I plan on doing a diet that simply involves not eating.

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This is a great plan if you want to lose your health (such as it is) at the same time you're losing weight. I suggest limiting your liquid intake to three cups per week to hasten the process. Stay away from water, unless you add salt to it. Do you live near an ocean? Or you could try extra strong espresso instead.
 
And it should. You need ~120g of carbohydrates for operating your brain daily. If you do not get it from carbs, your body will simply break down the stored fat or the protein you take in, and manually convert it to glucose, but it WILL get it. It is not poison.

Yeah, this is for the first few days until your body adapts to not eating carbs. Then your body starts producing ketones which your brain will use for fuel gladly.

After this your body burns body fat and if you eat enough protein can convert that to glucose if needed. No need to tap into muscles protein.
 
And it should. You need ~120g of carbohydrates for operating your brain daily. If you do not get it from carbs, your body will simply break down the stored fat or the protein you take in, and manually convert it to glucose, but it WILL get it. It is not poison.

Edit: To clarify, white bread is still bullshit, as it is an equivalent of snapping yourself in the face, repeatedly. Hence the more fiber-full rye bread or full wheat bread options out there. Not a slap to the body, but a slow burning dose of fuel. And no constipation either.

No it's not a slow burning dose of fuel. Gi is basically exactly the same and fiber is not fuel at all. Your brain can easily get all the glucose it needs from breaking down protein....yes it's called gluconeogenesis...I've already discussed it in this thread.If you want to eat bread that's fine. It's not the devil. I eat bagels like erryday but I'm in shape and like them. If I was trying to lose weight while eating carbs....there's much better options.

Also your brain does not require 120g carbs to survive. It can also get energy from ketones and glycerol. You need to get 10g carbs per day from some source to make up the difference between the ketone bodies your brain can use and the glycerol that's created from your liver and the remaining deficit. On keto you will get at least 20g carbs per day from vegetables and trace amounts of carbs in almonds, cheese, etc.
 
I lost a fair bit of weight by cutting crisps out of my diet and doing an hour of elliptical machine (random intensity for maximum effect, oh god) a day. I thought it would be harder than it has been, not so bad now I'm in the routine though. I do allow myself the odd cheat day at the weekend if I want a pizza or whatever but that helps keep me sane. During the week I'm well behaved.
 
1. Learn to cook
2. Stop eating take-away
3.Do light excercise


Three incredibly small steps that'll set you on a better path than starving yourself to death with coca cola.
 
what is keto?

can anyone give a short summary of what you can and cannot eat under Keto?

Normally I don't like to link to reddit, but really the FAQ on the right side of the keto reddit is a really good primer:

reddit.com/r/keto

The diet is by any measure extremely restrictive, but while that doesn't work for some people it does provide a very simple structure for others to follow. If you're like me and generally rip through nearly one frozen bag of brocolli per day, love meat, and like things like guacamole, it's the easiest thing in the world to follow.

just watch out for the almonds. Almonds are the like the old-school devil, perfectly good food that is ridiculously easy to binge on.
 
Be sure to check in with us weekly on your progress. I'd like to see how far you can take this. FOR SCIENCE.

jk pls eat healthy and exercise, don't torture your body like this
 
I lost 10 pounds in less than a month just cutting out bread, cheese, chocolate and a few things here and there. But I am at the gym 5 days a week so that helps too.
 
As everyone has been stating OP, this wont work.

First youll be losing muscle (along with fat), and youll feel extremely tired.

What you really want to do is eat small meals often. What I do and has been working is:

  1. Breakfast: Protein Shake + Banana
  2. Brunch: .5 ounces of nuts
  3. Lunch: Anything that doesn't contain much carbs + (chicken, fish) + some veggies (salad, carrots, etc...)
  4. Linner: .5 ounces of nuts (usually almonds)
  5. Dinner: If i'm tired ill just do a protein shake, otherwise id have a small meal similar to my lunch

You don't have to follow this, its just an example. But if you really stop eating, your metabolism will slow down and it will be much harder to lose the weight. If you eat small meals often, your metabolism speeds up and you are naturally losing weight. Also remember 10 minutes of exercise is better than no minutes of exercise. its important to state that exercising should not only been done to lose weight, it should be done regularly. It keeps your blood flowing which is very important as we get older. best of luck , remember never to think you cant do it otherwise you'll eventually believe it.
 
Normally I don't like to link to reddit, but really the FAQ on the right side of the keto reddit is a really good primer:

reddit.com/r/keto

The diet is by any measure extremely restrictive, but while that doesn't work for some people it does provide a very simple structure for others to follow. If you're like me and generally rip through nearly one frozen bag of brocolli per day, love meat, and like things like guacamole, it's the easiest thing in the world to follow.

just watch out for the almonds. Almonds are the like the old-school devil, perfectly good food that is ridiculously easy to binge on.

ketosis is an extreme, not a norm
The epileptic patients put on these diets are under constant doctor supervision.

Another aspect of the low-carb diets worth commenting on is the phenomenon known as ketosis. Although our bodies can burn fat and protein for energy, glucose is the primary fuel of cells. Our brains are especially dependent upon a steady supply of glucose for energy, and this is why we need to maintain a certain blood glucose level for optimal health. We cannot convert fat or protein into glucose, and therefore must consume a certain amount of carbohydrates in order to meet the body’s needs. If the cells in our body are starved of carbohydrates then they produce proteins known as ketones and burn the ketones as an emergency substitute for glucose. This leads to a build up of ketones in the blood, a metabolic state known as ketosis.
Diabetics can go into ketosis, not because they are starved of glucose but because of insulin dysfunction, preventing adequate transport of glucose from the blood into cells. So even though there is plenty of glucose around, the cells can’t get access to it and must rely upon ketones for quick energy. Another way to achieve ketosis, however, is to simply deprive the body of carbohydrates. The Atkins diet recommends decreasing carbohydrate intake to less than 20% of total calories, which is low enough to cause ketosis, and this is, in fact, the goal. Some more extreme low-carb diets call for total carbohydrate intake of 5% or less.

Ketosis is generally considered to be an unhealthy metabolic state. Ketones are acidic, and high levels of ketones in the blood therefore lead to another metabolic state known as acidosis. One side effect of ketoacidosis is a decrease in hunger, and that is likely a major contributor to the apparent short-term weight loss that low-carb dieters experience.

http://www.theness.com/index.php/the-skeptics-diet/
 
It can lead ketoacidodis, he doesn't say ketosis=ketoacidosis
he is also a neurologist and his credentials are easily available.
Plus, a lot proponents of the diet have a person go through ”carb flu” which I dont see the benefit of. If you are boing on that strict of a diet that when you go outside of if just for one meal and have negative consequences, how is that beneficial?

How is it beneficial to ignore the expertise of people in nutrition, oncology, and biology? Is it an e-peen issue for you guys?
 
It can lead ketoacidodis, he doesn't say ketosis=ketoacidosis
he is also a neurologist and his credentials are easily available.
Plus, a lot proponents of the diet have a person go through ”carb flu” which I dont see the benefit of. If you are boing on that strict of a diet that when you go outside of if just for one meal and have negative consequences, how is that beneficial?

How is it beneficial to ignore the expertise of people in nutrition, oncology, and biology? Is it an e-peen issue for you guys?

It's like you ignore every actual scientific study posted and just post some crap doctor's flawed understanding.

You cannot do keto if you are type I diabetic because you can experience ketoacidosis. Anyone else will not get it. There are several feedback loops in your body to prevent this.

Primarily, high ketone blood concentrations stimulate insulin release which shuts down ketosis.

Your understanding of all this is highly flawed.

It is beneficial to ignore "supposed" expertise because they have been proven wrong on almost everything nutrition related, such as high fat diets causing high cholesterol.

There are plenty of actual SCIENTIFIC studies on Keto at this point. There is no need to listen to some doctor stuck in the 70s or 80s.
 
I dont recommend it. I was fat before, but I never did this to get thinner. I was very stressed/depressed

I had episodes of me not wanting to eat or eating the same exact thing for a long period of time. In fact sometimes eating makes me want to vomit and makes my tummy hurt. Before I looked emaciated. Plus I was running on top of it. It was very quick as well.

Later on, my classmated asked if I had cancer.....yeah.

Now Im so much better, but I look skinny fat. My collar bone, shoulders protrudes like crazy. But I am not toned. So Im drinking chocolate milk smooties and ate like crazy this past two weeks. People have said I look better now. That my face is less sunken now.

Thanks fitness gaf :)
 
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"There is frequent confusion between the dietary ketosis seen during a ketogenic diet and the pathological and potentially fatal state of diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA). DKA occurs only in Type I diabetes, a disease characterized by a defect in the pancreas, whereby insulin cannot be
produced. Type I diabetics must take insulin injections to maintain normal blood glucose levels.

In diabetics who are without insulin for some time, a state that is similar to dietary ketosis begins to develop but with several differences.
Although both dietary ketosis and DKA are characterized by a low insulin/glucagon ratio, a non-diabetic individual will only develop ketosis with low blood glucose (below 80 mg/dl) while a Type I diabetic will develop ketosis with extremely high blood glucose levels (Type I diabetics may have blood glucose levels of 300 mg/dl or more) (12).
Additionally, the complete lack of insulin in Type I diabetics appears to further increase ketone body formation in these individuals. While a non-diabetic individual may produce 115-180 grams of ketones per day (4,16), Type I diabetics have been found to produce up to 400 grams of
ketones per day (22,23). The drop in blood pH seen in DKA is probably related to the overproduction of ketones under these circumstances (12).

This increase in ketone formation is coupled with an inability in the Type I diabetic to use ketones in body tissues (12). Presumably this occurs because blood glucose is present in adequate amounts making glucose the preferred fuel. Thus there is a situation where ketone body formation is high but ketone body utilization by the body is very low, causing a rapid buildup of ketones in the bloodstream.

Additionally, in non-diabetic individuals there are at least two feedback loops to prevent runaway ketoacidosis from occurring. When ketones reach high concentrations in the bloodstream (approximately 4-6 mmol), they stimulate a release of insulin (8,12). This increase in insulin has three major effects (24). First, it slows FFA release from the fat cell. Second, by raising the insulin/glucagon ratio, the rate of ketone body formation in the liver is decreased . Third, it increases the excretion of ketones into the urine. These three effects all serve to lower
blood ketone body concentration.

In addition to stimulating insulin release, ketones appear to have an impact directly on the fat cell, slowing FFA release (12,22). This would serve to limit FFA availability to the liver, slowing ketone body formation. Ultimately these two feedback loops prevent the non-diabetic individual from overproducing ketones since high ketone levels decrease ketone body formation.

Type I diabetics lack both of these feedback loops. Their inability to
release insulin from the pancreas prevents high ketone body levels from regulating their own production. The clinical treatment for DKA is insulin injection which rapidly shuts down ketone body formation in the liver, slows FFA release from fat cells, and pushes ketones out of the bloodstream (12).

Additionally, rehydration and electrolyte supplementation is necessary to correct for the effects of DKA (12). The feedback loops present in a non-insulin using individual will prevent metabolic ketosis from ever reaching the levels of runaway DKA (12). Table 2 compares the major differences between a normal diet, dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis."
 
What you really want to do is eat small meals often. What I do and has been working is:

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You don't have to follow this, its just an example. But if you really stop eating, your metabolism will slow down and it will be much harder to lose the weight. If you eat small meals often, your metabolism speeds up and you are naturally losing weight.

No, no, no, no and no.

I'm sorry but this is so wrong. It's one of those things that might seem logical to some but simply isn't true. You can't speed up your metabolism by eating more often and your metabolism won't slow down if you don't eat for a couple of hours.

Your metabolism starts to slow down only after you haven't eaten for over 72 hours so not eating for a couple of hours does nothing. Little fasting actually increases your metabolism a little.

More info here:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html
 
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