if you're in a budget and you're not into extreme OC'ing.
Nice, I slightly over clocked my last cpu(Q6600), but not by much. Ill look into doing more with this one.
LabouredSubterfuge
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No I'm just a home user. That's strange though, I've not seen any review raise these issues at all. Not noticed it be slower in any of the normal tasks I perform either. Seems noticeably faster, but I suppose you could chalk that up to placebo?
Hi GAF,
I'm trying to build a desktop rig for the first time and could use some advice.
Budgeting roughly 2500 bucks and I'm currently around 2300 with everything but the case and the power supply.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lniy
Comments? Critiques?
Notes:
*I'm primarily going to use this rig as a gaming/work rig (my work is video related).
*I've had a decent experience with i7s so I'd prefer to stick with those.
*I plan to go with 1 GFX card atm but will most likely upgrade to a 2 way SLI in the future (No plans for 4 way).
*I plan on building this in December or January 2013.
*I don't really care about noise level once my headphones go on, so any cooling options you guys recommend would be appreciated.
Questions:
*Any recommendations on cases? I'm looking for cases with an emphasis on cooling. My room can get a bit hot during the summer (I've even bought an AC to rectify this, but thought ya'll should know my environment.)
*Keeping in mind my future upgrade of a 2 way SLI, any recommendations on power supplies?
*Any recommendations on a monitor? I just randomly picked that one but honestly I don't really know too much about them to know which one is better. All I want is at least 1080p on the screen. Is there an advantage to LEDs?
*I was thinking of getting a GTX685 but information on that card seems scarce. Supposedly it was supposed to come out between september and october, but I couldn't find anything solid on it. Price VS Performance wise, should I bother waiting for a 685? Or is it expected the price on the 680 will drop a lot after the 685 is released?
*Do I need a sound card at all? I'm primarily going to be using head phones but I have no idea if I need one.
I'm trying to build a desktop rig for the first time and could use some advice.
Budgeting roughly 2500 bucks and I'm currently around 2300 with everything but the case and the power supply.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lniy
Comments? Critiques?
Notes:
*I'm primarily going to use this rig as a gaming/work rig (my work is video related).
*I've had a decent experience with i7s so I'd prefer to stick with those.
*I plan to go with 1 GFX card atm but will most likely upgrade to a 2 way SLI in the future (No plans for 4 way).
*I plan on building this in December or January 2013.
*I don't really care about noise level once my headphones go on, so any cooling options you guys recommend would be appreciated.
Questions:
*Any recommendations on cases? I'm looking for cases with an emphasis on cooling. My room can get a bit hot during the summer (I've even bought an AC to rectify this, but thought ya'll should know my environment.)
*Keeping in mind my future upgrade of a 2 way SLI, any recommendations on power supplies?
*Any recommendations on a monitor? I just randomly picked that one but honestly I don't really know too much about them to know which one is better. All I want is at least 1080p on the screen. Is there an advantage to LEDs?
*I was thinking of getting a GTX685 but information on that card seems scarce. Supposedly it was supposed to come out between september and october, but I couldn't find anything solid on it. Price VS Performance wise, should I bother waiting for a 685? Or is it expected the price on the 680 will drop a lot after the 685 is released?
*Do I need a sound card at all? I'm primarily going to be using head phones but I have no idea if I need one.
I had never seen a CM 212 already mounted, didn't imagine it was THAT tall O__o
I'm waiting for it from amazon uk, I hope it will fit in my yet-to-arrive Bitfenix Merc Alpha.
Go i7. Don't be a pussy
Yeah I saw that, have they been cheaper? I'm not in a rush for a SDD, and im ok waiting until around Black Friday
Very very very cool!
What happened to that whole anniversary thing? =P
Can;t wait to see it with colored water!
I don't mean to put it down because the thing is truly insanely fast. Its just under normal usage its not any faster than a regular SSD and way more expensive. If you have the money, want the absolute best and need baller status then the revodrive is the way to go.
From Anandtech
Its very fast in sequential just not worth the money unless you have everything else on your computer top of the line.
Normal Workload
High Queue Depth
Normal Workloads
Shit forgot to mention, my preferred retailer is Amazon. Doesn't mean I'm stuck on them, just that I already have an established account with Amazon Prime and everything and It's just a smoother process for me.
Revised Spec List:
i5 2500k (what's the benefit of the 3570?)
8GB RAM
HD7850
Optical Drive (Are the Blu-Ray Drives combo?)
Wi-Fi
10 USB ports
128GB SSD
Windows 7
No monitor
A case with optical out (my standard Dell already has one so I imagine they're pretty common)
Revised Spec List:
i5 2500k (what's the benefit of the 3570?)
8GB RAM
HD7850
Optical Drive (Are the Blu-Ray Drives combo?)
Wi-Fi
10 USB ports
128GB SSD
Windows 7
No monitor
A case with optical out (my standard Dell already has one so I imagine they're pretty common)
3570K is faster clock for clock, plus you get PCIe 3.0.
A few suggestions:
Switch the RAM to four sticks of 4GB Samsung 30nm (ie two packs of this). Not only will you save almost $200, but it'll actually run faster than the RAM you've chosen, as you need four sticks to make use of the quad channel bandwidth of the 3930K. It may be worth going up to 32GB for your video workloads, in which case get either 8 sticks of the Samsung 4GB I linked to, or four 8GB sticks from Corsair/Kingston/etc. if you plan on adding more in the future (Samsung don't make 8GB sticks).
Swap the SSD out for the 256GB Samsung 830 someone linked to a few posts up. It's more reliable than the OCZ, and the extra space will be useful for your video work. There's not much point getting a Velociraptor HDD these days, as while they're quicker than standard HDDs, they're nowhere near as quick as SSDs. Swap it out for a Western Digital Black.
As far as cases go, the Fractal Arc Midi is a good case as far as cooling is concerned, well built with lots of ventilation, and the possibility for liquid cooling if you want to go that way. It's on sale at the moment, too (mkenyon posted a link a few posts up).
Edit: Actually, just realised that the motherboard you've got selected wouldn't fit in the Arc Midi. It's an EATX motherboard (ie larger than standard ATX), so if you want to stick with it you'll need a "full tower" case that's EATX compatible.
That OCZ PSU has a super short 20pin connector. You may want to order an extender.
But at what extra cost? I guess if I'm going for CPU longevity I might as well, but by that same logic why wouldn't I need an i7?
Echoes of Pink
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My new i5 3750K seems to be a bit weak in terms of overclocking compared to other people's results online. I currently have it running stable at 4.4 GHz at 1.325 V which I know is a bit on the high side. I only edited the multiplier and voltage, but didn't touch the other options (llc, pll, etc.).
Should I alter the other options to help drop the voltage? Don't those just help you go higher for the clock?
Is 1.325 fixed voltage OK to run at? I know the specs for ivy bridge say it can handle up to 1.52 V. I'm just being cautious and asking.
Is higher than 1.325 V OK for long term use on ivy bridge? Should I try and go for 1.35 to 1.375 V to push the clock higher?
So far:
4.2 @ 1.272 V is the auto overclockclock my mobo gave
4.4 @ 1.300 V is unstable
4.4 @ 1.325 V is prime 95 and game stable
4.5 @ 1.325 V is unstable
4.6 @ 1.325 V is unstable
Temps: 66C prime temp @ 1.325 V, 75 C prime temp @ 1.44 V
Thanks.
Should I alter the other options to help drop the voltage? Don't those just help you go higher for the clock?
Is 1.325 fixed voltage OK to run at? I know the specs for ivy bridge say it can handle up to 1.52 V. I'm just being cautious and asking.
Is higher than 1.325 V OK for long term use on ivy bridge? Should I try and go for 1.35 to 1.375 V to push the clock higher?
So far:
4.2 @ 1.272 V is the auto overclockclock my mobo gave
4.4 @ 1.300 V is unstable
4.4 @ 1.325 V is prime 95 and game stable
4.5 @ 1.325 V is unstable
4.6 @ 1.325 V is unstable
Temps: 66C prime temp @ 1.325 V, 75 C prime temp @ 1.44 V
Thanks.
So you can't have PCIe 3.0 with a 2500k? My GPU is in a PCIe3 slot but i think Catalyst Control Panel reads it as PCIe2x16. What's the benefit of PCIe3?
Man I'm just pissed looking at this thread after building my computer in July. If I waited I could have had better parts and spent less money. I guess that will always be the case.
is the difference between a HD7870 and a HD7950 huge? I'm really feeling the burn on that one, I spent more on the 7870 than that newegg HD7950 deal.
Also, I've been running my i5 at 4.5GHz, I only changed the multiplier clocks and didn't touch the voltage. I'm afraid to stress test it, but it's been running fine and i've gamed for hours. Am I being stupid?
Nah, Arc Midi fits EATX just fine. Most current mid towers do. You might be thinking about XL-ATX.
Nope only PCIe 2.0 with the 2500K, although there is no GPU at least that makes full use of the bandwidth provided PCIe 3.0 yet bar the 690.
If you've already got a 7870 I'd say stick with it. With a good overclock it'll be plenty fast but if you're interested this is a rough comparison at stock
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=550
Shouldn't really be any real extra cost involved, just had a quick look on Amazon UK over here and the 3570K is only £6 more, but a Z77 mobo might cost more.
Yeah, I never really understand motherboard sizes that aren't mITX, mATX and ATX.
Some cool deals today on the Egg
15% off RAM, Promo code EMCJNHE45. That means the already discounted Samsung 30nm RAM is now $30 for 8GB!
Mice are 15% off, Promo code EMCJNHE49. Go buy the Sensei Raw now, or the CM Xornet if you are on a budget.
All Lian Li silver cases are 25% off. Promo code EMCJNHE47. The A55, V750, V650, and A05 are all great cases. The A04 is a great mATX case too. V750 is a case that is smaller than most big mid towers, fits XL-ATX and even giant SR-2/SR-X dual Xeon boards. The V650 is a mATX sized case that fits full ATX motherboards.
15% off RAM, Promo code EMCJNHE45. That means the already discounted Samsung 30nm RAM is now $30 for 8GB!
Mice are 15% off, Promo code EMCJNHE49. Go buy the Sensei Raw now, or the CM Xornet if you are on a budget.
All Lian Li silver cases are 25% off. Promo code EMCJNHE47. The A55, V750, V650, and A05 are all great cases. The A04 is a great mATX case too. V750 is a case that is smaller than most big mid towers, fits XL-ATX and even giant SR-2/SR-X dual Xeon boards. The V650 is a mATX sized case that fits full ATX motherboards.
And that's the other thing: I still don't know jack shit about the mobo game.
Anyway, here's where I'm at deciding right now I guess:
i5 3570k
8GB RAM
HD7850
Optical Drive (Are the Blu-Ray Drives combo?)
Wi-Fi
10 USB ports
128GB SSD
Bluetooth Keyboard & Mouse
Windows 7
No monitor
A case with optical out (my standard Dell already has one so I imagine they're pretty common)
Echoes of Pink
Member
Believe me, I wouldn't go anywhere near 1.52 V. I'm just double checking that I'm good in the 1.3 to 1.4 V range.
Ok, I got my samsung 830 256gb and did all the optimization I can think of and here is my benchmark.
Now I have an ASUS P6X58D Premium motherboard with a Marvell 9128 controller, from what I understand this crappy controller is going to sap some performance. Is this as high read speed I can get?
Now I have an ASUS P6X58D Premium motherboard with a Marvell 9128 controller, from what I understand this crappy controller is going to sap some performance. Is this as high read speed I can get?
anachronous_one
Prologue Type S Alpha
Wow... ok, that's a revelation. For some reason I was thinking that the newer revisions of the PCI-E spec involved higher voltages being delivered to the card via the slot itself.
Well, I guess I need to re-frame my search criteria now to the best card I can get for $200 or less (after any rebates). I'll check out the recommendations in the OP. Thanks again!
Something along the lines of one of these two 7850s is the best you'll do for that sort of money
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PJTNYS/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007MLSGHE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Ok, I got my samsung 830 256gb and did all the optimization I can think of and here is my benchmark.
Now I have an ASUS P6X58D Premium motherboard with a Marvell 9128 controller, from what I understand this crappy controller is going to sap some performance. Is this as high read speed I can get?
You don't have any Intel SATA ports? You should.
Install Intel RST if you haven't. That can speed it up.
I do but they aren't 6 Ghz sata ports though, they are 3ghz if I understand correctly. Will I get better speeds on the slower ports?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Should have checked that first I guess, but no, it wouldn't be any faster than you're getting now. So that's probably the best you're going to get. Not sure if the Intel software will help or not if you're not using their port? Never used a third party one myself.
New budget build, the OT was a big help as well:
EVGA GeForce GTX 660Ti SUPERCLOCKED 2048MB
Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB
Intel Core i5-3570K
MSI (Z77A-G43)
NZXT Source 210
I'm going to just move my current Corsair PSU,HDDs, and SSD over to the new build. I was able to pick up the case for $20 after rebate.
EVGA GeForce GTX 660Ti SUPERCLOCKED 2048MB
Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB
Intel Core i5-3570K
MSI (Z77A-G43)
NZXT Source 210
I'm going to just move my current Corsair PSU,HDDs, and SSD over to the new build. I was able to pick up the case for $20 after rebate.
I am upgrading my current Q6600 PC with the newer Intel LGA 1155 CPUs. I am thinking of migrating my:
550W PSU
Radeon 4850
Storage drives
DVDRW Drive
Keyboard
Mouse
Monitor
and getting a new:
Case ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BDJ58M/?tag=neogaf0e-20 )
Motherboard ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 ? It comes with ram right now and it's cheap - any reason why it's one of the cheapest LGA 1155 boards out there?)
CPU ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 ) (i5 or i7, price difference worth it?)
CPU Cooler ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 )
RAM ( 8GB inc/ w/ mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144614 OR Samsung 30nm or Corsair 8GB sticks so I can upgrade to 32GB later)
Any thoughts or things I should be concerned about?
Thanks so much for the build guide and thread. I never would have gotten this far without either but now I'd just like a bit of advice before I take the plunge. Thanks guys.
550W PSU
Radeon 4850
Storage drives
DVDRW Drive
Keyboard
Mouse
Monitor
and getting a new:
Case ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BDJ58M/?tag=neogaf0e-20 )
Motherboard ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 ? It comes with ram right now and it's cheap - any reason why it's one of the cheapest LGA 1155 boards out there?)
CPU ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 ) (i5 or i7, price difference worth it?)
CPU Cooler ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 )
RAM ( 8GB inc/ w/ mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144614 OR Samsung 30nm or Corsair 8GB sticks so I can upgrade to 32GB later)
Any thoughts or things I should be concerned about?
Thanks so much for the build guide and thread. I never would have gotten this far without either but now I'd just like a bit of advice before I take the plunge. Thanks guys.
Fisticuffs
Member
So I built a new computer recently (i5-3570, 8gb RAM, etc) and I have an ASUS 460GTX 1gb still that I took out of my older computer. I really like the 7850, but I wanted to know if I should hold out until the next gen mid range GPUs are out, or would the 7850 be a big enough upgrade from the 460 that it's worth the purchase.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'd give the 460 a shot first, especially if it's not a LE model 460. I believe the 460 is comparable to the 6850, and that's still on the low end of the recommendation spectrum.
Unless you just can't run games how you want with it I'd say hold off until the next round of cards.
What do you think of this card? I was thinking of buying 3 to go 3-way SLI!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-753
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-753
I'm almost in the same exact boat. Recently built an i5 system but kept my old 460. I can still run everything well so really upgrading is just a luxury at this point. Though I'm still debating the 660ti or 7950. For reference, the 660ti is about 3x as powerful as the 460. It would be a good upgrade. But there's really not many games pushing the envelope anymore. I may just wait as well.
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i just played proteus for the first time
Cases are all about aesthetics. Pick whatever you want that looks good.
If you want functional over aesthetics or a mix of both (such as being able to hide cables behind the motherboard) then ask here.
Motherboard, it depends what you want. Go with an H77(?) or Z77 board and overclock that cpu. Also get a hyper 212 Evo.
3 gens behind? Kind of interesting, but I wonder if you would experience much of a change buying 3 for SLi vs getting an equally priced current gen.. considering how slowly graphics requirements have crawled in the past couple of years.
Crap, one of my 2TB Hitachi drives in my Windows Home Server system failed last night - over 2000 reallocated sectors, according to CrystalDiskInfo.
Are WD Reds the current standing recommendation for mass storage? I'd been hoping to hold out a little longer and build a nice ZFS system, but the server has less than 1 drive's worth of free space now, which makes me a little nervous...
Are WD Reds the current standing recommendation for mass storage? I'd been hoping to hold out a little longer and build a nice ZFS system, but the server has less than 1 drive's worth of free space now, which makes me a little nervous...
I went from a 460 to a 7950 and it was a big upgrade for me. I can play Sleeping Dogs on extreme instead of a mix of low-medium settings. BF3 runs beautifully now with the new Catalyst beta drivers.
Plus you get 3 free games and a substantial discount on another if you buy a 7950.
7950 also OCs like a beast.
Bad idea. A GTX 670 would spank Tri SLI 280s.
Not to mention 280s run hot, has less VRAM (sli the VRAM does not stack), no dx11 support, etc.
darkblade77
Member
Realized the other day my older machine isn't getting much use, and it's still packing a GTX 275.
I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to place this in my current machine as a PhysX card. Around how powerful a PSU would I need to be able to support the GTX 275 and my current GTX 470?
I think i have a OCZ Modstream 600W in there right now. I have a Corsair 650W I could swap it out for as well.
EDIT: More research has led me to think that I need something more in the 750 range, and that this is probably a waste of time/overkill for just PhysX.
I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to place this in my current machine as a PhysX card. Around how powerful a PSU would I need to be able to support the GTX 275 and my current GTX 470?
I think i have a OCZ Modstream 600W in there right now. I have a Corsair 650W I could swap it out for as well.
EDIT: More research has led me to think that I need something more in the 750 range, and that this is probably a waste of time/overkill for just PhysX.
Not sure if I'm gonna bother OC'ing but whatever. What are the other differences?
Edit: This looks nice I guess - http://www.amazon.com/Crafted-Series-Tower-Steel-Chassis/dp/B003WE9WQO/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1351197420&sr=8-9&keywords=computer+case
Yeah, you'll get a much better experience with 1 670 than 3 280's. You might get a bit better synthetic benchmarks with the tri-sli but real world performance will favour the 670 and you'l have waaay less issues with the 670.
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