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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine

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Nick

Junior Member
What do you consider cool? Do you want some aggressive looking case with a see through cover and all sorts of LEDs?
A case with a lot of LED lights looks cool to me. Just my opinion. Maybe a case with some color as well (red perhaps?).
 
Hey guys quick question, I think I asked this before but...

...is classified or FTW usually better than regular sc/acx or are they the same?

What's the best out of the versions, for example,

GTX 780ti sc acx
GTX 780ti FTW
GTX 780ti Classified

Are all these sc + acx? Why is classified more expensive?

Thanks.
 

Owari

Member
Okay. I got my GTX 770 all set up and it absolutely rocks. Now my next step is upgrading from 1080p to 1440p, but I've hit yet another speed bump. I was considering one 1440p in the middle, and two vertical 1080p on each side with noida surround. Only problem is I don't know if my GTX 770 and processor (AMD FX 4100) can handle the three screens in games without lag.

So I'm stuck. My other option would be to grab a 1600p monitor instead of the three.
 

kharma45

Member
A case with a lot of LED lights looks cool to me. Just my opinion. Maybe a case with some color as well (red perhaps?).

Just be careful you don't regret it down the line. You can still have a good looking case without such... excess.
 

mkenyon

Banned
The best way to solve the issue with the Node 304 is to get a fully modular PSU. I would also look at going with one of the Silverstone PSU's that are 140mm in length so you can have some room between the cables on the PSU and the video card.
Yupyup. That's why they are in the Node 304 build sheet. Helps a *ton*.
 

redlegs87

Member
I don't have to worry about getting windows 8 anymore a friend has a key and disc he has never used. After that I decided eh screw it move the budget up to 900 and upgraded from a 760 to a 770.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($317.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $902.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:10 EST-0500)

I am going to hold off on getting a after market cpu cooler since overclocking isn't a huge priority for me.
 
When is it looking like the next performance jump for CPUs will be? I'm still maxing games out on my i7 960 and I have the budget to upgrade but there doesn't seem to be much point.
 

kharma45

Member
I don't have to worry about getting windows 8 anymore a friend has a key and disc he has never used. After that I decided eh screw it move the budget up to 900 and upgraded from a 760 to a 770.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($317.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $902.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:10 EST-0500)

I am going to hold off on getting a after market cpu cooler since overclocking isn't a huge priority for me.

Swap the PSU to this one I've got in your build, same insides just a different name. I still recommend getting a Hyper 212 now as even if you don't want to overclock straight away (which tbh you should) it'll make your CPU run cooler and also quieter.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($315.68 @ B&H)
Case: Cougar Solution (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $910.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:23 EST-0500)

If I'm remembering correctly were you the poster who'd already purchased their case? Fwiw too I don't think the 760 to the 770 is worth the extra cash. In my opinion I'd drop down to a 760 and use that cash for an SSD instead.
 

kennah

Member
Spends $100 more for 10% speed increase.

Doensn't spend $25 more for a 30% speed increase.

And no SSD? Shame.
 

riflen

Member
Hey guys quick question, I think I asked this before but...

...is classified or FTW usually better than regular sc/acx or are they the same?

What's the best out of the versions, for example,

GTX 780ti sc acx
GTX 780ti FTW
GTX 780ti Classified

Are all these sc + acx? Why is classified more expensive?

Thanks.

These are just terms that EVGA use to distinguish product tiers. Incidentally, there is no GTX 780 Ti FTW,

Go here and look at the base and boost clocks. This determines the performance and the price. Classified is the top with 1020 Mhz base and 1085 Mhz boost.

ACX refers to the cooler type; ACX is a more effective cooler than the standard nvidia design (also called the reference cooler).
 

kharma45

Member
Spends $100 more for 10% speed increase.

Doensn't spend $25 more for a 30% speed increase.

And no SSD? Shame.

If I was able to dictate this is what I'd feel would offer best bang for buck rather than getting a 770

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($82.02 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $911.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:48 EST-0500)
 
I see a lot of reccomendations on samsung ssds. At the moment, i have a 128gb Crucial M225. is it really necessary to change it now?
 

NoRéN

Member
Spends $100 more for 10% speed increase.

Doensn't spend $25 more for a 30% speed increase.

And no SSD? Shame.

I've mentioned that plenty. It makes me laugh when I see people drop so much for gpus but no ssd.

I just don't get it.
Nope. Anything Crucial, Samsung or Kingston are good. Toshiba and Sandisk are next teir

Pretty much this right here. Some will be better than others in some areas( my sandisk extreme booted up windows 7 faster than my current samsung evo) but the main thing you all want is dependability.

going from hdd to ssd will be night and day anyway.
 
These are just terms that EVGA use to distinguish product tiers. Incidentally, there is no GTX 780 Ti FTW,

Go here and look at the base and boost clocks. This determines the performance and the price. Classified is the top with 1020 Mhz base and 1085 Mhz boost.

ACX refers to the cooler type; ACX is a more effective cooler than the standard nvidia design (also called the reference cooler).
Thanks.

Looks to me, my understanding is Classified are for those who want to overclock and it's built for it. It's also stockier and has 8+8 pin.

So many different versions.
 

mkenyon

Banned
If I was able to dictate this is what I'd feel would offer best bang for buck rather than getting a 770

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($82.02 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $911.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:48 EST-0500)
That's pretty much right on for what I'd suggest as the sub-$1000 build. Except I'd drop the HDD and try to find a good 250-256GB SSD on sale.

*edit*

Sorry for double post.
 
CPU : i7 4770k - 350$
Motherboard : Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H -185$
RAM : Crucial Ballistix Sport : 8GB - 80$
GPU : GTX 770 - 350$
SSD : Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - 200$
HDD : Seagate Barracuda 1TB - 70$
Power Supply : SeaSonic SSR-650RM 650W Gold - 100$
Case : Corsair Carbide Series 500R - 130$
Optical Drive : SATA DVD burner - 20$
Heatsink : 212 Evo - 35$

TOTAL - 1 520$

How is this? If I want to lower the price towards the 1000$ range, which downgrades should I go with? I have quite limited knowledge when it comes to PC building/parts.

Quoting myself just to make sure this build is alright if I want to go ahead and start buying the parts! I'll wait for sales for some of the more pricey parts.
 

redlegs87

Member
If I was able to dictate this is what I'd feel would offer best bang for buck rather than getting a 770

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($82.02 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $911.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-05 18:48 EST-0500)


I just am trying to keep it low as I won't be the one paying for it and don't want that upfront price before rebates decide not too.
 

Anton668

Member
Just be careful you don't regret it down the line. You can still have a good looking case without such... excess.

well, tween led fans and a nzxt led controller, you can have "excess" when wanted and tone it down other times

I really need to take some viddy of me case...
 
My temperatures are acting strange. At idle or under everyday-use (say browsing, common applications, etc.), everything is fine averaging around 25/30 C°; under load though it ramps up in the ~80 C region.

I guess there's something wrong with my h60, maybe the pump?

It's not new, it was in my previous build for a year or so.
 

kennah

Member
Your thermal paste may have dried. It's a good idea to reapply every year or so. Take it off. Clean and reapply.
 

Rnr1224

Member
has anyone encountered the big cursor issue when using a radeon hd 7790? the rest of specs are below:

AMD FX-4130 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
 
Your thermal paste may have dried. It's a good idea to reapply every year or so. Take it off. Clean and reapply.

I reapplied it building the new config. Maybe I messed up trying to place the cooler on the cpu, it's kinda tricky.

I'll try cleaning everything and applying anew, being more careful.
 

kennah

Member
has anyone encountered the big cursor issue when using a radeon hd 7790? the rest of specs are below:

AMD FX-4130 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard
I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone else with similar specs in this thread :(
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Man I just got all the parts for my new rig home, but I'm so tired from carrying my new 50 pound case up 4 flights of stairs that I'm too tired to assemble the damn thing.

i7 4770k
32 GB DDR3 1600 RAM
750 GB Samsung SSD
4 TB WDB HDD
Gigabyte G1.Sniper 5 mobo
1200 watt Corsair modular PSU
Phantom 820 case

As for the GPU I'm gonna stick with my 680 for now and probably get the 880 (or whatever nvidia ends up calling it) later this year.
 

Diablos

Member
Eh, a 760 is something around 50€ more than the 660.
I could ditch the SSD for now, but I don't really know what would be best for me.
I never had neither an SSD neither a powerful GPU (right now I'm on a mid 2009 MBP, with a 5400rpm HDD and a 256MB GT9600M), so I really can't tell.

Also, if I ditch the SSD for a 760, should I upgrade the PSU too?

Right now I'm thinking about a (non modular) be quiet! Pure Power L8-500W 80+ Bronze. I guess it should be able to power a 760, but I really really don't know.

Aaah, decisions decisions... :'(
Well, I have a 500W Seasonic that I've been using since since I believe late 2006 or early 2007; can't believe it has been that long, thing is solid, reliable as it was the day I first used it. Could not have asked for a better PSU. My FX 6300 is drawing 95W max, the GTX 660 is about 180W max iirc. Everything else is minimal in comparison; you should be okay with a (quality) 450-500W PSU for a 760.
 

Cmerrill

You don't need to be empathetic towards me.
Computer parts purchased & built:

-CPU-Intel core i5 4670k 3.4(3.8 turbo)
-MotherBoadrd-Asus Z87-k-Z87
-CPU Fan-Coolmaster hyper 212 evo
-RAM-G.Skill sniper 8gb
-Graphics Card-Zotac Gtx 770 2 gb
-Case-Antec one system cabinet
-PSU-Coolmaster extreme 2 725w
-LG optical drive.
-500gb and 200gb hd.

Going to download DayZ soon!

You guys like? Good first gaming rig??
 

bigkrev

Member
Is it worth getting just a 2 gig 770? I'm thinking of stretching my budget to get it, but the build sheet says to get a 4 gig version and that's what most people reccomend. the 4 gig is out of my price range. Basically, i'm down to 2g 760 and a 64 gig SSD or a 2 gig 770 with no SSD. Which plan is better?
 

Tablo

Member
Okay. I got my GTX 770 all set up and it absolutely rocks. Now my next step is upgrading from 1080p to 1440p, but I've hit yet another speed bump. I was considering one 1440p in the middle, and two vertical 1080p on each side with noida surround. Only problem is I don't know if my GTX 770 and processor (AMD FX 4100) can handle the three screens in games without lag.

So I'm stuck. My other option would be to grab a 1600p monitor instead of the three.

Is one 1440p monitor not enough? Your CPU is pretty weak, and the 770 is already going to be sweating at 1440p res, definitely would not go Nvidia Surround with that unless you want to really lower your settings ingame :/
 

Tablo

Member
Is it worth getting just a 2 gig 770? I'm thinking of stretching my budget to get it, but the build sheet says to get a 4 gig version and that's what most people reccomend. the 4 gig is out of my price range. Basically, i'm down to 2g 760 and a 64 gig SSD or a 2 gig 770 with no SSD. Which plan is better?

Go with the former, no point putting more money in GPUs while we're still on rebranded 28nm cards, the 760 ti is a good value and 2GB vram fits well. The SSD is worth it for the OS and core programs for sure.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Question: my case fans have both the 3-pin motherboard connectors AND the 4 pin molex connectors. Do I need to plug in both or just the molex plugs?
 

Cmerrill

You don't need to be empathetic towards me.
Is it worth getting just a 2 gig 770? I'm thinking of stretching my budget to get it, but the build sheet says to get a 4 gig version and that's what most people reccomend. the 4 gig is out of my price range. Basically, i'm down to 2g 760 and a 64 gig SSD or a 2 gig 770 with no SSD. Which plan is better?.

Save your money from the SSD and get the 2gb GTX 770. If you're running Windows 8 it already boots fast enough. SSD is a luxury that isn't worth the price really, and a better GPU is always clearly a better choice. IMO.
 

Tablo

Member
Save your money from the SSD and get the 2 GTX 770. If you're running Windows 8 it already boots fast enough. SSD is a luxury that isn't worth the price really, and a better GPU is always clearly a better choice. IMO.

I respectfully disagree, I think he would be better off getting the most price effective option (760 ti) and an SSD. Then in a year he can get an equivalent 20nm card that will blow the doors off his 760 ti. Maybe he could get a used 770?
 

brentech

Member
yeah, don't think you pass on SSD, regardless of OS.

SSD is a real game changer for more than just booting the system.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Reading non stop for 2 days now on non reference 780ti's and I think based on price balance and performance the Gigabyte Ghz Edition will be my next pair of GPU's. They already come with a good OC out of the box and I can push them even more. Runs anything at 1440p amazingly as well.

Initially I thought the GHZ edition was going to be 800 but reading more it looks like it's 730.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Man I just got all the parts for my new rig home, but I'm so tired from carrying my new 50 pound case up 4 flights of stairs that I'm too tired to assemble the damn thing.

i7 4770k
32 GB DDR3 1600 RAM
750 GB Samsung SSD
4 TB WDB HDD
Gigabyte G1.Sniper 5 mobo
1200 watt Corsair modular PSU

Phantom 820 case

As for the GPU I'm gonna stick with my 680 for now and probably get the 880 (or whatever nvidia ends up calling it) later this year.
With a single GPU? Your system draw is like 300W, and the motherboard is expensive due to a PLX chip that multiplies PCI-E lanes for 3-4 Way SLI. You could save yourself a ton of money with zero loss if you can still return them.
Quoting myself just to make sure this build is alright if I want to go ahead and start buying the parts! I'll wait for sales for some of the more pricey parts.
It's good. Personally, I'd be looking at a less expensive case and the 4670K to make room in the budget for a 780, or just to drop the price overall. If you want the i7, and are particularly drawn to the 500R, then you're not making bad choices at all.
 

tr4656

Member
Reading non stop for 2 days now on non reference 780ti's and I think based on price balance and performance the Gigabyte Ghz Edition will be my next pair of GPU's. They already come with a good OC out of the box and I can push them even more. Runs anything at 1440p amazingly as well.

Initially I thought the GHZ edition was going to be 800 but reading more it looks like it's 730.
Sounds good. How about the MSI Gaming though?
 
I'm currently using an Asus VG23ah monitor. I love it but now I want two. But it seems that monitor is no longer being made anymore. If I got a similar but different monitor, would that bother me if they are side to side? If not, what would you recommend GAF?
 
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