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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.
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Hi PC-GAF
So I have some Amazon credit I can use and I was wondering should I get a 500gb SSD or should I just use a 250gb with my current 64gb SSD? Is it easy to move everything over?
I was also wondering if I should upgrade to Windows 8/8.1 when I get my new SSD. How easy is it to install a new OS? I haven't installed any since I first got my PC.
So I have some Amazon credit I can use and I was wondering should I get a 500gb SSD or should I just use a 250gb with my current 64gb SSD? Is it easy to move everything over?
I was also wondering if I should upgrade to Windows 8/8.1 when I get my new SSD. How easy is it to install a new OS? I haven't installed any since I first got my PC.
opticalmace
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If it's a good PSU you should be okay. Anandtech tested a 780 with a 3960X @ 4.3GHz and the system draw maxed out at 405W (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review/19). I would think worst case scenario is your system is unstable and you buy a new PSU, but maybe someone else will chime in.
Man, this thread is a nice way to not lose my mind while I work all night lol.
Its a fabulous time to buy one. The Ti version will be much more expensive.
I haven't built a full PC before but it's only $40 difference. I may as well save my time.
CrankyKong
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I put together a new system about three days ago and I've had nothing but trouble since.
Three main problems:
1. "AMD display driver has stopped working and has recovered" every ten minutes. Screen goes blank then comes back on. Causes games to go to desktop, system is frozen. I can't roll back drivers because these are the latest ones and the only ones installed.
2. Sleeping Dogs crashes the entire system, switches everything off. No other game so far has done this but Ive read on steam forums that other people have had this problem so at this point Im willing to put this aside and just assume its the games fault.
3. "The main bios is corrupted. The system recovered from backup bios". The system just crashed by itself minutes ago, tries to switch on and off over and over again, and now it won't turn on at all.
If anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated.
I will return parts if necessary but I don't even know whats causing these problems.
So far its a $2000 lemon
Three main problems:
1. "AMD display driver has stopped working and has recovered" every ten minutes. Screen goes blank then comes back on. Causes games to go to desktop, system is frozen. I can't roll back drivers because these are the latest ones and the only ones installed.
2. Sleeping Dogs crashes the entire system, switches everything off. No other game so far has done this but Ive read on steam forums that other people have had this problem so at this point Im willing to put this aside and just assume its the games fault.
3. "The main bios is corrupted. The system recovered from backup bios". The system just crashed by itself minutes ago, tries to switch on and off over and over again, and now it won't turn on at all.
If anyone has any ideas it would be appreciated.
I will return parts if necessary but I don't even know whats causing these problems.
So far its a $2000 lemon
CreepingFear
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I'm seriously considering canceling the consoles and getting either an EVGA 780 Classified or a 780ti. The 780 ti will still be cheaper than both consoles + accessories(xbox live, ps plus, play and charge kit). I figure I have between the 8-10th for a safe point to cancel before the PS4 gets charged on my account and ships.
fluffydelusions
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I keep considering the same cause there is nothing i want atm that won't be on PC but I know I will buy a ps4 in a few months regardless for infamous and i doubt the price will change till then.
CreepingFear
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Fuck man, you have no idea how many times I've gone back and forth. I thought about SLI even, but I bought a Nexus 5 so that's out of the question now.
Prophet Steve
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The best thing that you can do is get a cheaper card and upgrade again in a few years.
Or why only one 780ti?
CreepingFear
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fluffydelusions
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hey i just purchased the n5 too lol
I think my front panel fan is hitting the frame. It's easy to take out of the case and the wires run through a little tunnel, so it's not a wire hitting the fan. The fan is seriously hitting the frame I think. Kinda annoying, is this common with this case? (Fractal design define R4 Black Pearl) and is there a way to fix this? I'd rather have it on, but the sound is too much so I had to take it off.
So right now I only have my back fan and the CM 212 EVO running for cooling and my CPU temps are between 21 and 27 degrees (celcius). Haven't done any gaming yet though, just firefox/steam are running basically. Those good temps for that right? (for i7)
Edit: Doing fastest virus scan and getting 50's now. But it's back and forth between 25 and 50's.
I'm not sure actually. Didn't know there was a difference, I think it was all the same though?
That is true.
So right now I only have my back fan and the CM 212 EVO running for cooling and my CPU temps are between 21 and 27 degrees (celcius). Haven't done any gaming yet though, just firefox/steam are running basically. Those good temps for that right? (for i7)
Edit: Doing fastest virus scan and getting 50's now. But it's back and forth between 25 and 50's.
I'm not sure actually. Didn't know there was a difference, I think it was all the same though?
That is true.
CreepingFear
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N5 buddies!
CreepingFear
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I need to see how much cheaper the 780ti is at cost. My new job allows me to get computer parts at cost.
I bought that exact same card earlier this morning from scan too. Amazing price, for what is essentially a TITAN beater. It's the fastest 780 on the market I believe.
Full review here http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/59857-zotac-geforce-gtx-780-amp-edition-updated/
It's fine.
CreepingFear
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If I do get a 780 or 780ti, should I have by GTX 670 be a dedicated PhysX card? I'm probably not going to sell it anyways. I planned to keep it as a backup emergency card. Or, will having the 780 or 780ti run in x16 be better? My chipset will turn both pcie 2.0 to x8 if running two cards.
It doesn't hurt too, but the system power draw would be higher than it needs to be. I think it was sketch who did the quick test and found decent improvement with a dedicated Phsyx card.
CreepingFear
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I think PhysX is mostly bullshit, but the snow in Arkham Origins was very pretty. It kind of convinced me more than cloth and newspapers in the other games. As far as draw, I have a Corsair AX850, I think I'm good.
Quick question:-
What is the best purchase option out of a GTX 670 and a GTX 760? Both with 2GB ram, and around the same price (£10-£20 difference).
I was tempted by the Zotac GTX 780 which has been posted above, but seems like overkill and it's double the price of either the 670 or 760.
What is the best purchase option out of a GTX 670 and a GTX 760? Both with 2GB ram, and around the same price (£10-£20 difference).
I was tempted by the Zotac GTX 780 which has been posted above, but seems like overkill and it's double the price of either the 670 or 760.
CreepingFear
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They perform around the same. I believe the 760 is a rebranded 670 anyways, unless I'm corrected. I say get whichever is cheaper.
Edit: I read from another site that the 760 is rebranded 660ti. Here are benchmark comparisons of the 670 and 760 from anadtech http://anandtech.com/bench/product/830?vs=854
CreepingFear
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The 670 is still a great card. Hope it works out for you.
FlyingTeacup
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what do you guys think of this monitor, aoc i2757fm, ips, 27" and decent all rounder. The price is good.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008L5OGKQ/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008L5OGKQ/
The H80i is a good cooler. I am a fan of the closer water-cooling solutions versus the standard air fans. Takes up less space in your case making it easier to work in, and it looks better. My H80i runs my 2600k @ 4.6hz. When gaming temps are mostly in the mid 60s. If you can get it, I'd recommend going for it.
It could be because I have a really good 2600k, but 1.4v still seems a bit high to me for 4.6ghz. I'm currently running mine at 1.3v for 4.6ghz. In the past I had it in the sub 1.3v area. If you'd like to reduce your temps, I would keep testing and lowering the voltage until you start getting blue screens. Adjust etc until you find a good resting point. Of course if you're fine where you're at now, that's cool.
Did you manually OC, or use software to do so?
IMO no. The 780/ti is enough to handle both tasks.
basic_element
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I currrently have a HP pavillion desktop with an AMD A8-5600K CPU. I'm looking to add a dedicated GPU and wanted to know at which point would my CPU become the bottle neck? Would a AMD 7950 be a good match for this CPU? Or should I go Nvidia?
Also any recommendation on a cheap but sufficient PSU would be appreciated. Thanks.
Also any recommendation on a cheap but sufficient PSU would be appreciated. Thanks.
No such thing. Gpu limited games will always take advantage of a better gpu. Cpu limited games will always take advantage of a better cpu.
Get whatever fits your budget.
As for psu look for an xfx or seasonic on sale.
Telling us what country you are in will help someone find a specific deal for you.
opticalmace
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Re: SATA2/3, make sure you check your motherboard's manual and see which port you've connected it to.
I was doing some work in my case the other day and noticed I totally put my SSDs on the wrong ports. I swapped them to SATA3 ports and it made a noticeable difference in both Linux and Windows. Like, things opened faster and it felt snappier!
So yeah, definitely check just in case.
Make sure you check how big a video card your case can accomodate before you buy anything, BTW.
scottzorus
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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)
With this setup, what would be the best fans to get and where to put them? Intake/exhaust? Really not sure how to setup the whole fan situation. The only fans I have right now are the ones that came with the case. Any help
would be appreciated, thanks.
Edit: Will be overclocking, not sure if that would mean I need more fans.
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit)
With this setup, what would be the best fans to get and where to put them? Intake/exhaust? Really not sure how to setup the whole fan situation. The only fans I have right now are the ones that came with the case. Any help
would be appreciated, thanks.
Edit: Will be overclocking, not sure if that would mean I need more fans.
A common setup is to have one intake fan in the front and one exhaust in the back. Make sure you mount the Hyper 212 fan to support the air flow of the case.
My LG Flatron w2261v - pf monitor died. It powers on but then just goes off. Been having weird problems with it for a while now but now it's completely dead. Just instantly goes off.
Don't think I can fix that, any tips for a new monitor? The LG I have is 21.5 inches. Would 23 inches be better or is it not that noticeable?
I'm looking at the ASUS VE247H now.
Don't think I can fix that, any tips for a new monitor? The LG I have is 21.5 inches. Would 23 inches be better or is it not that noticeable?
I'm looking at the ASUS VE247H now.
CreepingFear
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I think I'll try it without the 670 at x16 speed and I can always throw the 670 in if Physx is killing fps in something to see if there is an improvement.
Next week, probably the 8th, will be judgement day for me. Based on the reviews of the 780ti, which is supposed to come out on the 7th I believe, I'm going to decide whether I should keep the new consoles or get a 780 or 780ti. If the 780ti is that much of an improvement over the Titan and 780, then that's what I'll be getting. If it's very mild, I'll save the money and get the 780 most likely. I know value wise I should probably get the 780, but I went with the 2600k when everyone told me to get the 2500k and I don't regret it.
THE:MILKMAN
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PC GAF, my brother want's to finally upgrade his aged PC to mainly play Warcraft plus GTA5 if it gets released and any racers that take his fancy.
He only needs CPU/MOBO/RAM/PSU. He will until early next year stick with the Radeon HD6850 I sold to him. His budget is a tight ~£350 and am unsure whether to go the latest Z87/4670 or go 3rd gen.
How would you spend the tight budget?
Cheers.
He only needs CPU/MOBO/RAM/PSU. He will until early next year stick with the Radeon HD6850 I sold to him. His budget is a tight ~£350 and am unsure whether to go the latest Z87/4670 or go 3rd gen.
How would you spend the tight budget?
Cheers.
If he can save up the extra I'd go for this
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.69 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£104.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£48.99 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Crucial BLT2CP4G3D1608DT1TX0CEU 8GB (2x 4GB) Ballistix Tactical Memory (£54.00)
Total: £382.67
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-03 20:15 GMT+0000)
It is the best option in the long run as you'll have an overclockable CPU, a good motherboard for it and a PSU to handle any single GPU. All that would be needed would be a Hyper 212 to overclock the CPU for around £25 down the line when he has more funds.
If money is really tight and doesn't want to save a bit more you can drop to Ivy and get a 450w PSU
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£165.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£104.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£35.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Other: Crucial BLT2CP4G3D1608DT1TX0CEU 8GB (2x 4GB) Ballistix Tactical Memory (£54.00)
Total: £360.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-03 20:20 GMT+0000)
There is lastly this combo within budget where you go for a less able motherboard when it comes to overclocking but it allows for the 550w PSU
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£165.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£79.49 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£48.99 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Crucial BLT2CP4G3D1608DT1TX0CEU 8GB (2x 4GB) Ballistix Tactical Memory (£54.00)
Total: £348.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-03 20:21 GMT+0000)
All of those options are solid choices. I would imagine it will be between build 1 with Haswell and build 3 with the G45.
maneil99
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Get a 780. 780 will be s smaller jump then titan is to a 780. ( 2 SMX and 300 cuda cores vs 1 SMX and 150 cuda cores). Not to mention aftermarket coolers wont be thier day one aswell as stock will be low at launch. Plus with maxwell in Q2 packing nearly 2.5x the specs as the 780ti. Will be a massive leap
Only factor is the 7ghz memory in the Ti vs Regular GTX. Wont factor unless your memory bottlenecked in 1440p
Thats solid.
Clone your SSD to a bigger SSD. 250GB is enough imo.
Might as well wait 2 weeks and we should have more info on everything.;
New GPU is nice, but so are new titles. IMO the launch lineup for both consoles isn't worth buying Day 1 and I've played both consoles a few times already.
That sounds fine. You can contact whoever sold you the case or Fractal, you should be able to get a new fan replacement.
There's a bug that can cause this with SSDs I think (Either them or a low power BIOS option), I forget exactly what this is as it was a while ago.
OP is also personal
I'd say Spawn and Mech KB, screw your priorities!
Used 2500K/3570K plus a $100 Z77 board = $230 + BP550 or other modular 500W ($65) + 8GB DDR3 ($60, can also buy used since it's all lifetime warranty)
Quickfire TK, if you want a hybrid 10key pad.
maneil99
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Theres no such thing as a GHz edition. Its just a OC model similiar to the acx model. Everything you read about it being some new chip was false, some idiot made a thread about it I think. Its just a regular aftermarket 780. No superchip nothing. If the 780 is maxing your budget why even consider a 780 ti. Its 200$ more. Buy the ACX SC. Your only wasting your time if you wait
Well i dont have an SSD in my PC so thay cannot be it.
The weird part is how irregular it happens.
Had a BSOD then 2 days it ran fine and Then it happens again.
If it did BSOD every single time ,it would be easy to surmise something is broken but it works fine 6a7 out of 10 times.
yes, it is called Radeon pro.
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