Jimmy Rustle
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Damn, I payed $120 for this Corsair RM750, and just built it around April. I hope it is the PSU, don't want to buy a new one only for the problem to continue.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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Damn, I payed $120 for this Corsair RM750, and just built it around April. I hope it is the PSU, don't want to buy a new one only for the problem to continue.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
My Enthoo arrived and I have nothing to put in it.
brb crying.
brb crying.
Contact Corsair, their RMA support is usually pretty good -- especially with power supplies.
R9 290 Toxic $275 shipped
Basically the best r9 290 out there, tons for power for cheap price.
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I am also having a weird issue on a Asus X99 Deluxe with USB. If I enable XHCI USB3, on Windows bootup, it seems to redetect all my USB devices and I have a ! unknown device under usb in Device Manager. I use to get an Windows error message about "The last USB device failed...". The recent bios update got rid of the error message, but ! unknown device is still there. And, there are no USB drivers for Windows 8 so that's no help.Anyone having issues with the X99 USB3 drivers? The other two controllers on my X99 SLI Plus are fine, but the one dealing with front panel is just unmounting anything that goes in it.
I've installed the latest drivers direct from MSI, and Windows update doesn't think they need replacing, so I assume they are functional. One of the super important things about getting a new PC was having USB3 on the front
As for your problem, have you tried a different USB slot on the MB?
zyxwvu4321
Member
Well, now I need to figure out what is taking up so much space on my OS SSD. Right-click > Properties tells me I'm using 33.7 GB, but when I subtract what it says for all the folders, I'm left with 13.7 GB unaccounted for. I'm showing hidden folders and have disabled Hibernate like in the 2nd post of the thread.
zeroeffect
Member
I've been looking at that case to possibly buy. How's the build quality? Do the cables look cheap inside it or does everything look fine?
What's your virtual memory paging file size?
windirstat
Looking for something that I can play the latest or near latest games on and run the adobe suite, found this mac with these specs:
Hardware
3.1GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 1GB GDDR5
For £1195
21 inch monitor which for me is ideal, good, bad, able to do what I want, yes no? Opinions pklease, want to purchase something soon, thanks gaf!
Hardware
3.1GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 1GB GDDR5
For £1195
21 inch monitor which for me is ideal, good, bad, able to do what I want, yes no? Opinions pklease, want to purchase something soon, thanks gaf!
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Pretty solid overall. The cable management setup is pretty awesome. The fans are super sturdy.
If you shake the case you can definitely hear the media bay flaps a bit, but I'm not sure when you would be shaking your PC case.
It comes with dust filters, raised off the ground a bit, and 3.0 USBs up front. I grabbed mine from Amazon as they had a deal last week on it, but there seems to be plenty of places to pick up from.
Here's a few pics: http://min.us/mDwwnPMju2SFr
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Simple/short answer: It's v-sync built into your monitor. Yes, it's worth it.
Windom Earle
Member
After my first day with a 1080p/144hz G-Sync screen... I think you will be mostly fine, but more power is always useful. Especially if you want to go into fps numbers that come close to your refresh rate. 60+ on G-Sync is nice, but if you get close to 100, things really start to sing. As the other poster said, 50-ish range is still nice and "allowing dips" is definitely one of the strengths of the tech. Wouldn't go much below that tough.
SLI and G-Sync is simply amazing. You can finally use the full power of both cards without compromises.
zyxwvu4321
Member
Basically this: V-sync is the monitor telling the GPU what frame rate to run. G-sync is the GPU telling the monitor what refresh rate to run at.
zyxwvu4321
Member
Looks to be 16335 MB, which I am going to assume is a lot more than I would actually need it to be.
Would the virtual memory paging file from above appear in windirstat as "pagefile.sys" and be 16 GB?
G-Sync is pretty neat and will be fantastic trickle down tech, don't hype it up too much though
You can hack together a hackintosh if you are interested in that, but it takes a bit or work and research.
I've moved the page file to my mechanical drive.
750M is pretty eh, but probably not that many prebult macs with big GPUs.
You can hack together a hackintosh if you are interested in that, but it takes a bit or work and research.
Yup.
I've moved the page file to my mechanical drive.
Windom Earle
Member
There is one weird thing about my new screen though... It does seem to output slightly incorrect refresh rates.
E.g.
At 60hz v-sync will lock me at 59fps
At 85hz v-sync will lock me at 80fps
At 144hz v-sync will lock me at 140fps
I mean... Due to G-Sync this is not really visible, but it's not correct either. Return that shit? :/
E.g.
At 60hz v-sync will lock me at 59fps
At 85hz v-sync will lock me at 80fps
At 144hz v-sync will lock me at 140fps
I mean... Due to G-Sync this is not really visible, but it's not correct either. Return that shit? :/
Asking around at other forums and speaking with EVGA themselves today...they seem to think I am hitting the limit on my EVGA G2 1300w PSU and that is why I am having issues.
I was given this link from another forum to support their case.
3x Titan Blacks are at 1100w recommended...and that is for the stock version. I have Superclock. Plus 4930k .
Wait why are you using v-sync though? You should be selecting G-Sync in NVCP global profile, and then enabling it in it's own separate menu. Turn V-sync off in game. Unless you were just testing then apologies.
I was given this link from another forum to support their case.
3x Titan Blacks are at 1100w recommended...and that is for the stock version. I have Superclock. Plus 4930k .
Wait why are you using v-sync though? You should be selecting G-Sync in NVCP global profile, and then enabling it in it's own separate menu. Turn V-sync off in game. Unless you were just testing then apologies.
Asking around at other forums and speaking with EVGA themselves today...they seem to think I am hitting the limit on my EVGA G2 1300w PSU and that is why I am having issues.
I was given this link from another forum to support their case.
3x Titan Blacks are at 1100w recommended...and that is for the stock version. I have Superclock. Plus 4930k .
Looks like it's time for the Corsair AX1600i
zeroeffect
Member
Nice. Looks like they neatly laid everything out for you. Really solid case. Been thinking about getting one myself because the value is pretty insane for that thing based on everything it has.
More like
$400 ;_;
But seriously...I thought that could be it...but then I thought that 1300w was enough. I guess I didn't take into account the cards have a slight OC x3. Still dunno...but EVGA and others are saying this is most likely the issue.
AX1500i* is rated for titanium efficiency, but they're both awesome power supplies (I've got an EVGA P2 1200W myself).
Just buy a Kill-A-Watt you dummy.Asking around at other forums and speaking with EVGA themselves today...they seem to think I am hitting the limit on my EVGA G2 1300w PSU and that is why I am having issues.
I was given this link from another forum to support their case.
3x Titan Blacks are at 1100w recommended...and that is for the stock version. I have Superclock. Plus 4930k .
Wait why are you using v-sync though? You should be selecting G-Sync in NVCP global profile, and then enabling it in it's own separate menu. Turn V-sync off in game. Unless you were just testing then apologies.
Also you can undervolt CPU and same/downclock GPUs to check.
heard a lot of not so good things about the ax1500. do you know if the i version a revised model?
lol
also i don't really want to undervolt or downclock anything. setup cost a good grip and it needs to run properly. call it stubborn or whatever but...
i did some testing earlier at stock everything. power 100%, temp limit at default. had no issues and scaling seemed to be more consistent so maybe there is something to this.
previous attempts had me upping voltage a little bit and moving temp limit to 90c.
Definitely check out WinDirStat as others have recommended. There's usually a bunch of stuff in appdata you can get rid of too, not to mention using Diskmax for cleanup of things like old windows update files and configurations.
Smushroomed
Banned
Any thoughts on going from a 27inch 60 hz 1080p (I can see pixels) to a asus 27inch 144 hz for gaming and day to day?
Anyone go down a screen size? Don't feel like paying 500 plus for a monitor
250 is a good price point for me, what site has the best return policy?
Or should I wait for more gsync monitors to come out?
I have a gtx 970
Anyone go down a screen size? Don't feel like paying 500 plus for a monitor
250 is a good price point for me, what site has the best return policy?
Or should I wait for more gsync monitors to come out?
I have a gtx 970
Windom Earle
Member
I am using G-Sync, sorry. Just meant that the max fps are still limited by the refresh rate (Which seems to be fucked). I guess I'll call them and see what they say.
ordered a 970 with my new rig, but am now seriously considering buying another for SLI. I have 2 questions because Im a huge noob:
1 - I keep hearing about SLI profiles and games not working with SLI (like Mordor), are those profiles easy to setup? im very lazy >_>
2 - I keep seeing you guys talk about downsampling (like in the PC pictures thread), I assume that my i5k 4690k, 16gb ram and with the aforementioned 2 X 970s I could get into that aswell? and like the SLI profiles, is it easy to do?
1 - I keep hearing about SLI profiles and games not working with SLI (like Mordor), are those profiles easy to setup? im very lazy >_>
2 - I keep seeing you guys talk about downsampling (like in the PC pictures thread), I assume that my i5k 4690k, 16gb ram and with the aforementioned 2 X 970s I could get into that aswell? and like the SLI profiles, is it easy to do?
Seriously. You should buy it so you can have an idea of what kinds of draw you are working with, how much SC vs Stock adds, how much your OC adds, and when the issues start cropping up so you have an idea of where you stand and what PSU you need.
Things like my OC 290'd at max drawing over 3x the power of my 670 for instance
Couple of questions -
So for the price is it not really a good enough pay off?
Because of that is it pointless getting a i7 quad-core, should I get it at a lower cost and go for the i5 quad-core?
If I go for the i7 and all the others as I mentioned will it still be able to play games well, I mean I'm not looking for 4k resolution or anything above 1080p tbh, just smooth gameplay and I don't mind if it has to be somewhere around 30FPS as long as the graphics settings are on high or the highest.
Like I said before, I want it for gaming but also for using adobe design products and multi tasking features, if it wasn't for that I'd probably buy a PC rig possibly that I can upgrade bit by bit.
O.DOGG
Member
Guys, I'm thinking about getting a new SSD for my OS drive. 60gb barely cuts it anymore, and I have to clean it every couple of weeks (currently sitting at 991mb free). So I'm thinking about a 120-128gb drive. I'm looking real hard at a Samsung 840 Pro, it looks like a winner.
Is there a better drive out there in the price range (not more than about $100)? I will also have to order it by the end of the week, so I will have to hurry up if I want to get one.
Is there a better drive out there in the price range (not more than about $100)? I will also have to order it by the end of the week, so I will have to hurry up if I want to get one.
phxxBullet
Banned
Look at the OP title, Crucial MX100 is the best bang for the buck
I wouldn't even consider gaming on a iMac/MacBook/whateverMAC.
You'll be lucky to keep 30fps, at low-mid settings.
Also, the 1GB won't help you with next-gen games. The new trend is 3gb+
I'm not too fussed about 30FPS, I mostly game on consoles, well at the moment I exclusively do, and tbh hinest from all the videos I've seen I can never notice a different between 60 and 30 FPS, for me it would probably be something I have to feel when playing.
I'm also looking to play already released games really, not too fussed about not being able to run games from this point on.
As a result of this with the graphics card, is it worth paying over £100 extra for the i7 or will it make no difference really if I stick to the i5, really need to know if the price is worth paying extra if really it's not going to help - bearing in mind I'll be using multiple things at once and it is for animation and photoshop/illustrator/after effects etc. whilst playing music
Looking to buy it today so answers to these would be great. Really as long as it can play skyrim at ultra or high that's sort of what I'm looking for, nothing like playing, for example, watch dogs on ultra
I honestly don't know why you're contemplating spending £1200 on a computer with no SSD, a 1GB GPU, a 21" monitor and 8GB RAM when your aim is to use it for production and gaming, that is almost completely impossible to upgrade outside of adding extra memory. I get that OSX is a really nice OS to use - my previous two computers were iMacs - but there is absolutely no comparison in terms of performance per pound to something you can build yourself. For £1200 you could build yourself an absolute monster that'd play games very very nicely and be way more efficient with the Adobe suite.
Hell you could probably get something nice prebuilt for your £1200.
Hell you could probably get something nice prebuilt for your £1200.
I don't see any stuttering in the vast majority of games today with 780 Ti SLI. If there are stuttering problems, it's down to the individual title's ability to support AFR well. You should be able to see this in a frametime FRAPS benchmark from the game.
Far Cry 3 still hitches slightly using SLI (G-Sync has improved that, but it's still noticeable for me) and Watch_Dogs is just downright terrible for me in SLI. I think that game has real problems once you try to deliver frames in under 33ms.
Outside of idtech 5 (no AFR support), I can't think of any other game in my library that glitches or stutters in SLI mode.
D3D does not support triple buffering AT ALL. It has a render queue that can optionally be utilised and several utilities incorrectly label this triple buffering. The difference between the D3D queue and true triple buffering is that the queue cannot throw away unneeded frames, which leads to increased latency.
I'm very sensitive to latency in general and the consensus is that SLI does require the use of D3D's render queue.
This can mean an extra frame is queued, compared to the standard mode. It depends on the game though, because the developer may already be using the render queue for other reasons.
Regardless, an extra frame in the 60-150fps area is an extra 16ms at most and likely less than that. I have the ROG Swift, so the display is already about as low latency as you can get, but I never experienced noticeable latency with my previous 120Hz display either.
SLI works fine with all the frame limiters I've tried and I cannot fault G-Sync so far. It's a revelation with certain games that have a wildly fluctuating frame rate. You will never know how many problems Vsync has been causing in many games. Imagine a game with Vsync disabled and no tearing. This is how G-Sync feels.
Hey gaffers
I need urgent help:
I found stock of GTX 970 from Gainward, anyone know if i should go for it or wait for restock on Sunday for a Gigabyte one?
Edit: This is the Gainward model.
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=954
I need urgent help:
I found stock of GTX 970 from Gainward, anyone know if i should go for it or wait for restock on Sunday for a Gigabyte one?
Edit: This is the Gainward model.
http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=954
If you're in the UK I'd wait for the Gigabyte one, better warranty coverage (3 years + service centre based in the UK).
Edit; oh, you're in Israel. I have no idea.
I read somewhere that the Fan was noisy on the Gainward model that why i don`t know if i should get it.
I like the 21" monitor, it's ideal for me, I can still take it from uni to home without too much hassle, anything larger than that monitor I don't really care for.
I don't mind about upgrading, essentially for me it would be nice to play backlogged games on a decent setting and be able to use production suites. I understand that too, but I'm not too knowledged up on all the latest PC tech, you could throw a CPU chip name at me and it would mean nothing to me, I definitely don't want a gaming rig that is big and bulky, and definitely don't mean I want to game on it meaning I want to play future games at highest quality etc.
So what I'm asking is, with that in mind, and the graphics chip that's in it (the Geforce GT 750M 1GB), will this allow me to play games like Alan Wake/Skyrim/Metro at ultra or at least high settings even if it's 30FPS, and if so is paying more for the i7 quad-core overkill and the i5 will allow me to play them the same and still use the machine for rendering and design etc. That's all I need to know, not looking to build a future proofed gaming rig that I can swap components out because I'm a console gamer anyway. Thanks
With Vsync the rate at which the frames of your game are delivered is governed by the display. The display has a fixed update rate (typically 60 times a second, or once every 16 milliseconds), but a game can update at any moment. Forcing the game to meet this fixed limit could cause laggy feeling controls and/or hitching as the game waits for the display to be ready or the display waits for the game.
A workaround for this was to disable Vsync, but this causes image tearing.
G-Sync allows the game to be in control of when frames are shown on the display. When the game needs to update, the display will update also. This synchronisation results in a very smooth experience, even when the game changes its frame rate drastically. There's also no tearing in G-Sync mode.
Great explanation here:
http://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview/
AHA-Lambda
Member
Hey guys cross posting this from the steam thread, couple of (hopefully) quick questions.
I'm looking to upgrade my pc next year but I'm going to buy some of the more peripheral stuff just now (if this is a terrible idea just tell me to stop now)
Would these be good choices for a gaming keyboard, mouse and mat?
Corsair Vengeance k70
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JIVZUDY/
Logitech g502 proteus core
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00I...&pi=SY200_QL40
Razer deathadder
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ABS62C6/
Steel Series QcK pad
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000...&pi=SX200_QL40
Silly question I'm sure but in the meantime would these work on my Mac? And are cherry brown switches acceptable as a general all around mechanical switch?
I'm looking to upgrade my pc next year but I'm going to buy some of the more peripheral stuff just now (if this is a terrible idea just tell me to stop now)
Would these be good choices for a gaming keyboard, mouse and mat?
Corsair Vengeance k70
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JIVZUDY/
Logitech g502 proteus core
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00I...&pi=SY200_QL40
Razer deathadder
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ABS62C6/
Steel Series QcK pad
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000...&pi=SX200_QL40
Silly question I'm sure but in the meantime would these work on my Mac? And are cherry brown switches acceptable as a general all around mechanical switch?
The1stOfHisName
Member
Need a little help. I've been out of the PC gaming space for quite a while (like Age of Empires 2 kind of a while), and would quite like to get back into it. I've got a PS3 and PS4 so I'm covered for most console exclusives that I'm interested in (may end up with an XO for the Halo collection).
What I really would like is a small form factor PC that can sit next to the TV, and potentially double up as a media hub. I'm not particularly interested in the latest performance intensive games on ultra settings, though wouldn't mind be able to use Oculus rift at some stage down the line. I do a little bit of photo editing as well, so something that would speed up Adobe Creative Suite would also be rather useful.
Really, I'm looking for something that would be as upgradeable as possible, as I don't have the cash to drop on an uber build. This will probably end up being something that will be assembled in bits over time.
Anyway, here's what I'm looking for:
Your Current Specs: None - Console peasant.
Budget: £500-800 UK
Main Use:
Light Gaming - 5
Gaming - 5
Emulation (PS2/Wii) - 2
Video Editing - 1
Streaming games in HD - 1
3D/Model work (and what program) - 1
General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) - 5
Monitor Resolution: Will be using living room TV. 1080p LED (don't know the refresh rate, but I assume 60hz).
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Minecraft, Team Fortress 2, Counterstrike, Civilization, some FPS (COD, Battlefield etc).
Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: 60FPS+ ideally. No idea what the rest of those are
Looking to reuse any parts?: Nope.
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?: Not really. If I can get something functional in order to play a bit of Minecraft or TF2, then upgrade later, I'm fine with that.
Will you be overclocking?: Maybe, though don't have the faintest idea what I'd be doing.
Thanks for any and all advice.
What I really would like is a small form factor PC that can sit next to the TV, and potentially double up as a media hub. I'm not particularly interested in the latest performance intensive games on ultra settings, though wouldn't mind be able to use Oculus rift at some stage down the line. I do a little bit of photo editing as well, so something that would speed up Adobe Creative Suite would also be rather useful.
Really, I'm looking for something that would be as upgradeable as possible, as I don't have the cash to drop on an uber build. This will probably end up being something that will be assembled in bits over time.
Anyway, here's what I'm looking for:
Your Current Specs: None - Console peasant.
Budget: £500-800 UK
Main Use:
Light Gaming - 5
Gaming - 5
Emulation (PS2/Wii) - 2
Video Editing - 1
Streaming games in HD - 1
3D/Model work (and what program) - 1
General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) - 5
Monitor Resolution: Will be using living room TV. 1080p LED (don't know the refresh rate, but I assume 60hz).
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Minecraft, Team Fortress 2, Counterstrike, Civilization, some FPS (COD, Battlefield etc).
Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: 60FPS+ ideally. No idea what the rest of those are
Looking to reuse any parts?: Nope.
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?: Not really. If I can get something functional in order to play a bit of Minecraft or TF2, then upgrade later, I'm fine with that.
Will you be overclocking?: Maybe, though don't have the faintest idea what I'd be doing.
Thanks for any and all advice.
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
Hi guys I plan to overclock my 2600k I7 Processor from 3.4 to 4.5 ghz on my p8p67-m pro b3 motherboard. Got a nice cooler on it as well. Is it easy and doable to do this (I have a 800+ PSU)? Never overclocked before you see!
I plan to buy 2x gtx970s to remove my old graphics cards as these are the only two parts in my pc build really that I can really update before I plan to build a new computer at some point in 2016/7 when the new architecture arrives.
I plan to buy 2x gtx970s to remove my old graphics cards as these are the only two parts in my pc build really that I can really update before I plan to build a new computer at some point in 2016/7 when the new architecture arrives.
Need a little help. I've been out of the PC gaming space for quite a while (like Age of Empires 2 kind of a while), and would quite like to get back into it. I've got a PS3 and PS4 so I'm covered for most console exclusives that I'm interested in (may end up with an XO for the Halo collection).
What I really would like is a small form factor PC that can sit next to the TV, and potentially double up as a media hub. I'm not particularly interested in the latest performance intensive games on ultra settings, though wouldn't mind be able to use Oculus rift at some stage down the line. I do a little bit of photo editing as well, so something that would speed up Adobe Creative Suite would also be rather useful.
Really, I'm looking for something that would be as upgradeable as possible, as I don't have the cash to drop on an uber build. This will probably end up being something that will be assembled in bits over time.
Anyway, here's what I'm looking for:
Your Current Specs: None - Console peasant.
Budget: £500-800 UK
Main Use:
Light Gaming - 5
Gaming - 5
Emulation (PS2/Wii) - 2
Video Editing - 1
Streaming games in HD - 1
3D/Model work (and what program) - 1
General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback) - 5
Monitor Resolution: Will be using living room TV. 1080p LED (don't know the refresh rate, but I assume 60hz).
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Minecraft, Team Fortress 2, Counterstrike, Civilization, some FPS (COD, Battlefield etc).
Is 30FPS acceptable? 60? 120? How important is PhysX / SuperSampling / CUDA to you?: 60FPS+ ideally. No idea what the rest of those are
Looking to reuse any parts?: Nope.
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline?: Not really. If I can get something functional in order to play a bit of Minecraft or TF2, then upgrade later, I'm fine with that.
Will you be overclocking?: Maybe, though don't have the faintest idea what I'd be doing.
Thanks for any and all advice.
"This will probably end up being something that will be assembled in bits over time." - That'll be a problem then for recommending parts as prices change over time frequently. If I was to mock up a full build for you next week it could've went up by £20, or another part could go on sale and be a better deal.
Yep that's plenty of power to do so.
Good guide here http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/...-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition Lots of other guides out there.
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
Thanks Kharma Time to make use of this processor to get best bang out of it after these years of not clocking it. It will be good experience to actually do this stuff at last!
Time to make use of this processor to get best bang out of it after these years of not clocking it. It will be good experience to actually do this stuff at last!The1stOfHisName
Member
Fair enough. I meant more whether I can get something functional in the short term while saving some cash for a better graphics card or more powerful processor. With mini towers, I'm not really sure what the constraints are in terms of space for bigger cards/cooling etc.
Thanks for the reply though!
EDIT: Ideally, I'd be shooting for around Christmas for the build.
For your budget you'll be able to get a very good system. Small ITX systems aren't a limiting factor at all.
I'll have a look at a build later for you if no one else has. Need to get something finished up here before lunch at work before I can mess around!
Edit - If you're building at Xmas I'd say ideally come back to us then. Things we recommend now won't be the same as then.
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