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[PhoenixTank]

I've got a question though I think I know what the answer will be, just curious what you all think.

I have 2 processors and I'm working on two builds.

Goals are 1: a pc that is used mostly for emulation of Wii and earlier titles with some modern games at high settings on a 4k screen. Goal is 60 fps 4k, willing to sacrifice settings to hit it.

And 2: a pc that is mostly used for gamepass at highest possible quality settings at 60-120fps at 1080p.

I have a 5600x and a 5800x. I have a 1070 and will be buying a new radeon gpu. Probably a 6800 or 6800xt. Willing to buy another lower end gpu if I must so don't dwell too much on the 1070. Maybe a 2070 or 3060.

Which cpu would you pair with which gpu for which build?

5600X in the first, 5800X in the second.

GPU might vary depending on which other platforms you want to emulate.
High end GPU for your 4K goal and 1070/1070 upgrade for the second. GPU is definitely the part that smells off with this second build. I guess it depends how much you want to get to high FPS vs 60.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

5600X in the first, 5800X in the second.

GPU might vary depending on which other platforms you want to emulate.
High end GPU for your 4K goal and 1070/1070 upgrade for the second. GPU is definitely the part that smells off with this second build. I guess it depends how much you want to get to high FPS vs 60.

Pretty much what I expected to hear. I'll be emulating everything pre Wii save for maybe PS3. Second build is for gamepass at high framerate and modern games at 60 with high settings but at 1080p. Figured the 1070 would likely not be salvageable

 

[PhoenixTank]

Pretty much what I expected to hear. I'll be emulating everything pre Wii save for maybe PS3. Second build is for gamepass at high framerate and modern games at 60 with high settings but at 1080p. Figured the 1070 would likely not be salvageable

Assuming PS3 wasn't a typo you may want to look at benchmarks for 6 vs 8 cores in RPCS3 with these new chips. Without specifics then advice for emulators would be that if it has mature Vulkan support you'll have pretty good times with AMD & Nvidia. If the emulator is stuck with just OpenGL, then Nvidia wins for performance and accuracy IIRC. Less hard and fast rules for DirectX.

If nothing else you can see how the 1070 performs before getting another card for the second system.

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

Assuming PS3 wasn't a typo you may want to look at benchmarks for 6 vs 8 cores in RPCS3 with these new chips. Without specifics then advice for emulators would be that if it has mature Vulkan support you'll have pretty good times with AMD & Nvidia. If the emulator is stuck with just OpenGL, then Nvidia wins for performance and accuracy IIRC. Less hard and fast rules for DirectX.

If nothing else you can see how the 1070 performs before getting another card for the second system.

I could have been more clear but I'll be emulating everything except PS3. This is kinda what I expected. The question will be if the 1070 can handle high framerate Xbox games. I figured I'd need the higher end gpu for 4k, I was more curious what y'all would think would be better for high framerate gamepass titles. The 8 core or 6 core cpu. I'm sure they'd both be great for either task, but which task is each cpu MORE suited for you know?

 

[small_law]

The most any of us can ask for right now is to buy parts of MSRP.

It's called capcha you fucks, put it on your site.

 

[PhoenixTank]

I could have been more clear but I'll be emulating everything except PS3. This is kinda what I expected. The question will be if the 1070 can handle high framerate Xbox games. I figured I'd need the higher end gpu for 4k, I was more curious what y'all would think would be better for high framerate gamepass titles. The 8 core or 6 core cpu. I'm sure they'd both be great for either task, but which task is each cpu MORE suited for you know?

The 1080p benchmarks definitely show a small but significant fps difference between the 5800X & 5600X. And if you subscribe to the "consoles have 8 cores, I must have 8 cores" logic you're well suited there.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

My actual PC is:
i3 8100
Asrock 310m DGS
2x DD4 8GB 2400mhz
SSD 480GB Sata
GTX 1060 6GB

I decided to take a look at what Nvidia had when ps4 launched and it was the 700 family,
With my 1060 I was able to play 99% of the games at 1080p high 60fps

So I bought this week:

2x DDR4 8GB 3200Mhz
B550M AORUS ELITE v1.00
Ryzen 5 3600
1TB KingDian NVME SSD

am I good for now? My plan is to wait until the RTX 4000 arrives, even the 3000 if the price is right (in brazil).

Also, what are the biggest changes that I will notice with my new hardware? I'm so excited but it may take a month or two to be delivered

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

My actual PC is:
i3 8100
Asrock 310m DGS
2x DD4 8GB 2400mhz
SSD 480GB Sata
GTX 1060 6GB

I decided to take a look at what Nvidia had when ps4 launched and it was the 700 family,
With my 1060 I was able to play 99% of the games at 1080p high 60fps

So I bought this week:

2x DDR4 8GB 3200Mhz
B550M AORUS ELITE v1.00
Ryzen 5 3600
1TB KingDian NVME SSD

am I good for now? My plan is to wait until the RTX 4000 arrives, even the 3000 if the price is right (in brazil).

Also, what are the biggest changes that I will notice with my new hardware? I'm so excited but it may take a month or two to be delivered

Personally I'd move on from the 1060 for this gen but the 3600 will probably be fine. Why didn't you wait for a 5600x if your build isn't ready? Would have given you more headroom. If it's in the budget that is. I bought a 3600 a month or so ago myself but returned it when the 5600 specs were revealed.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Personally I'd move on from the 1060 for this gen but the 3600 will probably be fine. Why didn't you wait for a 5600x if your build isn't ready? Would have given you more headroom. If it's in the budget that is. I bought a 3600 a month or so ago myself but returned it when the 5600 specs were revealed.

PC components are at their all-time high prices right now in Brazil, which may be not so bad because if the 5600 prices aren't bad I can resell my 3600 for a good price (I bought everything on Aliexpress) and buy it.

 

[rofif]

Ultra low latency on gsync, vrr and RTSS question...
It is well known that for freesync/gsync displays, the rule is to enable VRR, force vsync(as it acts not only as ceiling but also tearing removal inside vrr window) and most importantly - Force FPS lock with RTSS to 2 or 3 frames below max. I game on 4k60hz monitor so I always cap to 58fps to stay in VRR window.
I've been comparing this method above to Nvidia Ultra Low Latency mode. You can switch it to on which seems to work by limiting the fps frame buffer to 1 frame.
Or You can set it to ULTRA which actually seems to be doing same job as RTSS by limiting the framerate right blow vsync window. On my display it shows as 59fps when checking with on screen display with RTSS (with rtss frame cap disabled).
Any more research on this? I am kinda tired of this whole RTSS 58 (some say it should be 57) lock. It has negative effect on some games. So with every game I have to always find a way to have smoothest, tear free least laggy experience. It shouldn't be like that... but some games don't like 58fps... other games are extremely laggy with just vsync alone and so on.
Edit: btw my still prefer method is to enable gsync, vsync and lock fps to 58 or 60

 

[PhoenixTank]

I go vsync off, gsync on. Rtss cap at 140/141 on a 144hz monitor.
You sure you're not causing issues your by having vsync with that cap? Game engines can act screwy if they have vsync but are getting limited to >30 & <60, in my experience.

Before gsync I liked borderless window/triple buffer vsync for fluidity and no tearing... But have seen people call that heresy too.

 

[MadYarpen]

Guys, any point in upgrading to Ryzen 7 3700x from Ryzen 5 2600?

I will see how it goes with a new GPU in new titles, but I'd like to be ready. I don't want to upgrade for the sake of it. FPS wise I don't have to go into 100+ territory. I'll be buying RTX 3070 or RX 6800 for 1440p ultra wide monitor, I just wouldn't want the CPU to hold this back.

Apart from gaming I'm doing some music recording, so a good CPU is nice but I don't really need super high - end for that. Even though some improvement is always welcome.

 

[Mista]

Guys, any point in upgrading to Ryzen 7 3700x from Ryzen 5 2600?

I will see how it goes with a new GPU in new titles, but I'd like to be ready. I don't want to upgrade for the sake of it. FPS wise I don't have to go into 100+ territory. I'll be buying RTX 3070 or RX 6800 for 1440p ultra wide monitor, I just wouldn't want the CPU to hold this back.

Apart from gaming I'm doing some music recording, so a good CPU is nice but I don't really need super high - end for that. Even though some improvement is always welcome.

Very good CPU even with the new cards. No bottlenecks at all. My friend uses it on a 3080 and playing on 1440

 

[MadYarpen]

Thanks bro. Rally glad to hear that.

 

[Kenpachii]

Guys, any point in upgrading to Ryzen 7 3700x from Ryzen 5 2600?

I will see how it goes with a new GPU in new titles, but I'd like to be ready. I don't want to upgrade for the sake of it. FPS wise I don't have to go into 100+ territory. I'll be buying RTX 3070 or RX 6800 for 1440p ultra wide monitor, I just wouldn't want the CPU to hold this back.

Apart from gaming I'm doing some music recording, so a good CPU is nice but I don't really need super high - end for that. Even though some improvement is always welcome.

Totally depends on what games you play. If you play cpu demanding games any cpu performance will rule over GPU performance. if you play games that barely tax the cpu mostly then there is no point in upgrading really.

 

[rofif]

I go vsync off, gsync on. Rtss cap at 140/141 on a 144hz monitor.
You sure you're not causing issues your by having vsync with that cap? Game engines can act screwy if they have vsync but are getting limited to >30 & <60, in my experience.

Before gsync I liked borderless window/triple buffer vsync for fluidity and no tearing... But have seen people call that heresy too.

I think with gsync, vsync is no longer the same thing and just removes leftover tearing and acts as ceiling which you never reach because of RTSS fps cap... but I am not sure. It might break some games

 

[Ascend]

Guys, any point in upgrading to Ryzen 7 3700x from Ryzen 5 2600?

I will see how it goes with a new GPU in new titles, but I'd like to be ready. I don't want to upgrade for the sake of it. FPS wise I don't have to go into 100+ territory. I'll be buying RTX 3070 or RX 6800 for 1440p ultra wide monitor, I just wouldn't want the CPU to hold this back.

Apart from gaming I'm doing some music recording, so a good CPU is nice but I don't really need super high - end for that. Even though some improvement is always welcome.

Go for the 5600X instead of the 3700X.

 

[Mista]

Go for the 5600X instead of the 3700X.

Good recommendation. I second this

MadYarpen

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Another question:
Last time I upgraded my PC I had some problems with programs, OS included, giving headache because I made changes to my hardware.

since I will have a new MOBO and NVME SSD:
Should I reinstall my windows?
is it possible to "clone" it? (or should I avoid this?)
do we have an easy way to transfer W10 licenses?

And finally:
When you create partitions, how much space do you usually reserve for 'C:'? How do you organize space/folders?
Do you install most of your programs on c: or other partitions?

 

[A.Romero]

Another question:
Last time I upgraded my PC I had some problems with programs, OS included, giving headache because I made changes to my hardware.

since I will have a new MOBO and NVME SSD:
Should I reinstall my windows?
is it possible to "clone" it? (or should I avoid this?)
do we have an easy way to transfer W10 licenses?

And finally:
When you create partitions, how much space do you usually reserve for 'C:'? How do you organize space/folders?
Do you install most of your programs on c: or other partitions?

I'd recommend a fresh install. This is what I'd do:

- Partition the current drive in two: one partition with the OS and a second one with all your data including game files
- Install new SSD
- Install Windows
- Boot from the new installation
- Copy from the data partition whatever you think needs the extra speed from the NVME
- Delete original OS Partition
- Play until your eyes bleed

 

[Kenpachii]

Just keep that nvme drive as 1 partition c and install windows and your games on it. we are no longer in the HDD age where this shit matters. Want another partition for backup solutions just buy a slow hdd 7200rpm of a few tbs and use it as storage.

 

[gela94]

Feels like now is a very bad time to upgrade, either stuff is not available or overpriced

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Feels like now is a very bad time to upgrade, either stuff is not available or overpriced

Yes. I bought everything on Aliexpress, brazil's postal service may be a problem
I only bought it because I have a grant to spend on PC components for my lab :\

Just keep that nvme drive as 1 partition c and install windows and your games on it. we are no longer in the HDD age where this shit matters. Want another partition for backup solutions just buy a slow hdd 7200rpm of a few tbs and use it as storage.

I'm from a time where everyone was afraid of the next virus destroying your files but thanks to the cloud it is no longer necessary I see.

I'd recommend a fresh install. This is what I'd do:

- Partition the current drive in two: one partition with the OS and a second one with all your data including game files
- Install new SSD
- Install Windows
- Boot from the new installation
- Copy from the data partition whatever you think needs the extra speed from the NVME
- Delete original OS Partition
- Play until your eyes bleed

Thanks for the help
I have two old HDD (1TB, 500GB) and one SSD (480GB), so I decided to back up everything and install the OS in the NVME with no partitions.

 

[Aesius]

So I finally got my hands on a 3080. Monitor is Acer X34 3440x1440 100 hz.

System specs are:

i7 7700
16 GB 3200 RAM
EVGA 650W PSU

Should I look into building a new PC around the 3080? I've looked at a lot of benchmarks and it seems the 7700 will only mildly bottleneck the 3080 at 3440x1440. However, I think that may quickly change as games built for PS5/XSX come to PC.

Would I be better off just waiting to build around the 3080 in a year or two?

 

[zwiggelbig]

`So if you buy a 5600x right now you need to manually update your bios externally?
i want a new pc with the newest Ryzen but from what I read it seems really difficult for a non techie to actually instal a new ryzen...

 

[DGrayson]

So I finally got my hands on a 3080. Monitor is Acer X34 3440x1440 100 hz.

System specs are:

i7 7700
16 GB 3200 RAM
EVGA 650W PSU

Should I look into building a new PC around the 3080? I've looked at a lot of benchmarks and it seems the 7700 will only mildly bottleneck the 3080 at 3440x1440. However, I think that may quickly change as games built for PS5/XSX come to PC.

Would I be better off just waiting to build around the 3080 in a year or two?

I have a 7700k, 16GB 3000mhz ram, a 3080, 850W PSU and I game at 1440p.

For now I am going to stick with what I have. will probably get a new CPU and MOBO in a year or more, I think this setup should be fine for now.

 

[neo-berserk]

HI everyone,just build a new pc.Here are the specs:
ryzen 7 3700x
gskill 32gb 3600mhz
msi 2070s 8 gb
thermaltake 750w
ssd 1tb wd blue
asus tuf gaming x570 plus
fractal design focus g black case.

i would say it can compete with next gen console? about as strong as a ps5?

 

[kikonawa]

HI everyone,just build a new pc.Here are the specs:
ryzen 7 3700x
gskill 32gb 3600mhz
msi 2070s 8 gb
thermaltake 750w
ssd 1tb wd blue
asus tuf gaming x570 plus
fractal design focus g black case.

i would say it can compete with next gen console? about as strong as a ps5?

Sure it will

 

[neo-berserk]

Sure it will

hope it will last 2 years at least. after that upgrade to 5800x and 6900xt

 

[dcx4610]

I mentioned it in the Xbox thread but if anyone is looking for a new controller, the new Xbox Core controller is fantastic. I'm a bit of a d-pad snob and was really surprised when I tested out the new controller at Best Buy. The new d-pad reminds me a bit of the Sega Genesis controller and feels really good and precise.

I had the Elite controller for years and then recently got the Elite 2. After feeling the new d-pad, I legit think it's better than the Elite controller. While not as grippy as the Elite, it's lighter and I like the overall feel better and think it might be my new favorite controller for PC and emulation.

 

[PhoenixTank]

So I finally got my hands on a 3080. Monitor is Acer X34 3440x1440 100 hz.

System specs are:

i7 7700
16 GB 3200 RAM
EVGA 650W PSU

Should I look into building a new PC around the 3080? I've looked at a lot of benchmarks and it seems the 7700 will only mildly bottleneck the 3080 at 3440x1440. However, I think that may quickly change as games built for PS5/XSX come to PC.

Would I be better off just waiting to build around the 3080 in a year or two?

I'd see if you can hold out until AM5/DDR5 & whatever Intel are offering at that time before a rebuild. You can at least see how performance actually is with your current system & the 3080 and make an informed decision rather than guesswork.

`So if you buy a 5600x right now you need to manually update your bios externally?
i want a new pc with the newest Ryzen but from what I read it seems really difficult for a non techie to actually instal a new ryzen...

Where did you get that wording from? Most X570 boards have BIOS flashback which allows you to update the BIOS with just a usb stick, no CPU required. I think coverage is pretty good on B550 too.
Beta BIOSes that allow you to boot with Zen 3 have been released & around for a few months now... and hopefully shipping out of the factory since then.
Can always check with your retailer too.
There is also the CPU lending program AMD offers if you're really stuffed.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

I mentioned it in the Xbox thread but if anyone is looking for a new controller, the new Xbox Core controller is fantastic. I'm a bit of a d-pad snob and was really surprised when I tested out the new controller at Best Buy. The new d-pad reminds me a bit of the Sega Genesis controller and feels really good and precise.

I had the Elite controller for years and then recently got the Elite 2. After feeling the new d-pad, I legit think it's better than the Elite controller. While not as grippy as the Elite, it's lighter and I like the overall feel better and think it might be my new favorite controller for PC and emulation.

How are the sticks? Are they tighter than on Xbox One controller?

 

[dcx4610]

How are the sticks? Are they tighter than on Xbox One controller?

Sticks feel identical to me. I never had a problem with them but yeah, no change there. The only other difference is the d-pad as mentioned and a textured grip on the back and on the triggers. Not rubberized like the Elite but still an improvement.

 

[dcx4610]

Damn. Speaking of, the controller just went on sale for $39 already - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/xbox-controllers-starting-at

I just bought mine for $59 at Amazon.

 

[GreatnessRD]

Damn. Speaking of, the controller just went on sale for $39 already - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/xbox-controllers-starting-at

I just bought mine for $59 at Amazon.

All I heard was buy it from Best buy and return it to Amazon.

Because finesse.

 

[GymWolf]

Guys, is this a good psu for a 3080\6800xt-latest amd\intel cpu combo?! (not only for powers requirements, cables etc.)
Take in mind that i don't usually overclock cpu and gpu.

EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3, 80 Plus Gold 750W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan, 10 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 150mm Size, Power Supply 220-G3-0750-X1

EVGA SuperNOVA power supplies are well known for their extreme efficiency, performance and reliability. In fact, over the last 3 years EVGA SuperNOVA power supplies have won over 70 awards from leading review sites. It is EVGA�s dedication to performance that has created the latest power...

www.evga.com

 

[grkazan12]

Building a new PC finally, but I wanted a more compact case that I can take with me on holidays. I'm coming from a Coolermaster RC-692 and I was torn between the Define 7 Compact and the NZXT H500. I plan on installing a 3080 in this build including a radiator they're both able to accommodate, just wanted to know what would be better case between the two?

I was also thinking of the Meshify C, but so far the front runner might be Define 7 due to the fact that it's the only case that has a USB-C port in the front IO.

Fractal Design Define 7 Compact Black Brushed Aluminum/Steel ATX Compact Silent Mid Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

Buy Fractal Design Define 7 Compact Black Brushed Aluminum/Steel ATX Compact Silent Mid Tower Computer Case with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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NZXT H500i - Compact ATX Mid-Tower PC Gaming Case - RGB Lighting and Fan Control - CAM-Powered Smart Device - Tempered Glass Panel - Enhanced Cable Management System – Water-Cooling Ready - WHI/BLK - Newegg.com

Buy NZXT H500i - Compact ATX Mid-Tower PC Gaming Case - RGB Lighting and Fan Control - CAM-Powered Smart Device - Tempered Glass Panel - Enhanced Cable Management System – Water-Cooling Ready - WHI/BLK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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[Soulblighter31]

Building a new PC finally, but I wanted a more compact case that I can take with me on holidays. I'm coming from a Coolermaster RC-692 and I was torn between the Define 7 Compact and the NZXT H500. I plan on installing a 3080 in this build including a radiator they're both able to accommodate, just wanted to know what would be better case between the two?

I was also thinking of the Meshify C, but so far the front runner might be Define 7 due to the fact that it's the only case that has a USB-C port in the front IO.

Fractal Design Define 7 Compact Black Brushed Aluminum/Steel ATX Compact Silent Mid Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

Buy Fractal Design Define 7 Compact Black Brushed Aluminum/Steel ATX Compact Silent Mid Tower Computer Case with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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NZXT H500i - Compact ATX Mid-Tower PC Gaming Case - RGB Lighting and Fan Control - CAM-Powered Smart Device - Tempered Glass Panel - Enhanced Cable Management System – Water-Cooling Ready - WHI/BLK - Newegg.com

Buy NZXT H500i - Compact ATX Mid-Tower PC Gaming Case - RGB Lighting and Fan Control - CAM-Powered Smart Device - Tempered Glass Panel - Enhanced Cable Management System – Water-Cooling Ready - WHI/BLK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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Get the meshify c, never pick a case with solid fronts. Where's the air gonna come from if it has a solid front ?

 

[grkazan12]

Get the meshify c, never pick a case with solid fronts. Where's the air gonna come from if it has a solid front ?

Thanks for the response Soul, are there any other good compact cases that have a USB-C in the front IO?

 

[DiegoAndrad]

I need help. I just bought the Ryzen 5 5600x and I've noticed it's running hot. At idle, the temperatures rover around 50ºC, playing Witcher 3 it was around 75ºC (~20% load) and during a stress test it can get to 94ºC. I'm using the Wraith Stealth cooler that came with it. My previous CPU was a i3 7100, although the TDP is lower (51w vs 65w), I never saw it above 75ºC, even when running at 100% load.

To be fair, I did mess up a little bit the cooler installation and had to unscrew it, adjust the position and then screw it back again. I've seen people say that in that case you should reapply termal paste, to avoid air bubbles, but there's a video from Gamer's Nexus saying that's a myth, and another guy tested this and found no difference.

So I thought it might be the cooler. But then I've seen conflicting results in comparisons between coolers. In one video, the Wraith Stealth performs just like any other cooler, in another the difference is huge.

What do you guys think? Is it the termal paste or is it the cooler?

 

[kikonawa]

as long as the paste is still fresh it shouldnt be a problem. As long as you have enough paste. ( better more then too litle). If the cooler is perfectly making contact then you shouldnt really worry i guess

 

[GymWolf]

Is sharkoon an ok brand for a psu??

SilentStorm Cool Zero - sharkoon.com

it.sharkoon.com

 

[BusierDonkey]

I need help. I just bought the Ryzen 5 5600x and I've noticed it's running hot. At idle, the temperatures rover around 50ºC, playing Witcher 3 it was around 75ºC (~20% load) and during a stress test it can get to 94ºC. I'm using the Wraith Stealth cooler that came with it. My previous CPU was a i3 7100, although the TDP is lower (51w vs 65w), I never saw it above 75ºC, even when running at 100% load.

To be fair, I did mess up a little bit the cooler installation and had to unscrew it, adjust the position and then screw it back again. I've seen people say that in that case you should reapply termal paste, to avoid air bubbles, but there's a video from Gamer's Nexus saying that's a myth, and another guy tested this and found no difference.

So I thought it might be the cooler. But then I've seen conflicting results in comparisons between coolers. In one video, the Wraith Stealth performs just like any other cooler, in another the difference is huge.

What do you guys think? Is it the termal paste or is it the cooler?

Try re-applying it. Worst case scenario it doesn't make any difference. Best case it helps and it only took a few minutes.

94C on the CPU temps seems insane though, even 75C seems high on an i3-7300. I've rarely seen over 45C on i7-5820K with a hefty overclock. Even in my old case I rarely saw mid-50s.

What is your case/airflow situation? I'm assuming this is a relatively small case PC?

EDIT: I realize I tend to go a bit extreme for lower temps but I'd suggest a better cooler. The pack-ins are fine for general use but under heavy load I wouldn't go with something that small.

 

[dave_d]

Try re-applying it. Worst case scenario it doesn't make any difference. Best case it helps and it only took a few minutes.

94C on the CPU temps seems insane though, even 75C seems high on an i3-7300. I've rarely seen over 45C on i7-5820K with a hefty overclock. Even in my old case I rarely saw mid-50s.

What is your case/airflow situation? I'm assuming this is a relatively small case PC?

EDIT: I realize I tend to go a bit extreme for lower temps but I'd suggest a better cooler. The pack-ins are fine for general use but under heavy load I wouldn't go with something that small.

Wait, wasn't the deal with AMD cpus that they measure temperature differently? IE they have temperature sensors in the middle of the die where it's hotter vs only at the edge like intel. I thought because of that you can't actually compare intel and AMD temps. Admittedly I'm very new to AMD CPUs.

 

[BusierDonkey]

I'm not comparing Intel vs. AMD temps. I would never open that can of worms in a post trying to help someone. That's not what this thread should be about.

94C is hot, no matter where it was recorded. He said he also mentioned not hitting above 75C on an i3-7300, where I would be alarmed if I saw anything above 60C on the same CPU. I'm just trying to figure out if DiegoAndrad has airflow issues causing such high temps so I can either help him set up better airflow, or recommend some changes to help cool down the CPU.

In any case since I'm in the market for a new CPU, I've been looking into the 5600X and have discovered there is a problem with temps getting out of hand.

Found on Reddit:




TEMPORARY SOLUTION:
1.)enter BIOS
2.) find Core Voltage(it can be also named Vcore) and change from "AUTO" to 1.2V.
3.) set your CPU Clock Speed from "AUTO" to 4.5GHz (BIOS can offer you some speeds which appear like 45,45.25 etc.)
4.) Don't forget to save changes and then exit BIOS

This has apparently worked for a number of users and it certainly won't hurt to give it a shot.

 

[DiegoAndrad]

Try re-applying it. Worst case scenario it doesn't make any difference. Best case it helps and it only took a few minutes.

94C on the CPU temps seems insane though, even 75C seems high on an i3-7300. I've rarely seen over 45C on i7-5820K with a hefty overclock. Even in my old case I rarely saw mid-50s.

What is your case/airflow situation? I'm assuming this is a relatively small case PC?

EDIT: I realize I tend to go a bit extreme for lower temps but I'd suggest a better cooler. The pack-ins are fine for general use but under heavy load I wouldn't go with something that small.

The only issue is that I don't have any here. So I was hoping to figure it out before having to go out and buy anything.

The airflow is not great, my case is a deepcool frame. My original plan, back in 2017, was to play mostly on PS4, use the PC for college and maybe get a GPU to play some strategy games later. But after two years, I ended up selling the PS4 and getting a GTX 1660.

I live in Brazil with no AC, so ambient temperature is frequently close to 30ºC. Even then, while I had no dedicated GPU, no case fans were needed. After I bought the GPU, I also got two case fans. And I set up the one in the front as intake and the one on the side panel as exhaust. That was the set up I had when recorded those temperatures. The thing is, I thougth the CPU cooler blew hot air away from the CPU, but actually, it blows cool air towards the CPU. So after learning that, I decided to turn the side fan into an intake, leaving no exhast fan. Turns out the 5600x on runs at 89ºC on full sintetic load and at around 65ºC at games now.

TEMPORARY SOLUTION:
1.)enter BIOS
2.) find Core Voltage(it can be also named Vcore) and change from "AUTO" to 1.2V.
3.) set your CPU Clock Speed from "AUTO" to 4.5GHz (BIOS can offer you some speeds which appear like 45,45.25 etc.)
4.) Don't forget to save changes and then exit BIOS

This has apparently worked for a number of users and it certainly won't hurt to give it a shot.

Thanks. It's not even boosting to 4.5 GHz, it's stopping at 4.3Ghz, but I will try that out.

So what do you think? New CPU Cooler (only low profile ones fit), new case or these new temperatures are fine?

 

[BusierDonkey]

The only issue is that I don't have any here. So I was hoping to figure it out before having to go out and buy anything.

If you don't have any, chances are it's fine if you applied the right amount in the first place even after adjusting it. If you do stumble across any, it can't hurt to replace it.

The airflow is not great, my case is a deepcool frame. My original plan, back in 2017, was to play mostly on PS4, use the PC for college and maybe get a GPU to play some strategy games later. But after two years, I ended up selling the PS4 and getting a GTX 1660.

I live in Brazil with no AC, so ambient temperature is frequently close to 30ºC. Even then, while I had no dedicated GPU, no case fans were needed. After I bought the GPU, I also got two case fans. And I set up the one in the front as intake and the one on the side panel as exhaust. That was the set up I had when recorded those temperatures. The thing is, I thought the CPU cooler blew hot air away from the CPU, but actually, it blows cool air towards the CPU. So after learning that, I decided to turn the side fan into an intake, leaving no exhast fan. Turns out the 5600x on runs at 89ºC on full sintetic load and at around 65ºC at games now.

Thanks. It's not even boosting to 4.5 GHz, it's stopping at 4.3Ghz, but I will try that out.

So what do you think? New CPU Cooler (only low profile ones fit), new case or these new temperatures are fine?

The temps are better than they were but lower temps can be had pretty easily with that CPU. I've seen pretty standard layouts showing in the mid 60C max temps in stress tests with a 5600X while reading up on it. The 5600X max temp is 95C and it throttles at 100C, but I would want to keep it running below 80C. Less heat = longer lifespan.

With a decent cooler these guys were both maxing out at 63C in 100% load stress tests. Despite your high ambient temps you should see better than 65C in gaming.
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X review - Power Consumption and temperatures (guru3d.com)

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Review: 6-Core Gaming Beast (techspot.com)

That case is poorly designed for cooling, not trying to talk shit, it's legitimately not a well designed case. The side vent is about the only good thing about it. There is no top venting for heat to escape from and the tiny intake vents are a major bottleneck for airflow which is why flipping your side fan ended up helping so much, that's the most fresh air that case has likely ever had. That 5600X should have better cooling if you're hitting mid 80's. I don't really like the PSU sitting at the top of the case where all the hot air ends up either because heat = bad. I would replace the case first and look into a better cooler later. There are some great high flow cases for as cheap as $50 US.

If you have room, I'd recommend moving to an ATX case with a lot more ventilation or if you're using a Micro-ATX motherboard and want to keep the case small, at least run a Micro-ATX case with more venting. There are several Micro-ATX cases that can accommodate decently large CPU coolers as well. Also run as many fans as the case allows. With higher ambient temps and humidity where you live, the sooner you can move new air in and exhaust the old air the better. I generally recommend two front fans pulling air in and two up top pulling the hot air out the top. If there is a spot for a rear fan, use it as well to help the CPU cooler do it's job. I also tend to suggest ditching any SSD cages and just mount the SSDs in other locations as cages are a huge blockage for airflow. It's really easy to properly relocate an SSD just about anywhere in the case.

Try an experiment. Take the side panel right off and if you have one, point a regular house fan directly into the case at full blast and see if that affects temps and by how much. If you see a massive drop, you know for certain the case is the problem. If you have the case wide open with a house fan blowing air at it and it still runs hot you might have bigger problems.

 

[Soodanim]

I posted before about wanting an m2 drive, but I've since learned about the apparent lack of speed difference when it comes to running games from them compared to SATA SSDs.

Is what I've heard about game load times true?
If so, would I be fine getting something like a Crucial MX500 (SATA)?
Down the line am I likely to be more limited by having a SATA SSD for games instead of my original plan of going for an m2/NVME?
I'm not doing any heavy drive work, so games are the heaviest lifting the drive will do.

 

[BusierDonkey]

I posted before about wanting an m2 drive, but I've since learned about the apparent lack of speed difference when it comes to running games from them compared to SATA SSDs.

Is what I've heard about game load times true?
If so, would I be fine getting something like a Crucial MX500 (SATA)?
Down the line am I likely to be more limited by having a SATA SSD for games instead of my original plan of going for an m2/NVME?
I'm not doing any heavy drive work, so games are the heaviest lifting the drive will do.

Right now the cost difference isn't worth it IMO, but if you can find an NVMe SSD within 10% of the equivalent size SATA SSD grab it and fill that m.2 slot. When I got my 970 EVO drive it was on sale at right around the same price as an 860 EVO. The difference the NVMe makes in games is not worth %50 more. Where the NVMe drive excels is in moving large chunks of info.

You need to keep in mind, during loading screens the game isn't just loading data. The game is setting up and initializing things like NPCs and setting up engine-related things like the game physics. There will always likely be an initial load screen even once SSDs become 4 times as fast as the current drives as games become more complex. There will also be games designed to load quickly that will benefit from more speed but I haven't seen any games that require an NVMe drive yet. I say all this despite having one. I jumped in early after experiencing the jump from HDDs to a SATA SSD. Still high on that initial rush I saw the figures for the new NVMe drive and assumed there would be a similar increase.

Spoiler

So decide for yourself if the difference shown is worth the extra money. I've had just about the same results. Very few games show a noticeable difference. There is a difference, it's just as big as the numbers suggest, at least so far.





This video shows the difference between Gen 4 and Gen 3 NVMe drives as well.


The difference going from an HDD to a SATA SSD in games right now is pretty insignificant. Will that change? Who knows? I do notice a difference playing an extremely modded Fallout 4, where I was running a lot of 8K textures. In current games the SATA SSDs are more than up to it and are cheaper. The biggest plus to m.2 drives right now is that they mount directly to the mobo without cables which is real nifty. When I replace my mobo I'll run more m.2 drives for that reason alone. You can always get an M.2 drive later on to fill that slot when prices become more reasonable.

TL;DR:

Get one if a few seconds of loading here and there are worth the extra cost. The format is easy to install and future games might show more of a difference. Otherwise a SATA SSD is plenty fast in current games.

 

[Soodanim]

Right now the cost difference isn't worth it IMO, but if you can find an NVMe SSD within 10% of the equivalent size SATA SSD grab it and fill that m.2 slot. When I got my 970 EVO drive it was on sale at right around the same price as an 860 EVO. The difference the NVMe makes in games is not worth %50 more. Where the NVMe drive excels is in moving large chunks of info.

You need to keep in mind, during loading screens the game isn't just loading data. The game is setting up and initializing things like NPCs and setting up engine-related things like the game physics. There will always likely be an initial load screen even once SSDs become 4 times as fast as the current drives as games become more complex. There will also be games designed to load quickly that will benefit from more speed but I haven't seen any games that require an NVMe drive yet. I say all this despite having one. I jumped in early after experiencing the jump from HDDs to a SATA SSD. Still high on that initial rush I saw the figures for the new NVMe drive and assumed there would be a similar increase.

Spoiler

So decide for yourself if the difference shown is worth the extra money. I've had just about the same results. Very few games show a noticeable difference. There is a difference, it's just as big as the numbers suggest, at least so far.





This video shows the difference between Gen 4 and Gen 3 NVMe drives as well.


The difference going from an HDD to a SATA SSD in games right now is pretty insignificant. Will that change? Who knows? I do notice a difference playing an extremely modded Fallout 4, where I was running a lot of 8K textures. In current games the SATA SSDs are more than up to it and are cheaper. The biggest plus to m.2 drives right now is that they mount directly to the mobo without cables which is real nifty. When I replace my mobo I'll run more m.2 drives for that reason alone. You can always get an M.2 drive later on to fill that slot when prices become more reasonable.

TL;DR:

Get one if a few seconds of loading here and there are worth the extra cost. The format is easy to install and future games might show more of a difference. Otherwise a SATA SSD is plenty fast in current games.

Right now I can order a 1TB SATA MX500 for £80, with the closest NVMe drive being the1TB Sabrent Rocket (TLC, Gen3) at £93. I'd have to get an adapter for my old mobo, so an adapter is another ~£15. SATA seems to be the way to go for now, right?

I'm still curious about how DirectStorage will affect things going forward, but I'm planning on building an entire new rig in a year or two so I suppose it will be better to evaluate the situation then. Prices may well come down by then, too, or at least speeds may go up.