I plan on doing a diet that simply involves not eating.

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It doesn't work. Your metabolism just goes to shit. Your body will be in a kind of permanent "starvation mode" where it figures out how to live of the meagre calories you supply it. In the meantime you'll be tired, ill, irritable and pretty much chronically fatigued. The fastest way to lose weight is to simply eat around 1500-2000 calories a day for a prolonged time. I lost about 70lbs in 8 months that way once. Never felt like shit either.
 
What works for me in cutting food intake wasn't to starve myself, but to eat stuffs that make me feel full. I called it Bacon and Banana diet. :p

The only good way to lose weight is to go slow, do it gradually. Don't just starve yourself.
 
Why don't you try fasting?

Eat no more than 600 calories on any three days of the week.
The other four days you can eat what you like, within reason.

Much more safe, and also not outrageously difficult to keep doing, because not eating at all will make you just give up after a day or two.
 
If your concept of food that provides nutrients to stay alive, is composed by sandwiches and cereal, no wonder why you're obese.
 
did op mention how tall he was? and if you are really looking for some sort of crash diet, you can do a PSMF.

flippedb said:
If your concept of food that provides nutrients to stay alive, is composed by sandwiches and cereal, no wonder why you're obese.
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220lbs is obese?

someone help me then plz.
 
I'm sorry, but you are idiot OP.

We should give an over / under of when this fool will binge on fast food when he starts his diet. It's really not that hard to lose weight, but eat right and excise.
 
He's still gonna eat something each day, like a sandwich or a bowl of cereal. Plus drinking tea, coke, etc. It's not like he's gonna die, it's just a really shit and unhealthy diet.
 
Steamlord said:
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Bravo :p

Also OP, I am going to go against the grain here and tell you that this is a stupid idea that will only end in you hurting yourself, both physically and mentally. May I suggest that perhaps instead of eating a "worrying amount" of take away you consider eating a little less worrying an amount and add in a moderate (at first) amount of exercise. If you work full-time then a good idea is to look into preparing your meals a day in advance and bringing them to work with you as necessary. Ensure you get an adequate source of protein in your meals, none of this just-some-cereal crap. Drink water.

I realise you say you cannot cook but you are truly kidding yourself if you believe this to be an impossible barrier to eating well. Learning to cook simple and healthy meals is not very difficult and it is a skill that will be with you for a, hopefully long and healthy, lifetime.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.

Edit: Why the fuck did I just write this? You are not even looking for advice, you know you are taking a more difficult and less sensible route... why?
 
Go all veggie and only drink water... Hell just switching to regular food and only water would be enough. I don't get how working out 30 minutes to an hour is harder then constantly starving.
You can also try buying a bicycle and riding to and from work. Save on gas, get a workout, help the environment. That and only drinking water would be enough.
 
So your kind of fasting. I did it for a few weeks. Feels great but in the end you will just put the weight back on.
 
inHallways said:
Bravo :p

Also OP, I am going to go against the grain here and tell you that this is a stupid idea that will only end in you hurting yourself, both physically and mentally. May I suggest that perhaps instead of eating a "worrying amount" of take away you consider eating a little less worrying an amount and add in a moderate (at first) amount of exercise. If you work full-time then a good idea is to look into preparing your meals a day in advance and bringing them to work with you as necessary. Ensure you get an adequate source of protein in your meals, none of this just-some-cereal crap. Drink water.

I realise you say you cannot cook but you are truly kidding yourself if you believe this to be an impossible barrier to eating well. Learning to cook simple and healthy meals is not very difficult and it is a skill that will be with you for a, hopefully long and healthy, lifetime.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do.

Edit: Why the fuck did I just write this? You are not even looking for advice, you know you are taking a more difficult and less sensible route... why?
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Some men aren't looking for anything logical

They can't be bought bothered bullied or negotiated with

Some men

Just wanna watch themselves burn maddddd calories
 
Want to lose weight OP?

- Cut carbs completely
- Cut junk food completely
- Focus on protein, fat and veg.
- Do high intensity interval training
- eat less in general
 
I'm sure there's hundreds of people already who have beaten me to saying how incredibly unhealthy your plan is. But given that you smoke, it doesn't seem like you care that much for your health. Good luck!
 
I am now fasting for 3 days every month. It works very well. It kinda resets my sensibility to the food, it makes me crave for healthy food. After 3 days of water fasting the last thing you want is a Mars bar.
Also you get the extra detox effects of fasting.


The OP is a troll, sandwiches and cereals is pretty much what makes america fat. Startch is cheap and adictive. Fats alone or with protein are not bad at all, but when mixed with starch it is like a bomb.
 
blackflag said:
More broscience "bro"

Edit: Sorry, I shouldn't be so abrupt. Studies show that High protein intake doesn't cause an issue unless there are pre-existing renal issues.
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It can lead to kidney stones are other signs of early really signs of renal damage.
That's according to American Heart Association and the American Diabetic Associatio.
 
Bidermaier said:
I am now fasting for 3 days every month. It works very well. It kinda resets my sensibility to the food, it makes me crave for healthy food. After 3 days of water fasting the last thing you want is a Mars bar.
Also you get the extra detox effects of fasting.


The OP is a troll, sandwiches and cereals is pretty much what makes america fat. Startch is cheap and adictive. Fats alone or with protein are not bad at all, but when mixed with starch it is like a bomb.
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Overeating of those "cereals" +not enough exercise + drinking an ordinate amount of sodas+ lack of access to doctors and other experts + social and economics + mainstream food ignorance= the obesity problem.

It's a simple issue and any one says it is hasn't really looked at the data and experts of the field.


Your body detoxes pretty efficiency, if you are healthy.
 
ClassyPenguin said:
It can lead to kidney stones are other signs of early really signs of renal damage.
That's according to American Heart Association and the American Diabetic Associatio.
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There's no studies that show that a high protein intake is detrimental in healthy people. Stop getting your information from garbage sources. A high protein intake is necessary to preserve metabolic rate during and after a prolonged caloric deficit.
 
Srsly said:
There's no studies that show that a high protein intake is detrimental in healthy people. Stop getting your information from garbage sources. A high protein intake is necessary to preserve metabolic rate during and after a prolonged caloric deficit.
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So the authorities of Diabetes and Heart disease in the US are garbage sources now?

How bout you show the ones proving that they are beneficial in more than normal amounts?
 
ClassyPenguin said:
So the authorities of Diabetes and Heart disease in the US are garbage sources now?

How bout you show the ones proving that they are beneficial in more than normal amounts?
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You realize that people with Diabetes often have impaired renal function (although excess protein is really only a problem in someone with advanced diabetes.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25

Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function.
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http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v30/n3s/abs/0803487a.html

Body-weight management requires a multifactorial approach. Recent findings suggest that an elevated protein intake seems to play a key role herein, through (i) increased satiety related to increased diet-induced thermogenesis; (ii) its effect on thermogenesis; (iii) body composition; and (iv) decreased energy-efficiency, all of which are related to protein metabolism. Supported by these mechanisms, relatively larger weight loss and subsequent stronger body-weight maintenance have been observed. Increased insulin sensitivity may appear, but it is unclear whether this is due to weight loss or type of diet. The phenomenon of increased satiety is utilized in reduced energy-intake diets, mainly in the ad libitum condition, whereby sustained satiety is achieved with sustained absolute protein intake in grams, despite lower energy intake. Elevated thermogenesis and glucagon-like peptide-1 (GLP-1) appear to play a role in high-protein induced satiety. Under conditions of weight maintenance, a high-protein diet shows a reduced energy efficiency related to the body composition of the body weight regained, that is, in favor of fat-free mass. Indeed, during body-weight loss, as well as during weight regain, a high-protein diet preserves or increases fat-free mass and reduces fat mass and improves the metabolic profile. In the short-term this may be supported by a positive protein and a negative fat balance, through increased fat oxidation. As protein intake is studied under various states of energy balance, absolute and relative protein intake needs to be discriminated. In absolute grams, a normal protein diet becomes a relatively high-protein diet in negative energy balance and at weight maintenance. Therefore, 'high protein negative energy balance diets' aim to keep the grams of proteins ingested at the same level as consumed at energy balance, despite lower energy intakes.
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It took 2 seconds to find these studies. There are numerous other studies showing that a high protein intake is healthy in normal people and is crucial in preserving body composition and metabolic rate during and after a prolonged calorie deficit. Stop acting like an expert if you lack basic knowledge.
 
Conor 419 said:
Want to lose weight OP?

- Cut carbs completely
- Cut junk food completely
- Focus on protein, fat and veg.
- Do high intensity interval training
- eat less in general
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This is how people who try to lose weight fail.

- They cut out their primary source of energy (carbs) leaving them mentally and physically exhausted.
- They cut out foods that they love completely resulting in painful cravings which usually leads to them cracking and overeating.
- They focus on food groups that they might not enjoy the taste of - again, torture - because people tell them that it's healthy for them. The goal for fat loss is a calorie deficit, doesn't matter where those calories came from (although there are health reasons to eat less of certain food groups).
- They do exhausting exercises that put them off working out altogether just because people say they add health benefits in comparison to other exercises. Except interval training only adds a slightly higher boost to metabolism than regular exercise and it barely burns off more calories during the exercise. It's used by athletes to better their performance - it shouldn't be used by obese people trying to change their lifestyle.
- Eating less in general should come naturally if they take in enough protein, fiber, and healthy fats. But if you're hungry, eat or you'll end up overeating later. You get hunger pains for a reason, your body is trying to tell you something.
 
jgmo870 said:
This is how people who try to lose weight fail.

- They cut out their primary source of energy (carbs) leaving them mentally and physically exhausted.
- They cut out foods that they love completely resulting in painful cravings which usually leads to them cracking and overeating.
- They focus on food groups that they might not enjoy the taste of - again, torture - because people tell them that it's healthy for them. The goal for fat loss is a calorie deficit, doesn't matter where those calories came from.
- They do exhausting exercises that put them off working out altogether just because people say they add health benefits in comparison to other exercises. Except interval training only adds a slightly higher boost to metabolism than regular exercise and it barely burns off more calories during the exercise. It's used by athletes to better their performance - it shouldn't be used by obese people trying to change their lifestyle.
- Eating less in general should come naturally if they take in enough protein, fiber, and healthy fats. But if you're hungry, eat or you'll end up overeating later. You get hunger pains for a reason, your body is trying to tell you something.
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This is just profoundly ignorant. Plenty of people have had success losing weight and keeping it off with a low carb diet. Low carb diets are particularly effective for people with insulin resistance. There are several people on this forum who have had tremendous success wit a low carb diet. For many people, it's the first diet that actually works and is the first diet that is not torture.
 
Srsly said:
You realize that people with Diabetes often have impaired renal function (although excess protein is really only a problem in someone with advanced diabetes.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25



http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v30/n3s/abs/0803487a.html



It took 2 seconds to find these studies. There are numerous other studies showing that a high protein intake is healthy in normal people and is crucial in preserving body composition and metabolic rate during and after a prolonged calorie deficit. Stop acting like an expert if you lack basic knowledge.
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Also, this study is on "normal" people, if yo are advocating a "keto diet" this is not the case.

Same can be said of the "normal diet" which I have said many times. If you are not diabetic, have celiacs or other, simple changes in diet and exercise habits are beneficial.

this is the same kind of extrapolation that the ant-grains proponents use when using the GI index


I have never called myself an expert, no do I think am, I almost completed a Bio-Anthropology BS (emphasis on obesity rates) major but had to abandon it due to other issues. I am ware of the limits of my knowledge an expertise. I;m just curious. I have always told people to see doctors and dietitians when it comes to diet questions.


"Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function."

So, like I have always said, see a doctor and a dietitian before and during your diet to keep track of the changes in blood sugar and renal activity.
 
Srsly said:
This is just profoundly ignorant. Plenty of people have had success losing weight and keeping it off with a low carb diet. Low carb diets are particularly effective for people with insulin resistance. There are several people on this forum who have had tremendous success wit a low carb diet. For many people, it's the first diet that actually works and is the first diet that is not torture.
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Having success with the diet doesn't mean they don't experience negative side effects which should be completely avoidable.

I'd like to see why you think insulin resistance is tied to fat loss. I know it's tied to water weight loss but, hey, you're the one throwing around words like ignorant.
 
Srsly said:
This is just profoundly ignorant. Plenty of people have had success losing weight and keeping it off with a low carb diet. Low carb diets are particularly effective for people with insulin resistance. There are several people on this forum who have had tremendous success wit a low carb diet. For many people, it's the first diet that actually works and is the first diet that is not torture.
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It's not ignorant, it does apply in many cases.

He was also replying to someone saying cut all carbs completely, not go low carb. Carbs are needed and good for you.
 
Conor 419 said:
Want to lose weight OP?

- Cut carbs completely
- Cut junk food completely
- Focus on protein, fat and veg.
- Do high intensity interval training
- eat less in general
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What is your definition for carbs? Is it any kind of breads, or starchy foods that may include some vegetables?

are whole grain oats fine?
Brown rice?

Lots of vegetables have carbs and are filing without being nutritionally empty.


Or do you mean cut stuff out like : bagels, sugary cereals, white rice, whte bread, french fries, pastries and others?
 
Conor 419 said:
Want to lose weight OP?

- Cut carbs completely
- Cut junk food completely
- Focus on protein, fat and veg.
- Do high intensity interval training
- eat less in general
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Stop eating sugar (which entails no processed foods) and you'll get the same results even if you don't count carbs at all. And I mean at all. Training is the icing on the cake, but it obscures where the results are coming from.
 
jgmo870 said:
This is how people who try to lose weight fail.

- They cut out their primary source of energy (carbs) leaving them mentally and physically exhausted.
- They cut out foods that they love completely resulting in painful cravings which usually leads to them cracking and overeating.
- They focus on food groups that they might not enjoy the taste of - again, torture - because people tell them that it's healthy for them. The goal for fat loss is a calorie deficit, doesn't matter where those calories came from (although there are health reasons to eat less of certain food groups).
- They do exhausting exercises that put them off working out altogether just because people say they add health benefits in comparison to other exercises. Except interval training only adds a slightly higher boost to metabolism than regular exercise and it barely burns off more calories during the exercise. It's used by athletes to better their performance - it shouldn't be used by obese people trying to change their lifestyle.
- Eating less in general should come naturally if they take in enough protein, fiber, and healthy fats. But if you're hungry, eat or you'll end up overeating later. You get hunger pains for a reason, your body is trying to tell you something.
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This is the best post in this thread

I like you
 
ClassyPenguin said:
Also, this study is on "normal" people, if yo are advocating a "keto diet" this is not the case.

Same can be said of the "normal diet" which I have said many times. If you are not diabetic, have celiacs or other, simple changes in diet and exercise habits are beneficial.

this is the same kind of extrapolation that the ant-grains proponents use when using the GI index


I have never called myself an expert, no do I think am, I almost completed a Bio-Anthropology BS (emphasis on obesity rates) major but had to abandon it due to other issues. I am ware of the limits of my knowledge an expertise. I;m just curious. I have always told people to see doctors and dietitians when it comes to diet questions.


"Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function."

So, like I have always said, see a doctor and a dietitian before and during your diet to keep track of the changes in blood sugar and renal activity.
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Well people should get blood tests more often anyway. I get a full metabolic, lipid, and hormone test done monthly but I have to pay out of pocket.

On keto for 1 year, my lipids went from over 200 to 96 total cholesterol 56 HDL. No negative effects seen. I don't do keto anymore because I don't need to but it definitely didn't harm me. The only possible harm is if you are diabetic and try it.
 
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