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Scan.co.uk, Amazon, Aria, Ebuyer, CCL. They are all great. I usually stick with Amazon and Scan.
VisceralBowl
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnsoI don't understand the reference
http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=1743058#1743058
Maybe this helps? (Realtek audio driver conflicting with the GPUs audio driver)
Anyone ?
The 8600 GT has more memory bandwidth, but the GT 620 has more GFLOPs and modern games should be optimized for its architecture. I'd say the GT 620 given how my 8600m GT was about as powerful as Intel HD 3000.
The GT 620 also comes in two versions, a rebranded GT 520 (for OEMs) and a rebranded GT 530. The former is 30W while the latter is 49W. Considering the 8600 GT was 43W I really hope the GT 530 beats it with a 50% smaller processing node
Zomba13
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I could probably get the OC working again with a bit of work but it was running quite hot (like 80c+ in games. Didn't used to run that hot I don't think) even with the watercooling and I'm not 100% sure if it was the cause of FFXIV causing my system to fully crash (not had a crash since I reset the bios settings).
Might be better and more stable for me to just get a new CPU (though that would need a new mobo). I don't mind getting a new Mobo and CPU (and I can even give it a go OCing again and seeing how things run and getting even more Ghz than what I can with my current one).
I'd stick to Amazon, Dabs and Novatech. CCL aren't bad either.
The One Who Knocks
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I'm pretty much clueless with regard to computer builds (I have read the original post which was a help) and my brother is about to purchase a computer with the following:
(apologies for using images, I had to screencapture everything while he was away so I could check them myself and this is more convenient than typing everything out and looking for where he's purchasing everything).
Now, despite not knowing a huge amount (I am slightly more knowledgeable than he is, but not by a significant factor) about computer parts, I feel pretty confident that for the money that is being spent, better, more affordable parts could be chosen. The maximum budget seems to be somewhere in the €800-€900 range including shipping (to Ireland). I haven't said anything to him yet because, as I've mentioned, I'm not hugely knowledgeable and don't want to dissuade him in case that is the best he can do (even though I don't think he should purchase one so soon without doing much research), but I do want to ensure he's not being completely ripped off. Does anybody know a better build for such an amount? His intention is to play games (he wants to 'future proof' it but I'm aware it's a fool's errand with that budget).
If I was to get one myself, I'd personally hold off on a purchase (which is what I'm actually doing as I'm considering a build myself but want to research further and wait to see if the next generation games leads to any jump in specifications or new standards) but he's pretty stubborn about purchasing it in the near future (he was intending to purchase it before next Friday so I'm operating under the assumption that he hasn't already placed an order). Any help would be appreciated because, as I've mentioned, I really don't know enough to check myself or I'd do so and this is the only real assistance (that is, seeking assistance from those who are more knowledgeable) that I can provide.
EDIT: Oh and just for ease:
Your Current Specs: N/A
Budget: €900 (roughly, I'm not sure if there's a limit) + Ireland
Main Use: Gaming. I don't know how 'intensive' he will be so I know that makes it quite difficult. I don't think any image or video editting software will be used.
Monitor Resolution: I don't know, I think a monitor is required; I'm unsure if he has one already.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I don't believe there are any specific requirements.
Looking to reuse any parts?: N/A
When will you build?: He intends to purchase the pieces by next Friday so it could be before that.
Will you be overclocking?: I don't know.
As can be seen, I know that's not very helpful which is why I didn't include it initially.
(apologies for using images, I had to screencapture everything while he was away so I could check them myself and this is more convenient than typing everything out and looking for where he's purchasing everything).
Now, despite not knowing a huge amount (I am slightly more knowledgeable than he is, but not by a significant factor) about computer parts, I feel pretty confident that for the money that is being spent, better, more affordable parts could be chosen. The maximum budget seems to be somewhere in the €800-€900 range including shipping (to Ireland). I haven't said anything to him yet because, as I've mentioned, I'm not hugely knowledgeable and don't want to dissuade him in case that is the best he can do (even though I don't think he should purchase one so soon without doing much research), but I do want to ensure he's not being completely ripped off. Does anybody know a better build for such an amount? His intention is to play games (he wants to 'future proof' it but I'm aware it's a fool's errand with that budget).
If I was to get one myself, I'd personally hold off on a purchase (which is what I'm actually doing as I'm considering a build myself but want to research further and wait to see if the next generation games leads to any jump in specifications or new standards) but he's pretty stubborn about purchasing it in the near future (he was intending to purchase it before next Friday so I'm operating under the assumption that he hasn't already placed an order). Any help would be appreciated because, as I've mentioned, I really don't know enough to check myself or I'd do so and this is the only real assistance (that is, seeking assistance from those who are more knowledgeable) that I can provide.
EDIT: Oh and just for ease:
Your Current Specs: N/A
Budget: €900 (roughly, I'm not sure if there's a limit) + Ireland
Main Use: Gaming. I don't know how 'intensive' he will be so I know that makes it quite difficult. I don't think any image or video editting software will be used.
Monitor Resolution: I don't know, I think a monitor is required; I'm unsure if he has one already.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I don't believe there are any specific requirements.
Looking to reuse any parts?: N/A
When will you build?: He intends to purchase the pieces by next Friday so it could be before that.
Will you be overclocking?: I don't know.
As can be seen, I know that's not very helpful which is why I didn't include it initially.
HWmonitor can keep track of most parts of the computer.
KillerDark
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Thanks, is Real Temp pretty much the same?
Also, what's a good average temp after a few hours of hard gaming and when should I start to get worried?
Thanks again.
The One Who Knocks
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With regards to the cost of delivery, an i7 for example, to be delivered, is only 5 while choosing standard delivery but other products' delivery cost can vary (generally it's not too significant). The CPU was the main thing that caught my attention as I assumed he should be getting an i3, i5 (which would seem the best option considering the budget) or an i7 as opposed to the AMD (which is why I've posted here). I'll suggest the 'great' build if there aren't any more 'specific' suggestions, thanks.
MSI Z87 G45, 4670K, G.Skill 8GB RAM, BeQuiet Pure power L8 530W, WD 1TB caviar blue, Windows 8 OEM. Graphics card is upto you. With a 7950 this reaches £737 ~868. Go with GTX 660 and you save around another £70. This is all from Amazon UK since I don't know who else ships there.
Then you pick the case, keyboard and mouse.
OK so I'm having a problem with my new 4770K. I tried switching the fan on it and it went from 88C in AIDA64 FPU test to 100C with throttling. I switched back to the fan I was using and it is the same high temp. I figured the HSF became a little loose so I took it off, cleaned it, reapplied the thermal paste and tried again and it is still hot. At stock clock it is as hot as it was at 4.5 this morning. Any ideas?
my godddddddd
why are all 7950/7970/r9 280x so long.
My rig is 4 years old.
GPU upgrade would improve my fps greatly. I was aiming for 7950, because it is cheap and has great OC potential.
My current GPU has 24cm and it has maybe 1-1.5cm space left (when it is plugged etc)
Smallest length of AMD GPU (7950 or higher) is 27cm.
Smallest length of GTX 760 is 20 cm. But yea, lets say 24-25cm.
I want a GPU for two generations, then I will upgrade my whole rig.
I can get a GTX 760 for about the price of 7950. Worth upgrading in my case?
why are all 7950/7970/r9 280x so long.
My rig is 4 years old.
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Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 2,66GHz @ 3,66 GHz
2x4GB GoodRam 1333 MHz@1444 MHz
ATI reference Powercolor Radeon HD 5850 @ 900/1250 1.1V (can do 950/1300 on a little higher voltage)
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W
Cooler Master Mystique 631GPU upgrade would improve my fps greatly. I was aiming for 7950, because it is cheap and has great OC potential.
My current GPU has 24cm and it has maybe 1-1.5cm space left (when it is plugged etc)
Smallest length of AMD GPU (7950 or higher) is 27cm.
Smallest length of GTX 760 is 20 cm. But yea, lets say 24-25cm.
I want a GPU for two generations, then I will upgrade my whole rig.
I can get a GTX 760 for about the price of 7950. Worth upgrading in my case?
Sleeping Lesson
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They've been there for a week, same with the 290x.
Scan is normally the best. OcUK second.
Anyone?
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Untrue.
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The two Asus cards are listed as 256-bit while all the others are 384. Why would that be?
They haven't been there for a week. Models weren't even announced until Tuesday. Less than 2 Days isn't a Week.
What do you mean cheaper alternatives. If it's cheaper it generally doesn't give the same performance. Especially that build looks solid. You could cut the motherboard down to the Biostar in the OP, but that's about it if you want the same performance.
Typo, of course. All 7970's/280x's have a 384-Bit Bus.
What's your budget ? I guess if you are in for some hardcore stuff, I'd recommend you pick up one of the enthusiast proposals in the OP.
Difficult to go lower if you stick to your components of choice. I am not certain you need a CPU cooler at all.
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Cool. That's what I thunk.
Are Scan usually cheaper than ebuyer? I usually use ebuyer, amazon or novatech.
Never had a problem with any of them.
batman2million
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Which one would be the best one to get out of those? and when do you guys think it'll be for sale or at retail stores? There's a frys close to me so I'm thinking of getting it from there.
I wouldn't say anywhere is cheaper than anywhere else bar Aria with processors, but then they whack £10 delivery onto orders.
i always try to stick to Amazon where possible, just a pity they're not part of Never Settle or any NVIDIA promotions.
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I'm a giant fan of Asus and their DirectCU II. My GTX670 had that, and it was virtually silent even under load. I have a Gigabyte Windforce GTX660 in my Steambox that I love too though - so I'd be happy getting either of those in 280X flavor.
I have a Fry's too, and I love the place, but a good argument against going there to get GPU's is you pay quite a bit in TAX. That's why I usually buy more expensive things from Newegg. (Amazon is a no go, since we pay TAX there now as well). This is in Texas, BTW.
Then again, 30 or so dollars might be worth it for peace of mind. If you had issues with the card, it would be easy to return it. You wouldn't have to go through the Eggs RMA process.
As far as which model. Asus is looking the best right now, according to the reviews. Quiet, good performance, good cooling, power consumption, etc.
Sapphire seems to have dropped the ball. Vapor-X on the 280x seems to consume a lot of power, and it's loud.
Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 280X Vapor-X OC 3GB Review
ASUS R9 280X DirectCU II TOP Video Card Review
opticalmace
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If you get a 280X, get the "DC2T" version. It's only $10 more MSRP and is faster (comes OC'd and stuffs).
That would be this one, in that list... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803
See below from a review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/07/asus_r9_280x_directcu_ii_top_video_card_review/9#.UlWzAhCc5I0
batman2million
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I'm in Texas as well, Houston. I thought Newegg charges tax for Texas? This could be a good point.
So I think it may be time for a new power supply.
I am having some PC sleep issues, which I think seem to come from a PSU that no longer provides steady low power to keep the system awake.
Any suggestions on diagnosing the PSU? If not, any suggestions on a good valued PSU that is also quiet? 3570K, 7950 and an SSD, so I imagine something like the suggested Antec BP550 would work?
The BFG I have in now is only a few years old, but since BFG is gone, no RMA chances.
I am having some PC sleep issues, which I think seem to come from a PSU that no longer provides steady low power to keep the system awake.
Any suggestions on diagnosing the PSU? If not, any suggestions on a good valued PSU that is also quiet? 3570K, 7950 and an SSD, so I imagine something like the suggested Antec BP550 would work?
The BFG I have in now is only a few years old, but since BFG is gone, no RMA chances.
Nah, they don't. Amazon on the other hand. I'm still bitter about Amazon.
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Huh, looks like Newegg pulled the 280's down now.
I still see them.
opticalmace
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- try an alternate PSU if you have one/can borrow one
- maybe try booting into Linux on a USB stick, put it into sleep mode and see if it behaves properly (might point to a windows software issure)
- any bios settings that might affect low-power states??
What GPU do you have , and what CPU is that?
Sleeping Lesson
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The 290x, at least, has been on NewEgg for a week. I set an auto-notify last Wednesday. It's irrelevant, of course, but it was there.
Sadly no other power supply.
But I can try a linux usb stick and see how it works out.
And I reset bios to default and cleared the CMOS, so should not be an issue there.
dorkimoe
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Depends on your chip, HS, and how noise sensitive you are.
4.2-4.3 shouldn't be a problem.
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1MAue is this an ok build for dota 2 and lol at 1080p? Maybe some other games on med settings. I have stretched my friends budget as much as i possibly can
opticalmace
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Are you gaming at 1080p? If I were you I would OC your cpu, and just get the new vid card. If then you found that performance was still lacking you could update the other components, having already gotten the new gpu...
I did a quick look and your 860 should be kinda comparable to my 2500k. OC it and it's still a pretty fast processor for gaming. IMO.
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