IGN is Anti-Nintendo DS!! Nintendo Fans fight back!!

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MrparisSM

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This was a recent response by IGN to an email regarding the DS and the PSP by the actual ds.ign.com side!

"How can the PSP compete? Simple: by offering more advanced hardware and expanded functionality at a competitive price. While you may not want to watch movies and listen to music on your handheld of choice, I would hazard a guess that most people do. I certainly do. Seriously, look around. Convergence is the name of the game. I won't be satisfied until a cell phone, camera, game system, PDA, television and full fledged internet access have been imbedded into my wrist watch.

I don't care how they do it, just as long as it is done. In the end, having a dedicated game system is cool enough, but saying a competitively priced handheld with great visuals that can play movies and music can't compete against a similarly priced system with lesser graphic capabilities and lacking a movie and music player doesn't make any sense. The PSP will compete against the DS. And for the first time, the outcome isn't necessarily leaning in favor of Nintendo.
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If you've read most coverage on the site, most of the time they slam the DS for any and all minor faults it may have but never mention the faults that PSP has. And even gave the perception that the Japan launch for the DS was a failure, when many other sites reported much differently. Check this out!


The IGN mailbox has been flooded by defenders of Nintendo: Check out Nintendo fans fighting back!

http://ds.ign.com/mail.html

Craig(the guy over ign.ds) is trying to defend his position, but says assanine things like:

Consumers are scarfing up the system though, no question about it, and Nintendo has the holiday season to thank for it. It's not a failure at retail, and unfortunately that's just fueling Nintendo's image of simply playing it safe for the mainstream and not giving the "hardcore" market what it craves. This stance could definitely bite Nintendo in the butt when the time comes to fight the good fight with the company's biggest competition to date. Yes, I'm talking about the PSP. The DS is selling mainly because of the energized "gift-buying" time it's been released into. If Nintendo launched the system in March with the same exact line-up of games, I would bet that the numbers wouldn't even approach half the sell-through numbers it's receiving so far.
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Wasn't IGN the last fucking place to even have a DS channel??? Didn't they have a PSP channel months before the DS channel?? What is up with this? Do you think the wrong guy is over the DS site? Do you think IGN could be riding Sony's cock and slyly giving a negative spin on the DS every chance they get(even on the DS site mind you.) I for one love my DS and could care less what this idiot thinks. It's just sad that a arrogant asshole like this is running the DS channel. : /
 
Well, he's kinda right... The PSP would appear to be the better value and the Nintendo US launch lineup is average.

Speculating about if it launched some other time is stupid though. It didn't launch another time, so it's useless to say that people are only buying this because they are desperate for a gift.
 
MrparisSM said:
I for one love my DS and could care less what this idiot thinks.
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You do realize this negates the whole of your thread, yea?

edit: Or rather, it would if, you know, you'd bothered to coin the phrase correctly.
 
MrparisSM said:
I for one love my DS and could care less what this idiot thinks.
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After seeing how much you cared to express your outrage at this article, I'm inclined to agree...you could care less.
 
Hate to say it but I agree 100% with what they said. PSP to me is just a better more attractive product.
 
*bookmarks thread*

I'd like to think of myself as an objective fan of videogames across the board, but I do find IGN is trying too hard to find faults with the DS, and giving the PSP a few free passes.

That said, I can't wait to try out the mp3/photo/movie combo of the PSP.
 
Agent X said:
After seeing how much you cared to express your outrage at this article, I'm inclined to agree...you could care less.
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I don't care what that idiot thinks. But I do care about the negative things going on on the ign.ds site. And I just really want to gather some opinions on this. Hope that clears it up for you. :)
 
I'm not surprised, hating on Nintendo is currently en vogue among journalists and forums across the world.
 
Ah, more conspiratorial rants from Nintendo fanboys.

Listen. He said it perfectly the other day, and I think it's good if you hear it too.

It is absolutely irresponsible of him, or any other site, to completely ignore the competition in your coverage of your unique system. Not only does this lead to ridiculously biased coverage, but frankly it leads to misguided viewpoints and a lack of perspective. Not only this, but guess what.

He is allowed to have a preference. Not only is he and every other individual at IGN allowed to have a preference, but they're also allowed to try to atriculate why they have said preference if they chose to do so.

But do you actually READ what IGN covers? Of course not.

I'm the last person to defend IGN. I think their writers and editors have all the talent of Carrot Top on a comedy stage. That is to say, none at all.

I have followed coverage of the systems. Not only have they listed several faults they have seen with the PSP so far, but you forget the PRIMARY situation - the system isn't out yet! The DS system is. It's far easier to point out the flaws and strengths of a system they HAVE had extensive playtime with than one they haven't. They have an auctioned PSP, but it has no games! They went to play it on a kiosk Sony set up, but that's no place to objectively judge the system.

As a reader, I want my coverage to consider ALL angles. That includes the angles of DS and PSP. If a writer honestly considers one to have more strengths than the other, then I want them to write why and put it in an editorial. Generally regular reports should list the facts (or as many as possible) and let the reader decide strengths and weaknesses; but there are MANY opportunities for editorial responses and they should take them as often as they see fit. Period.

And to your example of them calling the DS launch "boring" - guess what. Guess. Where they were, it was boring! That's what we call writing based on personal experience, about the best they can do without having news vans traverse all of Japan to figure out what the overall picture is. The area they visited is usually the hotspot for system launches, and it was boring to them. Do you not understand why they wouldn't be a bit put off about such things? That's reporting honestly based on what they have personally seen.

My last thought?

Grow up. Welcome to the real world where people have preferences based on how they experience certain things.
 
But there's no reasons the editors for a site like ds.ign.com have to be blind fanboys. I mean I was as skeptical as anyone Re: the PSP for the longest time, but as soon as the Jap. launch price was announced, I kind of shut the hell up. :lol

I have a DS. I love my DS. I can't wait for the DS' potential to be filled.

That being said, I want a PSP too, for sure.

If Nintendo doesn't have Wi-Fi multiplayer DS games by the time Metroid Prime Hunters comes out, they will lose a lot of love in my book. I am almost counting on it being the case at this point (which might be foolish, but otherwise I can't really justify its inclusion).
 
mumu said:
I'm not surprised, hating on Nintendo is currently en vogue among journalists and forums across the world.
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I don't see why people can't see that the PSP clearly has a major advantage over the DS in the features it offers and visuals, and is only about $40-$50 higher in price.

The DS was clearly "rushed" to compete with the PSP, and I agree that if the system was launched alongside the PSP in March, it definitely wouldn't be selling the same numbers. Of course the same can be said about any system, since you're bound to sell more units during the holiday season than after it. :P
 
I think he's (the DS editor) right. Although, it is quite a paradox why the editor of a website dedicated solely to the coverage of a gaming platform would slam that very platform itself.
 
ElyrionX said:
I think he's (the DS editor) right. Although, it is quite a paradox why the editor of a website dedicated solely to the coverage of a gaming platform would slam that very platform itself.
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My point exactly.
 
ElyrionX said:
I think he's (the DS editor) right. Although, it is quite a paradox why the editor of a website dedicated solely to the coverage of a gaming platform would slam that very platform itself.
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Because he's not just the editor of the DS site.
 
He is speaking the truth though. He isnt saying PSP>DS, he is saying you are a fucking moron to think that the PSP can't compete. How is that not true. The people singing the DS's praises have probably never held a PSP in their hands before. The only valid knocks on the PSP are battery life, load times, and the fact that it is a port machine.

Other than Kimishine and Band Brothers, there are no DS games that I really want until Mario Kart and Meteos. Developers just arent using the DS to the extent that I believe most people want them to. I love my DS, I think it is cool, but it needs some better games. When I walked into the store last week to buy it, I just didnt feel the excitement I did at other hardware launches. The entirety of Japan was like that. IGN got slagged for saying the DS launch was uneventful in Japan. Well it was. Just be honest with yourself.

Lets examine the 4 DS games I have. Sawaru Made in Wario, Band Brothers, Kimishine, and Mario 64.

Sawaru - Fun minigames, but by no means a killer app. Most people say Mawaru > Sawaru.
Band Brothers - Lots of fun multiplayer, exponentially less fun single player.
Kimishine - Awesome game, and the sum of its minigames is greater than its parts, but be fair.. it is still a collection of minigames.
Mario 64 - An inferior version of one of the greatest games ever made. Still one of the greatest games ever made, but instead of being a step forward for the title, it feels more like a step back. And yes, I am bitching about the control.
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NOW - lets look at PSP.

First of all, I can watch tv shows on it at work. Awesome. I dont care much about music because I have an iPod. I can tunnel it at home because Sony didnt half ass an IP stack. It has a MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer screen. Now lets go onto the games.

I am buying 4 PSP games the first week.
Ridge Racers - A compliation of arcade racers featuring my favorite soundtrack of any racing game every (R4). With 8 player multiplayer? Sold.
Minna no Golf Portable - A brand new Mingol game with new courses and 8 player multiplayer...... um... sold!
Lumines - My favorite game from TGS. Mondo Grosso soundtrack! Sold!
Metal Gear Ac!d - A young team takes the metal gear series somewhere different. Id pay to see that. Sold.

There are things to be excited about NOW with the PSP. There is only things to be excited about in the future on DS. You are a moron to think that it cant compete with the DS. Which falls inline with the average intelligence of an IGN forum poster who can do nothing but complain to justify the fact that mom got them a DS for christmas and they have to evangelize until hell freezes over or they can get a PSP. Its ridiculous, and wrong. Maybe it is the IGN editors' faults - for not realizing that their readers dont want real opinions... they just want their own idiotic ideas (like the PSP cant compete against the DS) mirrored back to them to make them feel better.
 
Sony's cock and slyly giving a negative spin on the DS every chance they get
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Sony's cock isn't that hot a one to ride - they are not that interesting a company. They make hardware that does great, do some really nice first party games here and about, and have great connections and funds to bring in third party, but they are a faceless company. I wouldn't say whatever has anything to do with Sony love. Maybe some Nintendo fan hopelessness, but who's not feeling that from time to time?
 
i can't believe it. i just can't believe it. DS.IGN is biased.

the last bastion of respectable gaming journalism...

poof

just. like. that.

just like 3DO. just like sega. just like my father.

WHY DID YOU LEAVE US DADDY?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!
 
tetsuoxb said:
Sawaru - Fun minigames, but by no means a killer app. Most people say Mawaru > Sawaru.
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Who is most people? I brought my DS into work today and to my surprise people were asking if the new WarioWare was out yet, I'd say the fact they even know about WarioWare merits it's killer app status.
 
It's shady~yeah. But the only inappropriate thing I can gather from is IGN having a PSP section long before a DS one. The editor seems to be honest. Maybe he is sending it as a warning to fools who think the DS will have an easy win and this is his way of getting them "up in arms"?
 
tetsuoxb said:
First of all, I can watch tv shows on it at work. Awesome. I dont care much about music because I have an iPod. I can tunnel it at home because Sony didnt half ass an IP stack. It has a MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer screen. Now lets go onto the games.

I am buying 4 PSP games the first week.
Ridge Racers - A compliation of arcade racers featuring my favorite soundtrack of any racing game every (R4). With 8 player multiplayer? Sold.
Minna no Golf Portable - A brand new Mingol game with new courses and 8 player multiplayer...... um... sold!
Lumines - My favorite game from TGS. Mondo Grosso soundtrack! Sold!
Metal Gear Ac!d - A young team takes the metal gear series somewhere different. Id pay to see that. Sold.

There are things to be excited about NOW with the PSP. There is only things to be excited about in the future on DS. You are a moron to think that it cant compete with the DS. Which falls inline with the average intelligence of an IGN forum poster who can do nothing but complain to justify the fact that mom got them a DS for christmas and they have to evangelize until hell freezes over or they can get a PSP. Its ridiculous, and wrong. Maybe it is the IGN editors' faults - for not realizing that their readers dont want real opinions... they just want their own idiotic ideas (like the PSP cant compete against the DS) mirrored back to them to make them feel better.
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in response to your movies on the PSP comments. I have this http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=252&products_id=3983& for my DS and the movies look awesome! Only costs $25 bucks. And I have Riddick and BadBoys 2 on my 512MB flash card with room to spare! This thing is also a music player and can play NES roms! Also here's a video review that Gamespot.com has done for the device(you can see some video quality of it) and I"m sure you'll be quite impressed.

http://image.lik-sang.com/content/gba-movie-player/GBA_Movie_Player_GameSpot.wmv

And keep in mind it looks even better on the DS. :)
 
lockii said:
Who is most people? I brought my DS into work today and to my surprise people were asking if the new WarioWare was out yet, I'd say the fact they even know about WarioWare merits it's killer app status.
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Most people being my peer group here in Japan. Most of them post on tokyopia. Sawaru is fun... but it is no killer app. Wait til you actually play it. Wait til you throw your DS during the Mona cut scene. Its fun... but it isnt the kinda experience where you say "WOW! THIS IS NEW!".... Only multiplayer band brothers is like that.
 
MrparisSM said:
in response to your movies on the PSP comments. I have this http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=252&products_id=3983& for my DS and the movies look awesome! Only costs $25 bucks. And I have Riddick and BadBoys 2 on my 512MB flash card with room to spare! This thing is also a music player and can play NES roms! Also here's a video review that Gamespot.com has done for the device(you can see some video quality of it) and I"m sure you'll be quite impressed.

http://image.lik-sang.com/content/gba-movie-player/GBA_Movie_Player_GameSpot.wmv

And keep in mind it looks even better on the DS. :)
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HAHAHAHA! So I would rather watch my widescreen episodes of Lost on a small 4:3 screen than a comparatively huge 16:9 screen. Ummmmmmmm. no.
 
The new Wario Ware game probably shouldn't have made it this year, honestly. Either that, or the second GBA version should've been indefinitely delayed to allow more time and resources to go into the DS version.
 
Unison said:
Practically no one was online, so not really...
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I'm wondering if Nintendo will bring back their commercial response to the PSX (Who Needs a New System?) with Who Needs a New Handheld?
 
I think the problem comes from not seeing the DS for what it is. It is almost as if he believes that the DS is supposed to be the successor to the GBA.

The DS was intended for non gamers who currently find gaming too complicated, so imo the site should have its editors for the ds be non gamers. I honestly don't care about whether that editor likes the psp more etc, but the editor needs to be a "n00b" to videogames.



OF course a lot of the points i disagree with. Like for example "playing it safe", WTF? The DS is about as unsafe as it gets. Safe is putting the same thing with better graphics like the GC or GBA. Secondly the PSP isn't competing with the DS. The DS is looking at a completely different market to the PSP, ie non gamers for the DS, gamers for the psp.
 
Monk said:
I think the problem comes from not seeing the DS for what it is. It is almost as if he believes that the DS is supposed to be the successor to the GBA.

The DS was intended for non gamers who currently find gaming too complicated, so imo the site should have its editors for the ds be non gamers. I honestly don't care about whether that editor likes the psp more etc, but the editor needs to be a "n00b" to videogames.



OF course a lot of the points i disagree with. Like for example "playing it safe", WTF? The DS is about as unsafe as it gets. Safe is putting the same thing with better graphics like the GC or GBA. Secondly the PSP isn't competing with the DS. The DS is looking at a completely different market to the PSP, ie non gamers for the DS, gamers for the psp.
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Sorry, but all of the hard evidence points to the fact that the DS was originally the successor to the GBA. It originally was a single-screen handheld with 3D graphics. Then Sony came out and announced the PSP. Nintendo shit a brick, paniced, and slapped a touch screen on their next generation handheld to directly compete against Sony.
 
Monk said:
Secondly the PSP isn't competing with the DS. The DS is looking at a completely different market to the PSP, ie non gamers for the DS, gamers for the psp.
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Do you normally spout BS marketing lines used by both companies to cover their asses, or is this a new habit for you?

Two handhelds launching in the same window and they arent competitors. Just like gamecube and xbox are competitors. They were aiming at different markets too you know. You might want to hit the reset button on your brain and reconsider that idea.
 
ManaByte said:
Sorry, but all of the hard evidence points to the fact that the DS was originally the successor to the GBA. It originally was a single-screen handheld with 3D graphics. Then Sony came out and announced the PSP. Nintendo shit a brick, paniced, and slapped a touch screen on their next generation handheld to directly compete against Sony.
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What hard evidence do you speak of? And there's no way they could just "slap" on a second screen + touch screen without alot of planning before hand. And also make note that they had demo units shortly after announcing the DS at the E3 expo. You are making the DS's features sound like 'gimmicks" but I truely think Nintendo planned on these features all along. Sure they may have had to rush it out because of Sony, but that's about it.
 
But the only inappropriate thing I can gather from is IGN having a PSP section long before a DS one.
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DS had the game boy channel, and similarly interested readers; PSP didn't have anywhere to call home.

Either way with a DS site. You'd get benefits from having two traffic draws, but you'd also have a challenge building the readership (nobody reads about GBA, even GBA players), or establishing readership figures for ads. And you'd have to do twice the work with nothing to work with - I think we all thought we'd hear lots from Sony after they went supernova with PSP at E3, but Nintendo is usually more quiet.
 
MrparisSM said:
in response to your movies on the PSP comments. I have this http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=252&products_id=3983& for my DS and the movies look awesome! Only costs $25 bucks. And I have Riddick and BadBoys 2 on my 512MB flash card with room to spare! This thing is also a music player and can play NES roms! Also here's a video review that Gamespot.com has done for the device(you can see some video quality of it) and I"m sure you'll be quite impressed.

http://image.lik-sang.com/content/gba-movie-player/GBA_Movie_Player_GameSpot.wmv

And keep in mind it looks even better on the DS. :)
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Hahahaha...you're not honestly suggesting... at least I hope you're not... that the quality of movie playing/music playing on DS is even in the same fucking galaxy as PSP, are you? Please tell me you don't honestly think someone interested in the PSP movie/music capabilities are suddenly going to get a DS because it can offer some half-assed alternative?

Dude, DS is a gaming machine. If you honor your sanity, you'll probably not want to make a post like this again.
 
MrparisSM said:
What hard evidence do you speak of? And there's no way they could just "slap" on a second screen + touch screen without alot of planning before hand. And also make note that they had demo units shortly after announcing the DS at the E3 expo. You are making the DS's features sound like 'gimmicks" but I truely think Nintendo planned on these features all along. Sure they may have had to rush it out because of Sony, but that's about it.
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Photos of the original, pre-PSP announcement, single-screen board have been posted to this forum numerous times.
 
And also make note that they had demo units shortly after announcing the DS at the E3 expo.
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It's overestimating to say that Nintendo planned for nothing but a 3D GBA (even if you know the things there are to know that say this) but the DS demo units at E3 were just demo units - working mock-ups, if you will - and developers spent the bulk of their time programming DS game with just one screen and no touchpad on the first DS dev kits.
 
ManaByte said:
Sorry, but all of the hard evidence points to the fact that the DS was originally the successor to the GBA. It originally was a single-screen handheld with 3D graphics. Then Sony came out and announced the PSP. Nintendo shit a brick, paniced, and slapped a touch screen on their next generation handheld to directly compete against Sony.
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Ok so lets see all of this hard evidence.

Look, the DS wasn't designed just for non-gamers either. Now I'm sure they're trying to bring a few in, but they are certainly thinking of regular gamers primarily. And people really need to stop saying that the DS and PSP are going for "2 different markets." They're not. Jesus Christ people actually believe that bullshit?
 
Amir0x said:
Hahahaha...you're not honestly suggesting... at least I hope you're not... that the quality of movie playing/music playing on DS is even in the same fucking galaxy as PSP, are you? Please tell me you don't honestly think someone interested in the PSP movie/music capabilities are suddenly going to get a DS because it can offer some half-assed alternative?

Dude, DS is a gaming machine. If you honor your sanity, you'll probably not want to make a post like this again.
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I would be crazy to even suggest that. Only thing I'm saying is that Nintendo DS fans are not completely left out in the cold if movie/music playing is something they are interested in.
 
ManaByte said:
Sorry, but all of the hard evidence points to the fact that the DS was originally the successor to the GBA. It originally was a single-screen handheld with 3D graphics. Then Sony came out and announced the PSP. Nintendo shit a brick, paniced, and slapped a touch screen on their next generation handheld to directly compete against Sony.
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No Miyamoto already said that the GBA2 is coming next year in an interview a couple of weeks ago. Though i am interested in any proof that you may have with the origins of the DS.



Do you normally spout BS marketing lines used by both companies to cover their asses, or is this a new habit for you?

Two handhelds launching in the same window and they arent competitors. Just like gamecube and xbox are competitors. They were aiming at different markets too you know. You might want to hit the reset button on your brain and reconsider that idea.
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No i simply look at things at face value and see if what they say is justifiable. Many of my non gamer friends have told me that they don't like video games because they find it too complicated. So I see the DS as something that trys to cater to that market. So it's success to Nintendo from what they say is not gauged by how many units it sells but how much of that market they can get. If the thing just sells to regular gamers then they have failed with it as the successor to the GBA is coming in a year anyway to cater to regular gamers.
 
MrparisSM said:
No, I'm not saying that at all. I would be crazy to even suggest that. Only thing I'm saying is that Nintendo DS fans are not completely left out in the cold if movie/music playing is something they are interested in.
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Alrighty then. Just sounds a bit like you're stretching for any reason to dismiss the PSP. "Hey, uh, well that stuff the PSP can do... it's not that cool! I mean, look at this DS! It totally can...uh...can watch movies on 4:3 screen on a comparitively super shitty screen... you know... and uh... music too on inferior sound hardware! See, PSP ain't that cool!"

Sorry, I'm being a bit mean, but I really dislike the idea of anyone soiling great movies or good TV shows on such a half-assed screen.
 
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