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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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LilJoka

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I've already done everything I can to clear CMOS,

There seems to be evidence on the internet that suggests an inherent incompatibility between MSI's OC Genie and the P67 chipset. It infinite boot looped on me once before and when it officially restarted it told me to restore settings in Bios. This time it's completely off it's rocker.

Try this
Remove PSU power cable from wall
Remove CMOS battery for a few minutes
Use a metal screw driver to short the 2 contacts where the CMOS battery came out from.
Insert CMOS battery
Plug PSU into wall
Turn on PC, let it POST twice then hold power button until it shuts off
Wait a minute and see if it turns on automatically
If not, turn it on and repeat the above 2 steps
Now turn it on and see if any luck
 

Faith

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I want to buy a Samsung EVO 840 1TB. Will there be something new at the end of the year? Maybe even more capacity for the same price?
 

Faith

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That's ok then, there is currently a bug in the FW however without a ETA on a fix so be aware. It causes a drop in read performance on old blocks which haven't been written to for some time.
I would love to have 1.5TB or even 2.0TB. Is there anything planed for under 500$?
 
I want to buy a Samsung EVO 840 1TB. Will there be something new at the end of the year? Maybe even more capacity for the same price?

These hasn't been anything announced, and I doubt there will still be models before the end of the year, but they aren't things that are announced well in advanced.
 

Durante

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So, after doing cable management in my PC I spent basically an entire day also doing cable management outside of it. I even got a separate shelf for it. Admittedly, a large part of that day was spent cleaning my desk in preparation.
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I realize this still doesn't look exceptionally clean, but (a) you should have seen it before and (b) you have to realize that there are 14 power plugs, 5 Gigabit ethernet cables, 4 HDMI cables, 1 DVI cable, a TV antenna cabe and a collection of USB cables going on there. Oh, and all the cabling involved in surround sound. I'm pretty happy with the result considering all that.
 

Godan

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Just seen on Scan.co.uk that you can now pre order the Corsair K70 RGB in the UK.


When you pre order from Scan.co.uk do they take the money out right away or wait till the ship it too you?
 

LilJoka

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I just have the 2 stock fans and notice my case got a fair bit hotter putting in the 970 yesterday lol

Only if temps are dangerous would i even bother changing anything. Or if GPU temps became too hot and are not able to consistently run boost clocks. What are your temperatures? Think about if the added noise is worth it too.
 

Woffls

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Anyone played around with overclocking their Haswell-E chips with cores disabled? Could disabling some of the cores give better overclocking results? Might be useful for games that don't really take advantage of multi-threading.
 
I bought my Swiftech H220X from NCIXUS on the 19th and I payed for 3 day shipping. It was in stock but apparently it didn't reach UPS until last night. Even still, 3 day shipping should have it here by Thursday or Friday.

I just checked the UPS tracking number and they have it schedule to be delivered on Monday, Sept. 29th. I hope that's a mistake or I might as well have burned that $20 shipping charge. If everything arrives when expected, that would be the only item not delivered this week and since my CPU is a 5820K, I have no temporary fall back for CPU cooling.

Anyone played around with overclocking their Haswell-E chips with cores disabled? Could disabling some of the cores give better overclocking results? Might be useful for games that don't really take advantage of multi-threading.

You could set the Turbo clock on say 4 of the cores higher than the other 2 possibly. Disabling cores and running multiple stable over clock profile seems like a real hassle.
 

LilJoka

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Anyone played around with overclocking their Haswell-E chips with cores disabled? Could disabling some of the cores give better overclocking results? Might be useful for games that don't really take advantage of multi-threading.

Yes it would clock higher but this is the last thing to consider after forking out premium prices for such a rig. As for how it would effect games, if you are running single GPU i wouldnt even bother, dual GPUs a OC of 4.2Ghz is more than enough, and 3+ cards then maybe cutting down to 4c8t and highest OC possible would be beneficial.

You may as well try it since you have all the parts to do it.
 

ash_ag

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Hey guys.

A friend of mine is looking to get a new PC. We checked the OP, and since his budget is around 1500 Canadian dollars, he's leaning towards the Enthusiast tier. That said, he still has a few questions, regarding mainly the graphics card.

As far as PC gaming is concerned, he's mainly been playing strategy games (especially Total War). He wants to make sure that whatever he gets will guarantee him a constant 60fps framerate at 1080p, with every setting on maximum, and no matter the gameplay situation (say, armies large in size in Total War: Rome 2, during a multiplayer session). He's willing to raise his budget if the Enthusiast tier doesn't cover that for Rome 2 and isn't expected to for at least some of the future releases of the Total War series. I can't put enough pressure on how serious he is about this one thing specifically. :p

Aside of that, he's asking to know if changing GTX 780 for a GTX 970 is worth it. He's mainly concerned about VRAM, because the former is limited to 3GB (I did tell him that this isn't a big deal, and 3GB is already more than "standard", but he wants a second opinion :p). Also, 16GB of main RAM is necessary if he wants the machine to be future-proof, right?

Finally, and bare in mind he hasn't bought a PS4 or XB1 yet, he wants to know how next-gen games will compare to a console in terms of performance. He considered getting a PS4 really soon, but he's willing to give PC gaming a chance (for all genres, rather than just strategy) if his build can offer him a better experience for games such as Assassin's Creed Unity, Arkham Knight, The Evil Within, and so on.

Any other changes he should make to the Enthusiast build if he wants to use it as his next-gen platform?

Apologies if some of these questions have been answered before.
Thanks!
 

LilJoka

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Anyone with the LGA 1155 motherboard reccomebdations? It pains me to see this guy dead in front of me.

Did you try what i suggested?

Try this
Remove PSU power cable from wall
Remove CMOS battery for a few minutes
Use a metal screw driver to short the 2 contacts where the CMOS battery came out from.
Insert CMOS battery
Plug PSU into wall
Turn on PC, let it POST twice then hold power button until it shuts off
Wait a minute and see if it turns on automatically
If not, turn it on and repeat the above 2 steps
Now turn it on and see if any luck
 

420bits

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What's the best DDR4 ram that isn't $$$?

Building a x99sytem myself and it seems that G.Skill Ripjaws 4 seems to be the shit, way cheaper than other brands and reviews seem to like it.

I have yet to try them myself as i'm waiting for my mobo to arrive but i'll let you know once I find out.

Edit: And this is "performance" DDR, not the cheapest alternative there is because well, if you spend money on a lga 2011-3 system, i don't see the point in cheaping out on the RAM.
 

thuway

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Did you try what i suggested?
Yes I have. I even left the battery out for 30 minutes. The biggest issue is video is not displaying and USB devices recieve no power.

Is it time to just buy a new one? Newegg selection is slim and the reviews are scaring me.
 

LilJoka

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Yes I have. I even left the battery out for 30 minutes. The biggest issue is video is not displaying and USB devices recieve no power.

Is it time to just buy a new one? Newegg selection is slim and the reviews are scaring me.

Try the onboard video, remove the GPU.
 

Spaghetti

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reposting from the 980/970 thread:

how are the new i7 5(number goes here)K cpus for gaming? i know next to nothing about cpus so i'm kinda struggling for what i need to get for my new build. i know it's probably not worth going for the xeon though, but that's about it.

honestly anything would be an improvement over my phenom II 945 but i'm looking to future-proof to the best of my ability.
 

LilJoka

Member
reposting from the 980/970 thread:

how are the new i7 5(number goes here)K cpus for gaming? i know next to nothing about cpus so i'm kinda struggling for what i need to get for my new build. i know it's probably not worth going for the xeon though, but that's about it.

honestly anything would be an improvement over my phenom II 945 but i'm looking to future-proof to the best of my ability.

5 series or Haswell-E is enthusiast grade, you are paying a large premium for the extra 2/4 cores. Its recommend to go for it if running 2 or more GPUs and if you are overclocking. Or if you are video editing. Otherwise best to go for a Z97 setup and 4570k/4970k, spend the extra money on a better GPU.
 

Woffls

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Yes it would clock higher but this is the last thing to consider after forking out premium prices for such a rig. As for how it would effect games, if you are running single GPU i wouldnt even bother, dual GPUs a OC of 4.2Ghz is more than enough, and 3+ cards then maybe cutting down to 4c8t and highest OC possible would be beneficial.

You may as well try it since you have all the parts to do it.
It would purely be out of interest and a bit of fun. I certainly don't need more out of a 5820K when it's running alongside a 750 Ti SC.

Currently up to 100Mhz x 42 @ 1.2v. Had to fix vcore to stop crashes... not sure if it was underpowered or the fluctuations were causing issues? Intel XTU got up to 62c, and I'm just about to see what Prime95 does to it. My Hydro H60 and I are not optimistic.
[edit] CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT - Heh, seeing that while playing Watch_Dogs would be creepy. Trying again at 1.21v
[edit]WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR - Okay :(
 

Azzurri

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Building a x99sytem myself and it seems that G.Skill Ripjaws 4 seems to be the shit, way cheaper than other brands and reviews seem to like it.

I have yet to try them myself as i'm waiting for my mobo to arrive but i'll let you know once I find out.

Edit: And this is "performance" DDR, not the cheapest alternative there is because well, if you spend money on a lga 2011-3 system, i don't see the point in cheaping out on the RAM.

Yea, It seems G.skill is the cheapest, and the reviews are good.
 
So, after doing cable management in my PC I spent basically an entire day also doing cable management outside of it. I even got a separate shelf for it. Admittedly, a large part of that day was spent cleaning my desk in preparation.


I realize this still doesn't look exceptionally clean, but (a) you should have seen it before and (b) you have to realize that there are 14 power plugs, 5 Gigabit ethernet cables, 4 HDMI cables, 1 DVI cable, a TV antenna cabe and a collection of USB cables going on there. Oh, and all the cabling involved in surround sound. I'm pretty happy with the result considering all that.

I used to have the same grey speakerbox/subwoofer I see under the table (came with 2 seperate speakers) ... I could be wrong but I think I had them around since 1999/2000... I can't really remember when I've bought them exactly.
Just wanted to let you know this important information ;)
 

Spaghetti

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5 series or Haswell-E is enthusiast grade, you are paying a large premium for the extra 2/4 cores. Its recommend to go for it if running 2 or more GPUs and if you are overclocking. Or if you are video editing. Otherwise best to go for a Z97 setup and 4570k/4970k, spend the extra money on a better GPU.
actually... i do plan on doing video editing, so uh, 5 series it is?
 

bro1

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Just built a new system with a Z97 Sabertooth MK2 and an i5 Devils Canyon. I am using a Corsair H100i for cooling. At stock under P95 load my temps are about 51. Does this seem a bit high? Should I reapply the thermal paste?
 

420bits

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If only, they didn't have those ugly looking heatsinks. Instead, I paid $320 for 16GB Corsiar 2666MHz LX.

Yeah, heatsinks looks like something a 12year old designed, makes them look really cheap and "COOL AS SHIT!!!!" (not).

Luckily i don't care what they look like once they are inside my computer.
 

tarheel91

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reposting from the 980/970 thread:

how are the new i7 5(number goes here)K cpus for gaming? i know next to nothing about cpus so i'm kinda struggling for what i need to get for my new build. i know it's probably not worth going for the xeon though, but that's about it.

honestly anything would be an improvement over my phenom II 945 but i'm looking to future-proof to the best of my ability.

Do you live near a Microcenter? You can get the 5820K+MB for a pretty damn reasonable price. On somewhere like Newegg you're looking at ~$600 total for the CPU and MB and another $200 for RAM. Six cores aren't being utilized by most games right now, but that's likely to change in the future. "Future proof" is a dirty word around here, but having a MB that's DDR4 compatible will definitely help moving forward.

5 series or Haswell-E is enthusiast grade, you are paying a large premium for the extra 2/4 cores. Its recommend to go for it if running 2 or more GPUs and if you are overclocking. Or if you are video editing. Otherwise best to go for a Z97 setup and 4570k/4970k, spend the extra money on a better GPU.

Cores don't really matter if they're not being used. There's no clean ratio where you can say one GPU needs 4 CPU cores, two needs 6, and so on.

Just built a new system with a Z97 Sabertooth MK2 and an i5 Devils Canyon. I am using a Corsair H100i for cooling. At stock under P95 load my temps are about 51. Does this seem a bit high? Should I reapply the thermal paste?

That sounds better than I'd expect.
 
Just built a new system with a Z97 Sabertooth MK2 and an i5 Devils Canyon. I am using a Corsair H100i for cooling. At stock under P95 load my temps are about 51. Does this seem a bit high? Should I reapply the thermal paste?

51C at load does not seem high at all.
 

Spaghetti

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Do you live near a Microcenter? You can get the 5820K+MB for a pretty damn reasonable price. On somewhere like Newegg you're looking at ~$600 total for the CPU and MB and another $200 for RAM. Six cores aren't being utilized by most games right now, but that's likely to change in the future. "Future proof" is a dirty word around here, but having a MB that's DDR4 compatible will definitely help moving forward.
i'm on the wrong side of the atlantic for a microcenter unfortunately.

and yeah, future proofing was probably the wrong word to use. ideally i just want this pc build to last longer than my current one, which is roughly five years old. the cpu has become an anchor around the neck of the system.
 
So I have the following:

i5-2500k (stock 3.3 ghz)
evga GTX 670 2GB
8gb DDR3 RAM
1TB caviar black HD


What are some reasonable upgrades I could do to my system by early next year (Witcher 3 timeframe) without breaking the bank?

Will another 4GB ram do anything really?

Would adding another 670 in SLI be worth the ~ $230

I know I should OC the CPU, but I've always been scared (and i have stock heatsink).
 
So I have the following:

i5-2500k (stock 3.3 ghz)
evga GTX 670 2GB
8gb DDR3 RAM
1TB caviar black HD


What are some reasonable upgrades I could do to my system by early next year (Witcher 3 timeframe) without breaking the bank?

Will another 4GB ram do anything really?

Would adding another 670 in SLI be worth the ~ $230

I know I should OC the CPU, but I've always been scared (and i have stock heatsink).

212 Evo
overclock
If you're buying a new GPU, spend the extra on a single 970 instead of going SLI on such old cards.

edit: what motherboard? PSU?
 

garath

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So I have the following:

i5-2500k (stock 3.3 ghz)
evga GTX 670 2GB
8gb DDR3 RAM
1TB caviar black HD


What are some reasonable upgrades I could do to my system by early next year (Witcher 3 timeframe) without breaking the bank?

Will another 4GB ram do anything really?

Would adding another 670 in SLI be worth the ~ $230

I know I should OC the CPU, but I've always been scared (and i have stock heatsink).

OC the CPU :)

And get a GTX 970.
 

Prez

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Is there any chance AMD will release a better AM1 CPU in the next few months? If so, I might hold out for another while.
 

knitoe

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i'm on the wrong side of the atlantic for a microcenter unfortunately.

and yeah, future proofing was probably the wrong word to use. ideally i just want this pc build to last longer than my current one, which is roughly five years old. the cpu has become an anchor around the neck of the system.
Seeing how slow cpu advancements are these days, getting a current highend Intel cpu should last you for 3+ years. The 3 year old Intel 2500K/2600K are still going strong when Overclock. You just have to upgrade the GPU along the way.
 

Stat!

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Building a PC for my dad's birthday.

Price: N/A but somewhere between 1000-1500 Canadian.

He really just wants something super fast. Turns on in 5 seconds. He won't really play games but he'll be looking artwork, doing some work, general internet use, and listen to music. He'll want a sound card to get some great sound for speakers he has installed. Do I need a graphics card?

He also wants a smaller form factor but I really don't want this thing overheating. He won't overclock.

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/pvkZWZ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/pvkZWZ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($359.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($266.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($224.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($89.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DSX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($54.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1191.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-23 10:23 EDT-0400

Should I go with the Silverstone RVZ01 instead?
 
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