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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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ChrisV

ChrisV

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So I used to be really into PC gaming. Then I went and got a big screen TV with 7.1 surround sound. My video card isn't that great, but the rest of my PC isn't bad. (i7...12GB RAM, but the video card is a GT640 GDDR5). When running stuff to the TV, I can only get 2.0 sound. I've checked all the settings in Windows 7. Can't figure it out. When streaming movies and TV shows from XBMC, everything works just fine. Any ideas on how I can fix this?
 
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Pepiope

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Shadowhaxor said:
I've gone through 2 of these cards due to issue. Buyer beware!



Yes, assuming they have the 980's in stock. There's a pretty long line for the step-up program and I've yet to get a notification and I've had my GTX 970 since day one (Not counting the two RMA's).
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What issues did you have?
 
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ChrisV said:
So I used to be really into PC gaming. Then I went and got a big screen TV with 7.1 surround sound. My video card isn't that great, but the rest of my PC isn't bad. (i7...12GB RAM, but the video card is a GT640 GDDR5). When running stuff to the TV, I can only get 2.0 sound. I've checked all the settings in Windows 7. Can't figure it out. When streaming movies and TV shows from XBMC, everything works just fine. Any ideas on how I can fix this?
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Check the digital pass-through on the receiver and disable it if it's enabled.
 
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Shadowhaxor

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Pepiope said:
What issues did you have?
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Extremely loud coil whine is the best way to describe it. Thankfully EVGA was spot on with helping me get the issue taken care of. But there are a lot of other folks out there (especially on the EVGA forums) that are having the same issue.

And they are still loud, even with the ACX 2.0. Speculation is that the fan/heatsink wasn't designed for the card. Even under mild stress this thing is loud.
 
ChrisV

ChrisV

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Shadowhaxor said:
Check the digital pass-through on the receiver and disable it if it's enabled.
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I looked through all the settings and could not find that setting for the life of me. I tried that last week. My receiver is an Onkyo HT-RC360. Went through all the menus and couldn't find anything.
 
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Pepiope

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Shadowhaxor said:
Extremely loud coil whine is the best way to describe it. Thankfully EVGA was spot on with helping me get the issue taken care of. But there are a lot of other folks out there (especially on the EVGA forums) that are having the same issue.

And they are still loud, even with the ACX 2.0. Speculation is that the fan/heatsink wasn't designed for the card. Even under mild stress this thing is loud.
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Ah. If I have that issue I wouldn't know it seeing as this will be my first card. I have no idea what normal noise levels sound like for a GPU.
 
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Felix Lighter

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ChrisV said:
So I used to be really into PC gaming. Then I went and got a big screen TV with 7.1 surround sound. My video card isn't that great, but the rest of my PC isn't bad. (i7...12GB RAM, but the video card is a GT640 GDDR5). When running stuff to the TV, I can only get 2.0 sound. I've checked all the settings in Windows 7. Can't figure it out. When streaming movies and TV shows from XBMC, everything works just fine. Any ideas on how I can fix this?
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Did you configure speakers in your HDMI audo playback device?
 
ChrisV

ChrisV

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Felix Lighter said:
Did you configure speakers in your HDMI audo playback device?
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Yes. Everything in Windows is set correctly. I run the test. I get sounds out of all of the speakers and the sub. It's just when running games. Like I said, XBMC is fine. I got 5.1 or 7.1. The receiver even tags what is (DTS-HD Master 7.1 etc.). I'm puzzled by this problem. I asked a buddy about it earlier and he was also at a loss.
 
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Xiraiya

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Jesus, so I was looking at some RAM for PCPartPicker, everything I'm interested in has casing on it that just seems way over the top, how is low profile even defined now?
 
ChrisV

ChrisV

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ChrisV said:
Yes. Everything in Windows is set correctly. I run the test. I get sounds out of all of the speakers and the sub. It's just when running games. Like I said, XBMC is fine. I got 5.1 or 7.1. The receiver even tags what is (DTS-HD Master 7.1 etc.). I'm puzzled by this problem. I asked a buddy about it earlier and he was also at a loss.
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So I just did some more testing. I put in a DVD, and I get 5.1 using a DVD. Still 2.0 (well technically 2.1 with the sub) with any games. This is so strange.
 
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garath

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ChrisV said:
So I just did some more testing. I put in a DVD, and I get 5.1 using a DVD. Still 2.0 (well technically 2.1 with the sub) with any games. This is so strange.
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Are your games set to stereo or headphones in game?

The games have to support 5.1 to be able to output it. Not all do.
 
ChrisV

ChrisV

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garath said:
Are your games set to stereo or headphones in game?

The games have to support 5.1 to be able to output it. Not all do.
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Tried the new Borderlands and Alien: Isolation. Both just did 2 channels. I would imagine that at least Alien would support it.
 
McHuj

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So I just got my second MSI 970. Same symptom, GPU will not turn on. LED's come on, fan spins, but no output display.

My PS is a 600W Corsair, previously I had been running a 670 so I don't think that't the issue.

I'm wondering if the motherboard is the next culprit, I have a GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) with a 3770k. Maybe there's some weird incompatibility with the the motherboard chipset and newer GPU's. Anyone experience anything like this?
 
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garath

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ChrisV said:
Tried the new Borderlands and Alien: Isolation. Both just did 2 channels. I would imagine that at least Alien would support it.
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Did you go into the games sound settings and check? Usually they would inherit the windows default but if its not working its worth checking.
 
ChrisV

ChrisV

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garath said:
Did you go into the games sound settings and check? Usually they would inherit the windows default but if its not working its worth checking.
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Yes. I've tried everything I can think of. It might just a problem with my receiver, but I just don't get why it would output surround sound on everything except for games.
 
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kennah

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On a lark I just put my old win 7 SSD into a wildly different computer. It booted after two blue screens. Finally get to play games again!
 
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opticalmace

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McHuj said:
So I just got my second MSI 970. Same symptom, GPU will not turn on. LED's come on, fan spins, but no output display.

My PS is a 600W Corsair, previously I had been running a 670 so I don't think that't the issue.

I'm wondering if the motherboard is the next culprit, I have a GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) with a 3770k. Maybe there's some weird incompatibility with the the motherboard chipset and newer GPU's. Anyone experience anything like this?
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I assume you have both power cables hooked up to the GPU? What port are you using? Displayport? Try HDMI or whatever else it has in case it's something like that.
 
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zma1013

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I tried the suggestion earlier about using MSI Afterburner to monitor the CPU temperature but I don't like that it has the ability to overclock stuff and I can't seem to be able to turn off the overclocking features. I'm afraid that something might get accidentally changed while using it. Is there a hardware monitor that is only a hardware monitor, in that it just observes?
 
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The Llama

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zma1013 said:
I tried the suggestion earlier about using MSI Afterburner to monitor the CPU temperature but I don't like that it has the ability to overclock stuff and I can't seem to be able to turn off the overclocking features. I'm afraid that something might get accidentally changed while using it. Is there a hardware monitor that is only a hardware monitor, in that it just observes?
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Just... don't touch any of that stuff? And even if you do, you won't mess it up. I promise.
 
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Varna

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zma1013 said:
I tried the suggestion earlier about using MSI Afterburner to monitor the CPU temperature but I don't like that it has the ability to overclock stuff and I can't seem to be able to turn off the overclocking features. I'm afraid that something might get accidentally changed while using it. Is there a hardware monitor that is only a hardware monitor, in that it just observes?
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I use it to just monitor stuff on my G19 LCD screen. It won't do anything unless you move some sliders around. You can just set to default if you move something on accident.
 
xBladeM6x

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Pepiope said:
I have no idea why but the EVGA 970 just dropped from $350 to $340 on Newegg after I purchased it. Boo.
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That $10.

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zma1013

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Pepiope said:
I have no idea why but the EVGA 970 just dropped from $350 to $340 on Newegg after I purchased it. Boo.
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Talk to their support and you can get the difference refunded to you in the form of a gift card. I think you have to do it within 14 days of the price change though. It's their Iron Egg Guarantee. Easiest way is to do the online chat probably.
 
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bomer

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McHuj said:
So I just got my second MSI 970. Same symptom, GPU will not turn on. LED's come on, fan spins, but no output display.

My PS is a 600W Corsair, previously I had been running a 670 so I don't think that't the issue.

I'm wondering if the motherboard is the next culprit, I have a GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) with a 3770k. Maybe there's some weird incompatibility with the the motherboard chipset and newer GPU's. Anyone experience anything like this?
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Had exact same issue with my gigabyte z77 mobo. Both GPUs did the same thing. Bios update fixed it. Took about ten minutes to do, just unplug cards, download binary file to a USB and install it via the bios. I was on revision 7 and 12 was available with "additional nvidia GPU support added" at revision 8.
 
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zma1013 said:
I tried the suggestion earlier about using MSI Afterburner to monitor the CPU temperature but I don't like that it has the ability to overclock stuff and I can't seem to be able to turn off the overclocking features. I'm afraid that something might get accidentally changed while using it. Is there a hardware monitor that is only a hardware monitor, in that it just observes?
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CPU-Z, Open Hardware Monitor, CPUID Hardware Monitor. None of those make fancy graphs but will give you accurate details. Those are what I use.
 
McHuj

McHuj

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bomer said:
Had exact same issue with my gigabyte z77 mobo. Both GPUs did the same thing. Bios update fixed it. Took about ten minutes to do, just unplug cards, download binary file to a USB and install it via the bios. I was on revision 7 and 12 was available with "additional nvidia GPU support added" at revision 8.
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Yeah that was my thinking, unfortunately no bios updates in the last year and a half. I'm gonna pickup a new MB tomorrow and see what happens.

No dvi or display port worked.
 
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JNA

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JNA said:
Let's say the size is like, 20-25 inches. As for as how much to spend, I'm not sure. Whatever gives me the best results for FPS. Resolution as well but FPS is the bigger priority for me.
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Still would like to know the best kind of monitor from this build. :D

xBladeM6x said:
This build is meant to be future-proofed for SLI in the future if you so choose, and the target was $2,000. Feel free to adjust how you want. Obviously some of this is overkill / spending money for spending's sake. But it's all really good parts. :p

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($184.50 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card ($585.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($194.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1975.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 05:30 EDT-0400
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xBladeM6x

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JNA said:
Ok so question: what exactly does Hz do? Is 144 Hz any good compared to your average monitor?
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Hz has no impact on anything, aside from the speed at which the display shows individual frames. It's the refresh rate of the monitor. Essentially, if you have a 60 Hz monitor, your games will display at 60 FPS. However, most people don't use the 144 Hz part of that monitor, they only really go for 60 FPS / Hz or 120 FPS / Hz depending on the game. Most AAA graphically demanding games you'll just play at 60 FPS, whereas anything else would probably be at 120.
 
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Lethal

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So I bought a 780 Lightning for HKD4000 ($500) about half a year ago. Im now in a position to sell it for $400 and buy an MSI 970 for the same amount.

From everything Ive read, it seems to be a marginal upgrade. Maybe not worth it due to the inferior cooling and possibility of coil whine.

Any reason I should do it? I feel like I may be overlooking something.

(small overclocks on my 780 right now)
 
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OTIX

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Kuro said:
Anyone else having issues with fan noise on the Gigabyte G1 Windforce 970? It gets kind of loud around 60%
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I've used MSI Afterburner to reduce the fan curve so it now runs at below 55% speed at full load which is basically inaudible in my case. I also overclocked the card quite a bit but it still only reaches around 70C despite the lower fan speed. This cooler is just massively overkill for such a power efficient GPU.
 
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Jotamide

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PC GAF this is what I've got so far:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($246.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-Plus ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($88.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Sandisk Solid State Drive 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($349.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1214.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-14 05:51 EDT-0400

Now I'm torn between the SeaSonic SSR-550RM and the EVGA 220-G2-0750-XR. Any comments regarding these two? Are there any better options out there for the same price (~$90)? Any comments about the build itself are more than welcome as well. :)
 
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