Punished Miku
Banned
Just a reminder that the new Prince of Persia is one of the best games of the year and brought the price DOWN.
You guys are clueless and mostly ignored the game.
You guys are clueless and mostly ignored the game.
I think it's time we paid more for our hobby, this feels unsustainable.
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Schmendrick
Member
Game prices have already increased...not necessarily the base price, even though that was raised by 10$ this gen, no I´m talking about more and more content being hidden behind paywalls.
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existensmaximum
Member
It would make sense to have a bigger variation in game prices for sure.
schaft0620
Member
I spend ~$8,000/year on gaming.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
We already do. Consoles have never been more expensive, and games are now $70 base price, Nintendo is even adopting that as they head into the next console.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I spent $1600 on my 4090 GPU.
Naw, I think I'm paying more than enough
Naw, I think I'm paying more than enough
Little Chicken
Member
Would love to see proof of this much parroted claim on NeoGaf. Even just saw a tweet by Mat Piscatella calling subs additive (rather) than cannibalistic. Who to believe
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes they have. Go and look up what a NeoGeo and Turbo GrafX 16 cost in the late 80s....and then account for inflation.
Also, go and look at the prices of N64 cartriges from the the 90s.
Saber
Newd Member
This smells like "blaming the consumer".
Sorry but a big fucking nope. Everything is already excessive expansive in my country, not my fault if people live in a bubble where they pretend other countries doesn't exist. Only a fool thinks companies wouldn't be willing to lay off people despite good earnings.
Sorry but a big fucking nope. Everything is already excessive expansive in my country, not my fault if people live in a bubble where they pretend other countries doesn't exist. Only a fool thinks companies wouldn't be willing to lay off people despite good earnings.
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Senua
Member
Imagine being against being a smart consumer. Consoooooooom
lifa-cobex
Member
I pay according to the value of the product.
Skull and bones £50------No.
A game that is less than it's 11 year old predecessor.
Helldivers £35-------Yes.
Original, fun and challenging. I will support future DLC so long as quality is up to spec.
Gaming company's have set their own bar in terms of expense.
They did it to themselves. You don't need this over the top, BAFTA winning story with insane graphics.
Helldivers, Vampire survivors, Pal world, Stardew Valley, This war of mine, etc etc have all proven this.
Don't be a simp OP
Skull and bones £50------No.
A game that is less than it's 11 year old predecessor.
Helldivers £35-------Yes.
Original, fun and challenging. I will support future DLC so long as quality is up to spec.
Gaming company's have set their own bar in terms of expense.
They did it to themselves. You don't need this over the top, BAFTA winning story with insane graphics.
Helldivers, Vampire survivors, Pal world, Stardew Valley, This war of mine, etc etc have all proven this.
Don't be a simp OP
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FeralEcho
Member
You can't be serious with this shit...
This industry is making record profits.
Now they are laying off thousands of devs and somehow it's the consumers fault for not buying shit to make them profitable to sustain the thousands of employees necessary to make gaas games made specifically to nickle and dime the consumers or the 100+ hour open world garbage filled with filler to extend the life of the game artificially.
Maybe don't make 100 hour games that take 10 years to develop in the first place so your game doesnt need 30 million copies sold just to break even or build gaas games that make or break a development team and force them to keep developing content for it for countless years even if the game is a failure.
This industry is making record profits.
Now they are laying off thousands of devs and somehow it's the consumers fault for not buying shit to make them profitable to sustain the thousands of employees necessary to make gaas games made specifically to nickle and dime the consumers or the 100+ hour open world garbage filled with filler to extend the life of the game artificially.
Maybe don't make 100 hour games that take 10 years to develop in the first place so your game doesnt need 30 million copies sold just to break even or build gaas games that make or break a development team and force them to keep developing content for it for countless years even if the game is a failure.
While I'm not against a pricehike if necessary, I'd rather the industry would look for different solutions to get healthy again.
The ratrace for photorealistic graphics shouldve ended years ago as it's not a viable business model. Spider-Man 2 sold a gazzilion copies and barely broke even. That's not healthy. Higher prices won't fix that issue as more people would just wait for a sale instead of buying it at €90.
I'd prefer if more studio's followed the Nintendo/KoeiTecmo route. Both release some of my favorite games and usually are already profitable at a couple of hundred of thousands sales.
The ratrace for photorealistic graphics shouldve ended years ago as it's not a viable business model. Spider-Man 2 sold a gazzilion copies and barely broke even. That's not healthy. Higher prices won't fix that issue as more people would just wait for a sale instead of buying it at €90.
I'd prefer if more studio's followed the Nintendo/KoeiTecmo route. Both release some of my favorite games and usually are already profitable at a couple of hundred of thousands sales.
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Sanepar
Member
You can see sales number fox Xbox games everywhere.Would love to see proof of this much parroted claim on NeoGaf. Even just saw a tweet by Mat Piscatella calling subs additive (rather) than cannibalistic. Who to believe
Stuart360
Member
A lot of games are already underperforming as it is, putting prices up would kill some studios.
We gamers are not telling studios and publishers they have to have 300mil budgets.
What is it with this place always caring more about studios and publishers over us gamers and consumers?.
We gamers are not telling studios and publishers they have to have 300mil budgets.
What is it with this place always caring more about studios and publishers over us gamers and consumers?.
Punished Miku
Banned
This whole sentiment didn't exist until this gen, from PS5 consumers only. Every single other gen was dominated by a hunting for the best value, the best sale. If anyone is to blame for prolonging this endless diseased budget bloating, it's people that don't care at all about value of price hikes. If we had 2 companies aggressively competing on price, this would never happen. But we don't. We have one competing on price, and one that just raises it over and over while millions cheer it on. Not a coincidence its this same consumer base pushing for the most over budget games in the whole industry to be made, and to stick consumers with the bill by trying to shame them.
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Mephisto40
Member
Development costs will go down in the future with the heavy introduction of AI in development, at least it should
So I don't think now is really the right time to be putting prices for the consumer up
So I don't think now is really the right time to be putting prices for the consumer up
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
You have, Microsoft said it themselves in court. Not only did they say it would cannibalize games, they also said they were worried about putting activison games on gamepass because it could severely hinder sales.Would love to see proof of this much parroted claim on NeoGaf. Even just saw a tweet by Mat Piscatella calling subs additive (rather) than cannibalistic. Who to believe
I think they would know considering they actually have gamepass. I'll take their word for it in court over some dude in a suit looking at a spreadsheet.
ToadMan
Member
With this attitude, gaming of the type we talk about here is not for you.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Dumbest take ever.
From a first party perspective Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo now make hundreds of millions per year for simply allowing their players access to play online. They also now make 30% from all digital transactions on their store.
From a third party perspective in game monetisation is now rampant amongst the biggest players with the biggest costs associated to game development. EA, Take Two, Ubisoft - creaming it for digital items.
The answer is not more cost to the consumer. Studios aren't budgeting appropriately, are focussing on areas in games that don't matter and can't produce games within reasonable timeframes. So they can suck it up and fuck off.
Nintendo and From are all the evidence you need that you can be highly profitable and churn out banger after banger. End of.
From a first party perspective Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo now make hundreds of millions per year for simply allowing their players access to play online. They also now make 30% from all digital transactions on their store.
From a third party perspective in game monetisation is now rampant amongst the biggest players with the biggest costs associated to game development. EA, Take Two, Ubisoft - creaming it for digital items.
The answer is not more cost to the consumer. Studios aren't budgeting appropriately, are focussing on areas in games that don't matter and can't produce games within reasonable timeframes. So they can suck it up and fuck off.
Nintendo and From are all the evidence you need that you can be highly profitable and churn out banger after banger. End of.
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MikeM
Member
Helldivers 2 is the first game in years that makes me feel like I stole it. I'm planning on buying the premium version. I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.
Money comes to those who make good games. Make the game first, then sure increase the price of admission. It just has to be worth it and put the gamer first, not shareholders.
Money comes to those who make good games. Make the game first, then sure increase the price of admission. It just has to be worth it and put the gamer first, not shareholders.
Buggy Loop
Member
Punished Miku
Banned
The price hikes are shrinking the industry already lol. Wow, that was fast.
Steam lol? I definitely do recommend the game.
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balls of snow
Member
I did my part buying AA and indies at full price and lots of day 1 AAA game that peaked my interest.
Looking at Supermassive games in particular, I have no regrets and my conscience is clear after supporting the Dark Pictures games. Whatever happens is beyond my control and im ok with that.
Looking at Supermassive games in particular, I have no regrets and my conscience is clear after supporting the Dark Pictures games. Whatever happens is beyond my control and im ok with that.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Immortals of Avenum tried to charge $70 for their game, now the studio's bankrupt. People aren't willing to accept that as the standard price for all types of games. Even Prince of Persia had a tough time at $50.
ToadMan
Member
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It seems you have identified the problem. Yes they make money... by reducing the quality of games.
Ill happily pay more for better. You won't. Fine by me.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Or SNES games from even before that. Makes me think a lot of folks in here are young. I paid $75 for Super Street Fighter II on the SNES at 13-years-old in 1994.
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mayham2199
Member
That's kind of situational. DLC, Season passes, and microtransactions have almost never got my money. I actually stopped paying for DLC packaged games because I never do it. I'll play the base game and just move on. I'd rather pay $5-10 dollars less and just get the base game. Season passes and microtransactions I can't even remember the last time I did either of these.
I paid $60 for Elden Ring and played it for 99 hours. If that's an entry fee that's one hell of deal I just got. Last time I went to the movies with my wife and ate dinner I paid over $100 easily. That was 3 hours of entertainment. I think game prices need to go up and I can see them doing it next gen.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Your dollar went a lot further back then though. That's a big difference.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
$95 CDN + 13% tax in Ontario is closing in on $110.
And that's despite the avg US and Canadian getting paid about the same average wages per year of around $55,000 or whatever it is.
Al lot of stuff in the US is dirt cheap. And state tax in most places is roughly only around 7% if you skim all the states and try to average it out.
nikos
Member
Gaming is an incredibly cheap form of entertainment compared to most other things. A full priced game costs the same as a dinner, a few drinks, a movie for two, a couple of hours of bowling, etc., at least in my area. My point is, a night out is going to cost more than full priced game.
Even with a top end PC setup it's still a cheap hobby compared to many others, especially when you consider the amount of time good hardware can be relevant for.
There's no sense in arguing this though. Most "gamers" don't seem to get it because they don't do much else. They have don't have enough experience to make a comparison.
Even with a top end PC setup it's still a cheap hobby compared to many others, especially when you consider the amount of time good hardware can be relevant for.
There's no sense in arguing this though. Most "gamers" don't seem to get it because they don't do much else. They have don't have enough experience to make a comparison.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
sensibly yes, everything gets more expensive, literally everything, even basic necessities increase in price every year, but somehow videogames have been priced the same for like 30 years lol.
I believe it's also exactly because of this people are unwilling to pay more, they've been accustomed to what the price has been, unlike every other product or service that just increases slightly every year.
I believe it's also exactly because of this people are unwilling to pay more, they've been accustomed to what the price has been, unlike every other product or service that just increases slightly every year.
Publishers can up the price of their games however much they want (+20% or +30%), I'll still buy them on deals that I'm comfortable with. It doesn't help their case that they have some nice Backward Compatibility with software more than a decade old. You can find many masterpieces at -80% deals every month or used physical games for $10.
I'm not paying more so that some game "dev" can keep their job, especially considering their average political leanings.
I'm not paying more so that some game "dev" can keep their job, especially considering their average political leanings.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
I think you're insane "requesting" to pay more. What a hard life you have to not pay enough, have you considered moving to the "third world" ? Your wishes will come true.
More seriously, problem is not games prices but ridiculous development costs from studios, the more you give, the more they take. It's a never ending game, ironically.
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