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[James Sawyer Ford]

Did you actually read his post or are you just there to argue for the hell of it? Where did I imply agreeing with this?



I don't think it looks sterile. I don't think it lacks artistic vision. I don't think it's overhyped. I think the RT tradeoff is worth it. I disagree with almost everything he said and you go, "bu bu but you agree with him." I even said, "the futuristic art direction looks wonderful," whereas he says it looks sterile. Did you gloss over that part?

If you wanna pull a gotcha moment, learn to read first.

You didn't read my post.

Nowhere did I claim CP was a bad looking game. I claimed that aspects hold it back from being the gaphics king, and that other games looked better. You then went on a diatribe and whataboutism by listing other games I happen to like more, as if that is somehow an inconceivable conclusion.

Yet you went into full rage mode of course because you had to defend the honor of your tribe, as if making some criticisms to CP was a slight against your platform of choice.

 

[Gaiff]

You didn't read my post.

I did and it's full of nonsense.

Nowhere did I claim CP was a bad looking game. I claimed that aspects hold it back from being the gaphics king, and that other games looked better. You then went on a diatribe and whataboutism by listing other games I happen to like more, as if that is somehow an inconceivable conclusion.

That's perfectly fine not to think it's the best-looking game. I don't even think it is. Alan Wake 2 looks better (another unimpressive game according to you). However, coming from you whose only shtick is to shit up PC threads and make a sweeping statement such as "the RT tradeoff isn't worth it" when you have no means of toggling on or off is comical, especially since the OP has a mid-tier GPU and plays it just fine. Won't stop you from claiming you need a $2500 GPU to play it and then act innocent when you get called out on your bullshit.

Yet you went into full rage mode of course because you had to defend the honor of your tribe, as if making some criticisms to CP was a slight against your platform of choice.

Please, half the people in this thread shit on you because we know who you are.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I did and it's full of nonsense.

Like what?

I can easily say the tradeoff to RT isn't worth it, because those resources could have gone into making the geometry of the city and NPCs better. You apparently have no imagination on how those extra resources could be used.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Did you actually read his post or are you just there to argue for the hell of it? Where did I imply agreeing with this?

I don't think it looks sterile. I don't think it lacks artistic vision. I don't think it's overhyped. I think the RT tradeoff is worth it. I disagree with almost everything he said and you go, "bu bu but you agree with him." I even said, "the futuristic art direction looks wonderful," whereas he says it looks sterile. Did you gloss over that part?

If you wanna pull a gotcha moment, learn to read first.

This was your actual response to him:

I love console gamers who have never played the game maxed out on PC talk shit about it. It’s also worth the tradeoff if you have the hardware, but you don’t, so what do you even know?

As for OP, it’s a great-looking game, but stuff like Alan Wake 2 has decidedly surpassed it. GTA 6 should also be a cut above, especially on PC. The futuristic art direction and neon-futuristic style is wonderful though.

So you made a shitty condescending PC master race jibe at him, claiming he doesn't know what he's talking about. They you went on to agree that GTA will surpass Cyberpunk.

That was precisely Jame's point. Cyberpunk is not the graphics king and games like GTA6 will surpass it.

You claimed he didn't know what he was saying but you agreed with his main point about Cyberpunk not being the pinnacle of real-time graphics. So you agree he actually does know what he's talking about.

His specific comments about Cyberpunk graphics are his own subjective assessment. It's silly for you to argue that he's objectively wrong about that. It's subjective and that's his opinion. They best you can do it disagree. So your juvenile PC master race comment makes you look really puerile.

 

[Bojji]

This was your actual response to him:



So you made a shitty condescending PC master race jibe at him, claiming he doesn't know what he's talking about. They you went on to agree that GTA will surpass Cyberpunk.

That was precisely Jame's point. Cyberpunk is not the graphics king and games like GTA6 will surpass it.

You claimed he didn't know what he was saying but you agreed with his main point about Cyberpunk not being the pinnacle of real-time graphics. So you agree he actually does know what he's talking about.

His specific comments about Cyberpunk graphics are his own subjective assessment. It's silly for you to argue that he's objectively wrong about that. It's subjective and that's his opinion. They best you can do it disagree. So your juvenile PC master race comment makes you look really puerile.

We can talk about GTA6 superiority when it's released. Right now it's in development and who knows when it will release.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's silly for you to argue that he's objectively wrong about that. It's subjective and that's his opinion. They best you can do it disagree. So your juvenile PC master race comment makes you look really puerile.

Yep. And then he went on to list a bunch of Sony games to continue his PC platform warrior rant. Those same Sony games can be played on PC, and if you have the right hardware, better than can be played on console. So I don't understand his point in bringing them up.

Like, is it really that unheard of that I would think Demons Souls looks better than Cyberpunk? Graphics are not just about settings, it's the combination of Art + technical that creates the composite image that you have to find appealing and compelling. Cyberpunk just doesn't have an aesthetic that I find to be peak form. I have even heard people claim RDR2 looks better, and that game is ancient, but I am inclined to agree because so many aspects look hand crafted in that game whereas on CP many of its assets just look cookie cutter.

 

[Gaiff]

This was your actual response to him:



So you made a shitty condescending PC master race jibe at him, claiming he doesn't know what he's talking about. They you went on to agree that GTA will surpass Cyberpunk.

That was precisely Jame's point. Cyberpunk is not the graphics king and games like GTA6 will surpass it.

You just love digging yourself in a hole and argue even though you’ve been completely debunked. Are you going to self-own again like you did in the other thread and write "sunrise" instead of "summarize" and construct your points so poorly that you have to make mental gymnastics to make them make sense?

His post makes several points. I disagree with almost all of them. Yet here you are glossing over the absolutely ridiculous claims he made (which I took issue with) and go, "hur hur, but you agree about GTA." as if it somehow erased everything else I vehemently disagreed with.

So you agree he actually does know what he's talking about.

No, I don't lol.

His specific comments about Cyberpunk graphics are his own subjective assessment. It's silly for you to argue that he's objectively wrong about that. It's subjective and that's his opinion. They best you can do it disagree. So your juvenile PC master race comment makes you look really puerile.

Nonsense.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

His post makes several points. I disagree with almost all of them. Yet here you are glossing over the absolutely ridiculous claims he made (which I took issue with) and go, "hur hur, but you agree about GTA." as if it somehow erased everything else I vehemently disagreed with.

You still can't even list the "ridiculous" claims I made.

 

[Gaiff]

Yep. And then he went on to list a bunch of Sony games to continue his PC platform warrior rant. Those same Sony games can be played on PC, and if you have the right hardware, better than can be played on console. So I don't understand his point in bringing them up.

Now, that's just rich. Imagine pretending to be an honest poster with claims such as this:

That's why you spend $2500 on a card so you can say you enabled a setting.

When OP has a $500-600 GPU, but sure, let's go ahead and pretend you're being objective and unbiased in a thread praising the visuals on PC.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Now, that's just rich. Imagine pretending to be an honest poster with claims such as this:



When OP has a $500-600 GPU, but sure, let's go ahead and pretend you're being objective and unbiased in a thread praising the visuals on PC.

I was talking to you, not the OP, with that reply, after you starting raging out about my opinion that CP is not peak graphics.

 

[gatti-man]

Looks somewhat sterile and lacks a lot of artistic vision in many places. Not bad, but GTA destroys it.

I think it's overhyped honestly. The RT stuff is very taxing and like many implementations not worth the tradeoff.

This post is so record settingly ignorant and exactly why no one should take you seriously about PC anything ever.

 

[gatti-man]

Somehow, only PC games NEED to be played to make any sort of judgment call. That's HOW ELITE THEY ARE. Meanwhile, I can easily spot amazing looking games with compressed footage. Cyberpunk doesn't impress. Not with path tracing. Not with ray tracing. The character models and environments leave a lot to be desired. But continue melting down over someone having a different opinion than you. Games aren't the sum of all the "next gen demanding features they have".

Insecure PC gamer: has to bring up a separate game to somehow prove his point and fan his inner warrior mode. Those $2500 PC GPUs come with an additional cost of turning you into a snob.

Want a crown to make you happy?

This is honestly pathetic. Probably the most salty, jealous, small brained console fan take on a PC version of a game. Like seek help.

If you haven’t actually seen what we are talking about why word vomit your clearly baseless opinion everywhere? But he’s the insecure one right?

 

[Gaiff]

I was talking to you, not the OP, with that reply, after you starting raging out about my opinion that CP is not peak graphics.

Changes nothing. You don’t need a $2500 GPU to enjoy this game’s graphics. This is the usual console troll lazy response when it comes to PC gaming. Make up some outlandish price as if top-tier GPUs were the only ones that could run games.

If it were just that, I wouldn’t have even called you out, but between your "Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon FW flopped on PC", "Rebirth won’t sell on PC", and your constant bitching about a platform you don’t own or care for, you seriously need help.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If it were just that, I wouldn’t have even called you out, but between your "Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon FW flopped on PC", "Rebirth won’t sell on PC", and your constant bitching about a platform you don’t own or care for, you seriously need help.

Pointing out facts isn't bitching. It's not like I'm claiming PC isn't a fine, viable platform for those that prefer the strengths/tradeoffs it offers.

My comment about the $2500 was just a snide remark after you starting raging about my opinion on CP not really being the best pinnacle showcase. To be fair, I am not sure if I would list any game to be head and shoulders above others, I think there are tons of great looking games with their own pros/cons.

 

[Madflavor]

The huge bootlicking fanboys are all very present in this thread that like to dog pile posters that simply disagree with the assertion that a single game is the graphics king just because it has path tracing and can only be played on a $2500 GPU.

Just close your eyes and pretend it's a Naughty Dog thread so you can join us in our glazing.

 

[Gaiff]

Pointing out facts isn't bitching. It's not like I'm claiming PC isn't a fine, viable platform for those that prefer the strengths/tradeoffs it offers.

But they aren't facts and you need to stop pretending that they are. You don't have the sales data for GOT or FW on PC, so how do you know they flopped? On the flip side, SE a few months ago said the sales of some FF games on PS5 were disappointing, but you were there arguing they weren't despite SE telling us otherwise. You did the same shit for Halo Infinite, claiming the game had a $500M budget. When we asked you for a source, you didn't have any. Then Colin Moriarty said Concord's budget was $400M and you asked for receipts. You're always on those double standards and biased-as-hell stances. When Sony comes out and say the sales are disappointing or when we have numbers and they're bad, go wild. You're constantly trying to shit on PC and other platforms but will make the most outlandish claims to defend Sony. When you get called out on it, you play innocent and accuse us of ganging up on you.

Come on, man.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But they aren't facts and you need to stop pretending that they are. You don't have the sales data for GOT or FW on PC, so how do you know they flopped? On the flip side, SE a few months ago said the sales of some FF games on PS5 were disappointing, but you were there arguing they weren't despite SE telling us otherwise. You did the same shit for Halo Infinite, claiming the game had a $500M budget. When we asked you for a source, you didn't have any. Then Colin Moriarty said Concord's budget was $400M and you asked for receipts. You're always on those double standards and biased-as-hell stances. When Sony comes out and say the sales are disappointing or when we have numbers and they're bad, go wild. You're constantly trying to shit on PC and other platforms but will make the most outlandish claims to defend Sony. When you get called out on it, you play innocent and accuse us of ganging up on you.

Come on, man.

Correction: Square recently came out (as of last week) and said that their sales on PS5 were NOT disappointing, but that they would not justify being exclusive.

GoT sales on PC just don't seem to be all that massive based on concurrent users. The leaked sales data we have from Insomniac shows PC generates a very tiny amount of revenue. I guess if you're a penny pincher, these ports still have a positive ROI, I am just a little more unsure about the negative impact on their overall ecosystem as a result of it though.

Uhm, my source on Halo Infinite's budget was HeisenbergFX4 and he has stated that it was enormous, much more than any of us imagine. I dunno if I definitively said it WAS $500M, only that I would not be surprised.

 

[FeralEcho]

I love console gamers who have never played the game maxed out on PC talk shit about it. It’s also worth the tradeoff if you have the hardware, but you don’t, so what do you even know?

As for OP, it’s a great-looking game, but stuff like Alan Wake 2 has decidedly surpassed it. GTA 6 should also be a cut above, especially on PC. The futuristic art direction and neon-futuristic style is wonderful though.

I love pc gamers who get butthurt over people having an opinion, I can get direct footage like the OP posted. It’s not some big mystery

It’s not that impressive

I love fanboys of both console and PC space who argue over the most childish and trivial shit they can find about eachother in an attempt to give more meaning to their preffered purchase.

Keep'em coming:

 

[Gamer79]

Op plays this game on GPU <600$

And gets a stable 60+ fps. Dlss Quality from 1440p with frame generation is a game changer. I played through the ps5 version of cyberpunk and can say with no fanboy angle that the PC version is a generation ahead of the ps5 version.

 

[FeralEcho]

Cyberpunk does look glorious in path tracing but whether the performance tradeoff is worth it or not depends on each user.

I personally prefer getting the best looking version rather than more fps.

If only devs were more talented to optimize their games properly like they once did in the past maybe we'd have more of this but nowadays devs can barely release functioning games at launch let alone optimize them.

 

[BennyBlanco]

GoT sales on PC just don't seem to be all that massive based on concurrent users.

I will again remind you that GoT was #1 on NPDs for the month it released on PC. Flop? Just say you’re mad that these games are no longer exclusives.

 

[Gaiff]

Correction: Square recently came out (as of last week) and said that their sales on PS5 were NOT disappointing, but that they would not justify being exclusive.

They said that like two weeks ago. Before that, they said the sales did not meet their expectations. See what I'm saying? When the news was negative for PlayStation, it wasn't true. Now that the news isn't so bad, you run with it.

GoT sales on PC just don't seem to be all that massive based on concurrent users.

It has the highest peak of any single player game published by Sony on PC. It was also coincidentally #1 or top 5 in the NPD chart when it released on PC.

The leaked sales data we have from Insomniac shows PC generates a very tiny amount of revenue.

Compared to PS, of course it does. The games up until Spider-Man 2 took a whole 2 years to get ported. GOT took almost 4 years. The leak also revealed that those ports are cheap-as-hell costing in the low millions in the case of Rift Apart. This port required an entire studio, yet it was less than $3M. GOWR was ported mainly by a team of four guys with assistance from Sony's other studios. If GOT is like any of those games, then it more than likely more than recouped its budget and has been extremely profitable.

I guess if you're a penny pincher, these ports still have a positive ROI, I am just a little more unsure about the negative impact on their overall ecosystem as a result of it though.

Yeah, those diminishing sales aren't happening. They began those ports 4 years ago and they had 0 impact on the PlayStation consoles.

I don't even dislike you as a poster and even enjoyed some of our discussion, but when it comes to PlayStation, you can't be objective at all.

Anyway, enough of the off-topic stuff.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I will again remind you that GoT was #1 on NPDs for the month it released on PC. Flop? Just say you’re mad that these games are no longer exclusives.

In the weakest month of releases for the entire year.

I'm not mad these games aren't exclusive, I really don't care, but I don't see it moving the needle enough to justify the potential hit to their ecosystem.

 

[Optimus Lime]

I really don't care

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Correction: Square recently came out (as of last week) and said that their sales on PS5 were NOT disappointing, but that they would not justify being exclusive.

GoT sales on PC just don't seem to be all that massive based on concurrent users. The leaked sales data we have from Insomniac shows PC generates a very tiny amount of revenue. I guess if you're a penny pincher, these ports still have a positive ROI, I am just a little more unsure about the negative impact on their overall ecosystem as a result of it though.

Uhm, my source on Halo Infinite's budget was HeisenbergFX4 and he has stated that it was enormous, much more than any of us imagine. I dunno if I definitively said it WAS $500M, only that I would not be surprised.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

But they aren't facts and you need to stop pretending that they are. You don't have the sales data for GOT or FW on PC, so how do you know they flopped? On the flip side, SE a few months ago said the sales of some FF games on PS5 were disappointing, but you were there arguing they weren't despite SE telling us otherwise. You did the same shit for Halo Infinite, claiming the game had a $500M budget. When we asked you for a source, you didn't have any. Then Colin Moriarty said Concord's budget was $400M and you asked for receipts. You're always on those double standards and biased-as-hell stances. When Sony comes out and say the sales are disappointing or when we have numbers and they're bad, go wild. You're constantly trying to shit on PC and other platforms but will make the most outlandish claims to defend Sony. When you get called out on it, you play innocent and accuse us of ganging up on you.

Come on, man.

Btw I had an amazing source for his claim and it was higher than 500 for Halo

 

[Alex11]

I don't think it still is the most impressive game visually, but saying it isn't impressive, even from screens, it's a bit too much.
If it's the style, color, etc., then yeah, sure, ok, there are different tastes, opinions and all that.

What is impressive to me, it's the fact that it's an open world with day/night cycle and experiencing the light bouncing, changes and accurate colors in real time is amazing.
There are other games with better texture/assets, they have either fixed TOD or if open world, the lighting breaks down, I can think of SW Outlaws that does the same as CP in terms of lighting, maybe better, not sure.

 

[Zathalus]

GoT sales on PC just don't seem to be all that massive based on concurrent users. The leaked sales data we have from Insomniac shows PC generates a very tiny amount of revenue. I guess if you're a penny pincher, these ports still have a positive ROI, I am just a little more unsure about the negative impact on their overall ecosystem as a result of it though.

Really? Zero Dawn had a peak concurrent count of 56k and sold 3.3 million copies on PC over a period a little less than 2 years. That number was from the Insomniac leak. Game is probably close to 5 million by now, considering it is over 2 years later. GoT peaked at 77k concurrent by comparison and has better review scores, better word of mouth, and launched in a far better state. It’s going to sell millions over the next few years. Looking at the known port costs it works out to almost 99% pure profit. These ports are bringing Sony hundreds of millions a year. Enough to fund a brand new AAA game every single year, not bad for some old ports that cost them next to nothing.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

It got the cyberpunk look down to a science. I don't see how this schmuck can complain about the art direction and call it sterile when it's one of the most visually stylized AAA games on the market.

I find the game to be very visually inconsistent. At times it looks great, and other times it looks very dated. It seems to look better in screenshots that I remember playing maxed out.

 

[Gaiff]

I find the game to be very visually inconsistent. At times it looks great, and other times it looks very dated. It seems to look better in screenshots that I remember playing maxed out.

It's an open-world game. Given their huge size, all of them are visually inconsistent to some extent. The one game I find has almost no blemish is RDR2.

 

[ArtHands]

My profile pic comes from the console version of the game

 

[Turk1993]

Its still one of the best looking game out there. Just some low quality textures here and there won't make this game inconsistent. almost every game has those, especially open world games.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Looks somewhat sterile and lacks a lot of artistic vision in many places. Not bad, but GTA destroys it.

I think it's overhyped honestly. The RT stuff is very taxing and like many implementations not worth the tradeoff.

Lmao i stopped at gta kills it lmfao

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

This thread really highlights who are the infants on the forum and who aren't.

"You need a $2500 GPU to truly enjoy CP2077"

Lol, sure Jan. Make sure not to trip on your own epeen, it's so huge.

Most of you are arguing bullishly over what looks better than what as if it's some objective quantity. It's not, geniuses!!!

It's subjective.

If you can't cope with the fact that some posters will disagree with your opinion about what looks better than what, then you really need to take a step back from the forum and reevaluate your life. You're reasoning like a child and that speaks of stunted emotional development, for real.

 

[Gaiff]

Lmao i stopped at gta kills it lmfao

He meant GTA 6, not 5 lol.

 

[Thebonehead]

This thread really highlights who are the infants on the forum and who aren't.

Partially correct. It exposes infantile insecure fanboys that have terrible takes.

"You need a $2500 GPU to truly enjoy CP2077"

Lol, sure Jan. Make sure not to trip on your own epeen, it's so huge.

It also exposes those with poor reading comprehension.

You jumped straight into white knighting James Sawyer Ford , defending his besmirched honour. What you failed to realise was that he was the one that brought up the $2500 figure in 4 posts before admitting it was a facetious remark designed to promote ire.

No one was flexing at all. What a fucking genius you are

 

[mckmas8808]

I think it is but it becomes subjective at some point. It's for sure in top 5.

It's like Crysis, still looks very good on original max settings few years later (and even better with PT).



We will see how 9070XT performs in PT, if it's still poor then IMO there is not much hope for 2027/28 console GPU to have enough power for it:

When is the 9070XT expected to release?

 

[Gamer79]

Like what?

I can easily say the tradeoff to RT isn't worth it, because those resources could have gone into making the geometry of the city and NPCs better. You apparently have no imagination on how those extra resources could be used.

In this game it is. It makes a dramatic difference

 

[Bojji]

When is the 9070XT expected to release?

Latest rumors point to February.

I expect paper launches both from Nvidia and AMD.

 

[Gamer79]

This thread really highlights who are the infants on the forum and who aren't.

"You need a $2500 GPU to truly enjoy CP2077"

Lol, sure Jan. Make sure not to trip on your own epeen, it's so huge.

Most of you are arguing bullishly over what looks better than what as if it's some objective quantity. It's not, geniuses!!!

It's subjective.

If you can't cope with the fact that some posters will disagree with your opinion about what looks better than what, then you really need to take a step back from the forum and reevaluate your life. You're reasoning like a child and that speaks of stunted emotional development, for real.

Fun Fact:

My GPU I found on ebay like new in the box for $445 shipped! For those people saying you need "a $2000 card are just being silly or uninformed. With my sub $500 card and my sub $200 i5 -13600KF my framerate never drops below 60fps with almost everything including path ray tracing max at 1440p with DLSS Quality and Frame Generation on. The game feels silky smooth and I feel 0 input lag. The Visuals of this game and others with a decent rig are spectacular.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Demon's Souls Remake:
Tower of Latria, Land of the Queens Ivory Tower from start to finish on the PS5 Pro is the pinnacle to me.

 

[Gamer79]

Demon's Souls Remake:
Tower of Latria, Land of the Queens Ivory Tower from start to finish on the PS5 Pro is the pinnacle to me.

I hate From Software games myself but good for you.

 

[mckmas8808]

Latest rumors point to February.

I expect paper launches both from Nvidia and AMD.

What do you mean by a paper launch?

 

[Cramoss]

Seeing the game running with full Path tracing was something else, man. Everything being affected by multiple light sources the way it should actually be is something I've yet to see again and I'm not even talking about the reflections.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I hate From Software games myself but good for you.

From Software games over CDPR games is good for me.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

I have a 4090 and like running around toggling path tracing on and off to see the difference, but being honest, it's a lot like those modern "drawings" which look like a black and white photo of someone's face. It's so hyper realistic that it supercedes the uncanny valley and goes straight to some cold and sterile place. I miss the days of Crysis, FEAR, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, GTA IV, etc. Those were to me when gaming visuals had the perfect combination of art design and technological prowess.

 

[Bojji]

What do you mean by a paper launch?

Low supplies at launch. Bunch of cards for reviewers and not much for consumers, prices will be high and availability low for first few months (they will have enough GPUs at some point).

Quite few GPUs in recent years were launched like that. But of course time will tell.