-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine
- Thread starter Hazaro
- Start date
- Status
Chances are if it's years down the line (2+ years) you'd be better off just getting a new single GPU. 20nm tech would've matured by then so we should be getting a good boost over the 28nm cards of today. You can get the big wattage one if you want just in case you ever do go SLI but my feeling is if you're not doing it from the off it's likely you won't do it in 2-3 years, rather just change to a new single GPU solution and save yourself from the headaches that SLI will bring.
Of course looks are important in choosing a case, so it is important to choose something that pleases you aesthetically. The cases I'm looking at like the R4 would have you spending less than you are now. To give you an idea what size the R4 is (and that NZXT) for fitting stuff in it this is it with 2 GPUs and an air cooler, and one of the front drive cages are removed
The NZXT is similarly spacious. This is it with a single GPU and a closed loop water cooler
Now for the XL R2 (or any other full tower case) they're really designed for doing one of these two set-ups, either 3-4 GPUs or full on water cooling like in the pictures below
My opinion would be that for 2 or less GPUs then a mid-tower is more than enough room. There's no need for a full tower unless you're doing one or both of the scenarios above. It's not a great quality image but here's the size difference between two Fractal cases, one is a mid tower (like the R4) and the other a full tower (like the XL R2)
Thanks guys, ordered one.
Now I pretty much have the entire enthusiast build from your Prodigy build, mkenyon. Really loving the Asus VI Impact motherboard (first Asus board ever)
Make sure and post some pics when you're done! We don't get enough pictures of completed builds in here for my liking.
It still feels like mATX boards though in the mid-range are poorer cousins to their ATX versions, although this is me going by 1155 ones. I've not really looked in to 1150 boards to see how the two sizes shape up at the more affordable end.
It is yeah, but I've found more often than not now there is usually a better option than it around the $60 mark. The problem is keeping track as the offers change so quick. Today for instance the Rosewill Capstone 550w is $50.
jeremy70583
Member
So i was thinking about building a PC to go in my living room, but would have liked it to fit in my stand: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008OS1WGQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
is this not feasible? all the cases i see in the micro are still too tall. I could probably create a floating shelf for the pc, just hoping to fit it into a cubby.
is this not feasible? all the cases i see in the micro are still too tall. I could probably create a floating shelf for the pc, just hoping to fit it into a cubby.
Ask and ye shall receive.
Check this out: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95808604&postcount=3
So, I'm still on my initial planning on what Monitor to buy while I wait for amazon to ship my RAM. I had been thinking of this Viewsonic VX2370SMH-LED 23" monitor. Is this any good? Any who bought this?
Lord almighty.
It'll probably be competitive until at least 2015, especially when OC'd.
Do you already own the i3 by any chance? As it's two generations old otherwise and there are better options.
Different PSU needed too. Are you looking for an HTPC in the same of say a PS4 or something? As the Prodigy is quite big
jeremy70583
Member
Thanks, but the specs on that thing says 210mm, which is over 8 inches, while the cubby is 6 inches tall.
What are you looking to do with it? I was throwing this together for the guy up above as an option
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($116.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-ITX Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.66 @ OutletPC)
Case: Silverstone ML05B HTPC Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Silverstone 300W 80+ Bronze Certified SFX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $400.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-06 15:51 EST-0500)
Only downer with it is if you need an optical drive it's no good.
TC McQueen
Member
This seems like a good fit for you: http://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ01&area=&top=C
It'll last through PS4/XBone. A single core OC'd is almost more powerful than the entire CPU in them.
Look at Silverstone RVZ01 in that post. It's like 4" high.
why the WD over a hitachi, I figured after that failure report hitachi was the way to go...
OriginofHysteria
Banned
]
I have the R4 case and this same cooler (H80i), and currently I have the fan, radiator, fan. Is it beneficial to just have the radiator and the fan as an exhaust?
jeremy70583
Member
I'm looking for a gaming PC. Was eyeing the parts in the 1k model in the OP. would something like that fit the case, or would i need to order special parts to fit? No optical drive needed. would just be using wifi, bluetooth keyboard/mouse/controller, and have HDMI out.
As long as both fans on your H80 are the same, and are pointing in the same direction (hopefully exhaust out the back), then it'll perform better than a single fan.
Again, I'd direct you to the SFF guide, and the RVZ01.
I'd also advise for standard radio wireless over Bluetooth. BT has some pretty nasty input lag.
Can someone explain to me again how GPU wattage works again? Like, I've seen someone say a GPU with 2x8pin = 300W + 75W from the PCIe slot. (375W total for just the GPU)
However, I then looked up a review for a GPU with two 8pin slots and the entire system pulled around 303W in stress.
However, I then looked up a review for a GPU with two 8pin slots and the entire system pulled around 303W in stress.
Coreda
Member
Has anyone here used Thermolab CPU coolers before? They're a Korean brand that seem to make rather remarkable low profile coolers.
Their BADA model received a 94% review score on FrostyTech, outperforming many other larger, well-rated coolers. The updated BADA2010 model also rating highly and improving the noise levels, besting the Noctua U9B in temps and being almost equal in noise.
Hard to find many user reviews of these as they don't appear to be sold many places internationally, but from what I've read owners have been pleased with their low temps. It seems they don't offer an international warranty, but otherwise I've been seriously considering one.
Their BADA model received a 94% review score on FrostyTech, outperforming many other larger, well-rated coolers. The updated BADA2010 model also rating highly and improving the noise levels, besting the Noctua U9B in temps and being almost equal in noise.
Hard to find many user reviews of these as they don't appear to be sold many places internationally, but from what I've read owners have been pleased with their low temps. It seems they don't offer an international warranty, but otherwise I've been seriously considering one.
They're rated for absolute worst case scenario, as well as overhead for overclocking. If you OC a GPU to the limit of the silicon, and then ran it in something like Furmark, you might get pretty close to the max draw.
You definitely can not determine a videocard's draw by pin configuration.
Figured something like that when I saw a guru3d review of a GTX 770 with full system wattage at 303W
Little hard to believe the rest of the system would only pull 3W Thanks for the info.
And Kharma, here's a picture, I've posted it a while ago in this thread. Only upgrading the PSU because it's getting noisy
Hours Left
Member
So I finally set up my new laptop, and now I'm looking for a wireless mouse. Any suggestions?
I don't need anything fancy, just something that is reliable, easy to use, and suitable for general computer stuff but is still good for some gaming. Preferably inexpensive too.
I don't need anything fancy, just something that is reliable, easy to use, and suitable for general computer stuff but is still good for some gaming. Preferably inexpensive too.
The WD figures are skewed by their Green drives which have a fairly poor reliability record. The Blue's are solid as HDDs go.
Figured something like that when I saw a guru3d review of a GTX 770 with full system wattage at 303W
Thanks for the info.
And Kharma, here's a picture, I've posted it a while ago in this thread. Only upgrading the PSU because it's getting noisy
Nice.
Has anyone here used Thermolab CPU coolers before? They're a Korean brand that seem to make rather remarkable low profile coolers.
Their BADA model received a 94% review score on FrostyTech, outperforming many other larger, well-rated coolers. The updated BADA2010 model also rating highly and improving the noise levels, besting the Noctua U9B in temps and being almost equal in noise.
Hard to find many user reviews of these as they don't appear to be sold many places internationally, but from what I've read owners have been pleased with their low temps. It seems they don't offer an international warranty, but otherwise I've been seriously considering one.
What sort of price is that?
Yeah that case I suggested ain't no good. It's for HTPC rather than SFF gaming. As mkenyon said look to the RVZ01 case for an ITX chassis. It should fit.
I've liked Logitech's stuff. Depends on whether you want a full sized or a travel sized one. I've an M510 for desktop use (well I used to, lent it to my brother) and an M305 for my laptop. Very happy with both.
Coreda
Member
About $40-60 depending on where it's bought. Thermolab's site has a reseller list here, however only one US distributor had it in stock. Also found it on Gmarket.com for around $30 minus shipping.
Hours Left
Member
Yeah, I was looking at some Logitech stuff. The track pad keys on my new laptop are so damn sensitive that it's driving me crazy. (I know this a common issue with new laptops, but it's making me nuts.)
Plus I prefer the precision of a mouse.
Thanks.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Where's the cheapest place to get a Windows 8 key?
Infinite Justice
Member
damn a bunch of porn was posted on this page
dang :O
dang :O
great mouse
KillerDark
Member
I forgot to ask, why do you recommend switching to that mobo? Reviews seem to be lower for it.
Yeah, it's amazing. Only thing I seem to notice is some kind of... resistance? Like it skips movement every now and then. Is that what people mean when they say "angle snapping"? When I'm playing WoW and I'm dragging the mouse icon really fast to the taskbar and then stop, I feel like it skips or doesn't do the angle the way my hand does it.
It's kinda hard to explain. Maybe it's negative acceleration? So many mouse terms, I don't understand half of them
Better tactile feedback (it just feels better), longer durability and choice (different switches)
KillerDark
Member
I think I have my build figured out:
GPU: GeForce GTX 780 3GB
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE500BW 2.5" 500GB
Mobo: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan
Reusing:
PSU: CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W
RAM: 2x CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HDD: Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5
Probably going to order tomorrow or Saturday... anyone have any feedback?
GPU: GeForce GTX 780 3GB
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE500BW 2.5" 500GB
Mobo: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87
Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan
Reusing:
PSU: CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W
RAM: 2x CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HDD: Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5
Probably going to order tomorrow or Saturday... anyone have any feedback?
i'm gonna step in and tell you to grab a gigabyte z87 UD3H or 4H because it has better VRMs than the MSI
am I doing it right? PS i love my ud4h
My current PC:
Case: Corsair Carbide Series Black 400R Mid Tower Computer Case
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition AM3 CPU
GPU: XFX ATI Radeon HD 4850 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HD MI PCI-Express Video Card HD485XZNFC
HDD: Samsung Electronics MZ-7PD128BW 840 Pro Series 2.5-Inch 128GB SATA 6Gbps Solid State Drive
Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
PSU: Corsair CX Series 500 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Bronze ATX12V/EPS12V 456 Power Supply CX500M
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface 124 dB SNR / Headphone AMP Card
I'm indecisive right now. I'm content with my PC with what I currently use it for - general web browsing, HD video playback, and SD video streaming. But I have a strange urge to build a PC finally (I commissioned friends to help me build prior) for reasons... I'm not interested in PC games, but PS2 emulation is something I would be into. HD video streaming too depending on how much it'd be?
Budget: $600 U.S. I guess?
Looking to reuse any parts?: Definitely the soundcard. Probably the SSD too. Maybe the case. I'm leaning towards making my old PC the secondary spare. Thoughts?
When will you build?: No deadline really. That i5 4570 3.2 ghz for $180 is tempting, but my friend advises me that I should wait til Intel's new line of products arrive for sales on old stuff. Would it be worthwhile waiting though?
Will you be overclocking?: Not at all.
Edit: What I've gathered so far. How does it look?
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80+ Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $672.68
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-07 02:54 EST-0500)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series Black 400R Mid Tower Computer Case
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition AM3 CPU
GPU: XFX ATI Radeon HD 4850 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HD MI PCI-Express Video Card HD485XZNFC
HDD: Samsung Electronics MZ-7PD128BW 840 Pro Series 2.5-Inch 128GB SATA 6Gbps Solid State Drive
Memory: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
PSU: Corsair CX Series 500 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Bronze ATX12V/EPS12V 456 Power Supply CX500M
Soundcard: ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface 124 dB SNR / Headphone AMP Card
I'm indecisive right now. I'm content with my PC with what I currently use it for - general web browsing, HD video playback, and SD video streaming. But I have a strange urge to build a PC finally (I commissioned friends to help me build prior) for reasons... I'm not interested in PC games, but PS2 emulation is something I would be into. HD video streaming too depending on how much it'd be?
Budget: $600 U.S. I guess?
Looking to reuse any parts?: Definitely the soundcard. Probably the SSD too. Maybe the case. I'm leaning towards making my old PC the secondary spare. Thoughts?
When will you build?: No deadline really. That i5 4570 3.2 ghz for $180 is tempting, but my friend advises me that I should wait til Intel's new line of products arrive for sales on old stuff. Would it be worthwhile waiting though?
Will you be overclocking?: Not at all.
Edit: What I've gathered so far. How does it look?
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.49 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar Essence STX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80+ Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $672.68
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-07 02:54 EST-0500)
Dio Brando
Banned
so, as some of you know, some hdds i had were getting some bad sectors, and i bought new ones. finally came back from the trip, to find that the hdd where steam games were stored got corrupted for some reason, and practically my whole games library got corrupted.
My question: should i try using those recover programs(recuva, etc) or it would be really not organized, as in it would be easier to just download everything again instead?
My question: should i try using those recover programs(recuva, etc) or it would be really not organized, as in it would be easier to just download everything again instead?
OriginofHysteria
Banned
New goods. Change of mind, instead of getting the EVGA GTX 780 SC ACX, I got the MSI GTX 780 Lightning:
Nice box.
Nicer box inside.
Lo and behold, the card itself.
Seriously this thing is a mammoth.
Setup inside.
Lightning card on.
Damn MSI wasn't playing around with this card, this thing is a beaut. Now it's time to actually play with it!
Nice box.
Nicer box inside.
Lo and behold, the card itself.
Seriously this thing is a mammoth.
Setup inside.
Lightning card on.
Damn MSI wasn't playing around with this card, this thing is a beaut. Now it's time to actually play with it!
maneil99
Member
Start from scratch if I were you, I hate having a clogged HDD, I have OCD though so... Also depends on Bandwidth caps
maneil99
Member
I'd download a custom Bios if I were you. All they do is remove the stupid TDP cap on the card. For instance my 780 throttled because it hit the 108% limit (270w~) now it has access to 350w although it never uses anything close to that.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Yeah I was planning on doing that after reading up on it. Any source on where to d.l the bios?
So the RMA didn't turn out nearly as bad as I feared:
I'm not sure what it's supposed to be though, since there's no such thing as a 6GB Vapor-X 7970. Unless he really means the Toxic, which I guess has a Vapor-X cooler.
edit: nvm, I found it -- there really is a Vapor-X 6GB. never saw that one at NewEgg
I'm not sure what it's supposed to be though, since there's no such thing as a 6GB Vapor-X 7970. Unless he really means the Toxic, which I guess has a Vapor-X cooler.
edit: nvm, I found it -- there really is a Vapor-X 6GB. never saw that one at NewEgg
BeekleMatter
Member
mkenyon... that BitFenix Prodigy build... I'm getting sweaty...
EDIT: How much of an upgrade would a 770 be to a 7850? I've got the upgrade itch but I don't really know what or when to buy. That bitcoin bullshit inflating prices and what not -_-
EDIT: How much of an upgrade would a 770 be to a 7850? I've got the upgrade itch but I don't really know what or when to buy. That bitcoin bullshit inflating prices and what not -_-
onken
Member
Will try, thanks for the advice!
That would be a pretty big upgrade, and alot more software features would come into play. Go for it. 770 pricing seems sane.
You might as well re-use your Corsair CX PSU too, and just buy another 4GB of RAM. 8GB is plenty for that set up but if you want 12GB go ahead, it's just a bit overkill. Unless that is you want to keep those bits for a second PC as you've suggested. As that case is still good to go too.
Since emulation is important I recommend getting a 4670K and a Z87 motherboard so you can overclock. The bits you've chosen cannot do that and emulation benefits greatly as it's a CPU bound task.
This is also a better PSU for less than the Antec http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Picking your parts will all depend on what you're going to do with what you have. Either carry most over or create a second PC from it.
User reviews? None are great for Z87 on Newegg. It's a better board than the G45, and if you're doing to overclock you want the better VRMs and VRM cooling it offers
CM 690 II I'd not get either. Better choice would be something like the Fractal R4 or the NZXT H230.
It'd be a big jump. Try OCing your 7850 first to see if that helps with the performance itch. A lot of them can reach 1.2GHz.
- Status