I plan on doing a diet that simply involves not eating.

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I've done this once. Only drank water for 3 weeks, and have 1 slice of bread every morning. It's hard at first, after a few days you get used to it. I actually lost 20 pounds in 3 weeks. Then I realized I can't live without my pizza's and hamburgers. Those 20 pounds came back pretty fast. Anyways, it definitely works, i don't know for how long your body could take it. But i lasted 3 weeks.
I did still go to the bar every Friday night, so i did cheat a little.
 
FrsDvl said:
I've done this once. Only drank water for 3 weeks, and have 1 slice of bread every morning. It's hard at first, after a few days you get used to it. I actually lost 20 pounds in 3 weeks. Then I realized I can't live without my pizza's and hamburgers. Those 20 pounds came back pretty fast. Anyways, it definitely works, i don't know for how long your body could take it. But i lasted 3 weeks.
I did still go to the bar every Friday night, so i did cheat a little.
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Because you lost mostly water weight.

All you could done is substitute one or two unhealthy meals. In the long term, it the healthy choices become more normal, more of a routine and not a chore and therefore you will think differently.

Mr. Serious Business said:
It's gotten to the point where GAF uses "bro" as a prefix for anything they don't like.

Next we'll have a thread talking about the evils of "Bro-Hitler."
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Broscience
 
If you truely want to lose weight, simply cut Carbs and whatever sugar snacks from your diet. Do it for a month, see results, if you're happy, keep at it, if not, stop. Drink your water. Don't be stupid

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"white bread, Wonder bread etc" makes you fat.

In a normal diet a few grams of whole grain wheat can make you feel full and can add some fibers.
You won'w have to be munching on things all day.
 
BackwardsSuggestions said:
Before I start, yes it's a bad idea. I get that.

I currently weigh 220lbs. The easiest and best way for my to lose this weight would be simply to diet and exercise. I'm not doing that. I'm going to simply stop eating.

Most days I will not eat but in order to stay alive, some food needs to be consumed. These will be limited to items such as sandwiches or cereal and only once a day at maximum. Liquids and any drinks have no effect on this test. I will still drink tea and will still occasionally buy a can of Coke or similar.

Other notes:

  • I do smoke
  • I do work full time
  • I can't cook but do eat a worrying amount of take-away.

I also started a blog, just to get my progress down on paper. I also honestly believe no one will care but it's more fun with people pretending they're interested. :)
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Great idea to only eat stuff which you absolutely shouldn't be eating on any diet. Especially if you're planning on eating nothing, then it's even more stupid to eat stuff with little to none nutritional value.

Stupidest idea I've heard anyway.
 
blackflag said:
Yes but singling out white bread as somehow causing you to be fat and not wheat bread is what I was responding to.
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White bread in that sence that I meant it, is caloricly dense and nutrient free.

It;s a combination of many behaviors and foods that are causing the obesity epidemic. Not just carbs.


When you have like 48% of all Americans drinking more than half of their caloric intake in soda, that says a lot more.
 
I've been losing weight so I'll post what has been wokring for me:

Start off slow and then gradually stop eating bad food. Drink nothing but water. If you like coffee with 4 sugars, try to lower it. If you like those snacks or take out to much, once a week allow yourself to have something bad then make it once every 2 etc. Eventually even the small amount of bad food you allow yourself will start to taste bad. Chips to salty, coke to sweet.

I've lost almost 30 pounds from just doing the above, I started at the beginning of the year. I could have lost more if exercise wasn't so painful. So if the slow approach isn't working try exercising. But again, start out slow and gradually build to harder and longer sessions.

I found that trying to just stop something never works in the long run. Also, just drinking water can't be good.
 
ClassyPenguin said:
White bread in that sence that I meant it, is caloricly dense and nutrient free.

It;s a combination of many behaviors and foods that are causing the obesity epidemic. Not just carbs.


When you have like 48% of all Americans drinking more than half of their caloric intake in soda, that says a lot more.
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I'm not disagreeing with that at all. My only issue is that of wheat bread in the same amount causing less fatness. It's basically the same, the gi is almost exactly the same as well unless it is mostly cracked wheat kernels.
 
The key to weight loss all comes down to math.

One pound of fat = 3500 calories. Thus in order to lose 1 pound of body fat, you simply need to burn 3500 more calories than you take in. The source of the calories doesn't matter, as far as pure fat loss goes.
 
OP, you should learn how to cook before you go on that diet. Then you change your diet from the shit you're eating now to something healthy you can make yourself.

Also, stop smoking and using drinking sodas, using sugar in tea etc. And drink lots of water. You'll lose weight just doing that.
 
ClassyPenguin said:
In a normal diet a few grams of whole grain wheat can make you feel full and can add some fibers.
y.
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That full feeling won't last for more than few hours though and when it ends the hunger will be very hard to control. The biggest advantage of cutting carbs is that diet pased on protein and fat heavily curbs apetite. After a while even 24-36h fasts aren't a problem and you still feel good on them. With carb based diet if you're not eating every few hours the hunger is pretty damn hard to control.

When on a diet it simply makes most sense to cut carbs heavily. As you are going to aim for lowering the caloric intake anyway, it's simply wasteful to use those calories in your limit for carbs.
 
Bread is the one thing I am having a hard time finding a healthy alternative. Usually have toast in the morning. I can't drink milk, and I really don't like oatmeal. So what should I be making for breakfast?
 
Bad7667 said:
Bread is the one thing I am having a hard time finding a healthy alternative. Usually have toast in the morning. I can't drink milk, and I really don't like oatmeal. So what should I be making for breakfast?
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Eggs.
Also..if you have problems with milk, look into other diary produts, cottage cheese, kefirs, greek yoghurts, cheeses etc. In most cases even if somebody doesn't tolerate milk, they can easily digest other diary, especially if it's fermented.
 
Could we stop with the keto is bad and leaving out carbs is bad because you are not eating your primary source of energy. God..

Keto isn't bad AND it's most likely the normal metabolic situation for us. We will go in to keto if we eat less than 100g of carbs a day. 99,9% of the history of our species there wasn't any way for us to eat that much carbs which leads to the conclusion that our ancestors most likely were in keto all the time. If it were so bad we probably wouldn't be alive today.

Also the inuit/eskimo situation and many others.

And leaving out carbs doesn't leave you exhausted like someone suggested in the previous page. Once your body adapts to using ketones for fuel you will have all the energy in the world. Also fat is actually the preferred fuel for most of our tissues. They like it.
 
I was anorexic in high school and ended up losing 40 lbs. I'd consume 500 calories or less a day. By not eating, I did get very thin very fast and went to a size 0 in pants and just over 100 lbs. Starving yourself is not something you can do forever. The moment you start eating normally, you'll gain all the weight back and then some, thanks to a very slow metabolism. I'm at my normal weight now, but starving yourself is never a good option.
 
You are basing that on "paleofantasy" those on the bones of humans thousands of years ago. Our gut adapts quite fast to changing food environments. Hence the variety of different food food cultures.
 
ClassyPenguin said:
You are basing that on "paleofantasy" those on the bones of humans thousands of years ago. Our gut adapts quite fast to changing food environments. Hence the variety of different food food cultures.
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Even if our gut adapted quite fast that still doesn't make keto bad. There are a million examples of it working very well. Like the popular inuit example.

And our paleolithic ancestors most likely were in keto all the time. There's no way around it.
Only people living in the tropics might have had access to enough fruits to prevent it.
 
ClassyPenguin said:
You are basing that on "paleofantasy" those on the bones of humans thousands of years ago. Our gut adapts quite fast to changing food environments. Hence the variety of different food food cultures.
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Ok well I posted studies, I'm not one of the paleo guys but keto is a great tool for those that are obese and trying to lose weight.

In both studies, total cholesterol went down and HDL went up ( lol you ask why we don't trust the American heart association, it's because of facts like these)

Keto had a higher rate of people sticking to the diet

Those on keto lost more weight

Lbs lost on keto were were comprised of more fat and less muscle than the other group. (Keto is protein sparing)

This shit is why I laugh at the stupid food pyramid, most nutritionists, the heart association, and people who got their nutritional info from going to schools that regurgitate the same flawed bullshit endlessly.
 
despire said:
This was a pretty interesting (although anectodal) example of why calorie isn't a calorie. Found it in the weight loss thread. Pretty much same experience I had although I didn't eat quite as much.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam-feltham/my-5000-calorie-experiment_b_3350869.html

Dude eats ~5800kcal a day. Doesn't gain weight, waist measurement goes down.
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Hmm I'd reserve judgement, I know keto and low carb works but at those calories he should be gaining weight and he might be. I lose 8-10 lbs In the first week when I go on keto. Most of that is water weight. So he may have actually gained several lbs but there's really no way to tell.

Interesting experiment. Definitely gonna follow the rest to see the outcome.

Edit - although my lean mass is over 200 lbs so I have a lot more glycogen and water to lose than that skinny dude lol
 
I've lost almost 30 lbs since late February staying between 50-80g of carbs per day with one cheat day a week.

I definitely have more energy now than I did with my shitty diet of pizza and soda
 
blackflag said:
Hmm I'd reserve judgement, I know keto and low carb works but at those calories he should be gaining weight and he might be. I lose 8-10 lbs In the first week when I go on keto. Most of that is water weight. So he may have actually gained several lbs but there's really no way to tell.

Interesting experiment. Definitely gonna follow the rest to see the outcome.

Edit - although my lean mass is over 200 lbs so I have a lot more glycogen and water to lose than that skinny dude lol
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I think it's also possible that if he has a healthy metabolism, his body just ramps it up to burn those calories (at least some of it). It's been known to happen.

If you eat much, your body ramps up metabolism and you feel like you want to move around. If you eat too little, your body slows down metabolism and you feel lazy. With little to use, your body wants to conserve as much as it can.

Anyway the dude doesn't look any fattier than in the start.
 
despire said:
I think it's also possible that if he has a healthy metabolism, his body just ramps it up to burn those calories (at least some of it). It's been known to happen.

If you eat much, your body ramps up metabolism and you feel like you want to move around. If you eat too little, your body slows down metabolism and you feel lazy. With little to use, your body wants to conserve as much as it can.

Anyway the dude doesn't look any fattier than in the start.
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He definitely wouldn't look fatter with the water offset. I'm not saying he has gotten fatter, just I know that he would have lost water weight and it appears he hasn't so it could be hiding the fat gain.
 
blackflag said:
He definitely wouldn't look fatter with the water offset. I'm not saying he has gotten fatter, just I know that he would have lost water weight and it appears he hasn't so it could be hiding the fat gain.
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Yeah, it is possible. Hard to know without a BF% test really..
 
HalfBakedProphet said:
I've lost almost 30 lbs since late February staying between 50-80g of carbs per day with one cheat day a week.

I definitely have more energy now than I did with my shitty diet of pizza and soda
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This is typical too, once your body becomes fat adapted, most people have more energy and it is also stable throughout the day.
 
despire said:
Yeah, it is possible. Hard to know without a BF% test really..
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Yeah I'm annoyed he didn't have hydrostatic testing done first. He really should have done that. One thing I definitely know is if he was eating 5,800 cals with more carbs, he would be several lbs heavier in water and fat weight.
 
Does nobody know how to feed themselves anymore? What were your parents doing when you grew up OP?

Cut carbs, cut sugar completely, eat a small amount of fiber, rest protein and vegetables (no carrots, corn or any kind of beans), maybe some orange juice now and then so you aren't the first person in the developed world in 100 years to get scurvy...

Fat be gone without all your muscles atrophying away and without starving your organs and brain of everything they need to function.
 
There are better ways to lose weight...Just avoid carbs and eat lots of fruits and vegatables and a bit of meats.

If you starve yourself, you may lose weight, but you'll also lose your hair....
 
Mr. Serious Business said:
It's gotten to the point where GAF uses "bro" as a prefix for anything they don't like.

Next we'll have a thread talking about the evils of "Bro-Hitler."
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This isn't exclusive to gaf.

PS_GUY said:
There are better ways to lose weight...Just avoid carbs and eat lots of fruits and vegatables and a bit of meats.

If you starve yourself, you may lose weight, but you'll also lose your hair....
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Fruits are carbs. But I agree, much better ways of losing weight.
 
blackflag said:
Probably listened to the U.S. government which says we should eat 6-11 servings of bread, pasta, cereal, and rice per day......smh
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This.

PS_GUY said:
There are better ways to lose weight...Just avoid carbs and eat lots of fruits and vegatables and a bit of meats.

If you starve yourself, you may lose weight, but you'll also lose your hair....
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Would be even better to avoid the fruits as well since they have a ton of sugar. You can get your vitamins/minerals easily from veggies anyway so there's no reason to eat fruits when trying to lose weight.

Also your body needs the protein more than ever so a bit more than a bit of meat is required :)
 
blackflag said:
It all turns to glucose.
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And it should. You need ~120g of carbohydrates for operating your brain daily. If you do not get it from carbs, your body will simply break down the stored fat or the protein you take in, and manually convert it to glucose, but it WILL get it. It is not poison.

Edit: To clarify, white bread is still bullshit, as it is an equivalent of snapping yourself in the face, repeatedly. Hence the more fiber-full rye bread or full wheat bread options out there. Not a slap to the body, but a slow burning dose of fuel. And no constipation either.
 
Want to lose weight? Start running a caloric deficit by eating a little less and doing a little more. Work up to both slowly.

Most of the advice in this thread is punishing for an overweight or obese person to attempt, let alone adhere to, even amid all the contradictory advice and food panic.
 
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