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[MrparisSM]

DS had the game boy channel, and similarly interested readers; PSP didn't have anywhere to call home.

Either way with a DS site. You'd get benefits from having two traffic draws, but you'd also have a challenge building the readership (nobody reads about GBA, even GBA players), or establishing readership figures for ads. And you'd have to do twice the work with nothing to work with - I think we all thought we'd hear lots from Sony after they went supernova with PSP at E3, but Nintendo is usually more quiet.

No other online sites had a problem with starting a DS channel soon after it was announced. IGN on the other hand forced people to cycle through GBA stuff just to get to any DS related news. And touted the PSP as the second coming of Christ. They are very negative when it comes to the DS. And to me it's very unprofessional to put down a system and make the readers feel stupid for buying the DS this soon(see his comments above)on a actual site that's dedicated to that system! WTF, I wouldn't expect that from the xbox, PS2, or any of the other gaming channels. And did you see the coverage they had on the Japan launch? Very very shady like someone else stated.

 

[G4life98]

I wish ign would just stop the nintendo coverage altogether , since it seems they cant go a month without telling us how nintendo should be run.

 

[Monk]

The Miyamoto interview:

http://bugeyeds.blogspot.com/2004/11/translated-miyamoto-interview.html

Miyamoto: Really? [Smiles] But, returning to Japan, I asked my kids at home about it and they said, “What’s a DS?” I then realized that the name hasn’t gotten around yet. From the start, the DS has been for a market that doesn’t yet exist, as it was made with the intention of being something that would be more widely used in the world. What that means is, there was no way to be prepared for this news. In this case, I think it’s fortunate that so many pre-orders have accumulated due to high expectations.

Miyamoto: The d-pad is also on the DS, but I was worried about its removal many times during development. However, it’s used by lots of previous games. Surprisingly, I didn’t know at the time that the DS would also play GBA games.

Miyamoto: Yeah. However, the next step for portables is certainly a high-powered GBA. This isn’t the successor. We feel that the DS can do things that the Cube and the GBA can’t.

 

[MrparisSM]

The Miyamoto interview:

http://bugeyeds.blogspot.com/2004/11/translated-miyamoto-interview.html

Thanks. This just confirms what I was saying. That the touch-screen and dual screens were not a knee-jerk reaction to the PSP like some like to think. The only thing it looks like they added to make it fare better against the PSP was GBA backwards compatibility(which was a very smart move if you ask me.)

 

[ManaByte]

Thanks. This just confirms what I was saying. That the touch-screen and dual screens were not a knee-jerk reaction to the PSP like some like to think. The only thing it looks like they added to make it fare better against the PSP was GBA backwards compatibility(which was a very smart move if you ask me.)

Ah I knew those single-screen boards where just fakes made by Sony fans!

"Oh, I'm afraid the PSP will be quite operational when your high-powered GBA arrives."

 

[Amir0x]

Ah I knew those single-screen boards where just fakes made by Sony fans!

It all makes sense. Sound the alarms!

 

[lexi]

http://multimedia.theforce.net/muse...peror_Palpatine/Return_of_the_Jedi/palpy2.jpg
"Oh, I'm afraid the PSP will be quite operational when your high-powered GBA arrives."

Not the best comparison for your sake of the argument

 

[JackFrost2012]

DS PROTOTYPE MISSING FEATURES IN DEVELOPER SHOCKER
ONLY TWO DAYS OF POSITIVE FEELING TOWARDS THE DS REMAIN
ON DECEMBER 12 A NEW ERA IN PORTABLE ENTERTAINMENT BEGINS
ALL HAIL THE ONE PORTABLE CONSOLE FUTURE
PSP UBER ALLES

 

[Helena]

DS had the game boy channel, and similarly interested readers; PSP didn't have anywhere to call home.

Ah I don't follow IGN so I didn't know. Since that's the case I can't find much bias in what he pointed out.

 

[MrparisSM]

Ah I don't follow IGN so I didn't know. Since that's the case I can't find much bias in what he pointed out.

No the PSP had it's OWN channel as soon as it was announced. With several features on how awesome it was. And on the PSP vs DS features BOTH times they picked the PSP if I'm not mistaking?? With nothing but negative stuff to say about the DS. The DS didn't get its on channel for several months.

 

[ManaByte]

No the PSP had it's OWN channel as soon as it was announced. With several features on how awesome it was. And on the PSP vs DS features BOTH times they picked the PSP if I'm not mistaking?? With nothing but negative stuff to say about the DS. The DS didn't get its on channel for several months.

Maybe because a rational person can see that the handheld market is facing a repeat of 1994/95?

 

[Monk]

Ah I knew those single-screen boards where just fakes made by Sony fans!

You know it is possible they pushed that one back when they saw the psp right? The DS from the interview apparently didn't even have a d-pad originally. The GBA 2 from another interview will have a single screen and optical media ala psp. Though I am not sure if the optical media is a last minute adjustment as that interview came after the psp was revealed.

 

[ManaByte]

You know it is possible they pushed that one back when they saw the psp right? The DS from the interview apparently didn't even have a d-pad originally. The GBA 2 from another interview will have a single screen and optical media ala psp. Though I am not sure if the optical media is a last minute adjustment as that interview came after the psp was revealed.

If I remember correctly, the board was labeled Nitro (which was the DS codename and the games still use it as a code) and it matched one of the DS's processors exactly.

 

[Monk]

Um, that was the DS. But I didn't see any mock ups of it with one screen except for that 3d display bs concept art people made up.

EDIT: All I ever saw that was official was the spec sheet of this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/11/leaked_nintendo_ds_specs_reveal/

 

[ManaByte]

Um, that was the DS. But I didn't see any mock ups of it with one screen except for that 3d display bs concept art people made up.

EDIT: All I ever saw that was official was the spec sheet of this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/11/leaked_nintendo_ds_specs_reveal/

Uh, I am not talking about a mock-up. I am talking about the development board.

 

[Amir0x]

No the PSP had it's OWN channel as soon as it was announced. With several features on how awesome it was. And on the PSP vs DS features BOTH times they picked the PSP if I'm not mistaking?? With nothing but negative stuff to say about the DS. The DS didn't get its on channel for several months.

God, never has your title been more appropriate.

First of all, the PSP did not have a predecessor. THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PUT PSP NEWS EXCEPT FOR CREATING A NEW CHANNEL. The DS, on the other hand, had what IGN considered its predecessor - a GBA. It could put DS news there until things started really pouring in. As soon as it became clear that the news started to pour in, they created its own channel. For PSP, they had no place to "trickle" news on except IGN PS2, and that was clearly quite a different entity from the realm of handheld gaming.

Secondly, and I ask you this again, did you even read IGN's articles?

They listed things they loved about DS all the time! Read the first DS vs. PSP article from IGN here.

In it, two editors share their opinions on the systems. Nothing but negative things, you say?

It's not the 3D capabilities that make the game impressive - in fact, the system's 3D prowess, while certainly capable, are at the bottom of the list of what makes the system so darn cool. The best use of the system's 3D was absolutely, positively Metroid Prime: Hunters, since it truly looks like the GameCube game on a small screen. It did lack texture filtering, but that was noticeable only when up against a wall, or when watching the footage on the big screen attached to the system. But the reaction to the game was absolutely massive. It received a gigantic roar of applause at Nintendo's pre-E3 press conference the second the footage started rolling on the huge screen. I had seen and played the game the day before that event, and it didn't even dawn on me that people would go crazy like they did at the event.

Analog control is one thing, but direct, precise pinpoint control is entirely another…and it's really exciting to anticipate what creative designers can pull off on such a device. Pac Pix is a brilliant example of a "I would have never thought of that" game design that works; Draw Pac-Man to eat on-screen ghosts. Wow. And that's just one idea created during the system's pre-launch. Just imagine what developers are thinking of right this minute after seeing the thing.

I think both platforms will do extremely well when they launch, but I'm way, way more excited to experience the Nintendo DS. I don't think Nintendo will trounce its first real competitor to the market the way it did with Sega, Atari, NEC, and SNK in year's past, but I think that Nintendo DS will offer a much more compelling handheld gaming experience.

*gasp* Someone on IGN saying good things about DS?

But oh no, he has an opinion... so he also said some things he didn't like!

The unit [PSP] is extremely sexy, and it's clear that Nintendo's going to have to send the Nintendo DS' case back to design for a bit of a face-lift…the PSP kicks the DS' ass in terms of sleekness. As small and portable as the Nintendo DS is, the PSP makes it look like a foldable brick. Sony's always been great about system designs, and that mentality's been brought to the portable system.

The screen is another huge plus. The Nintendo DS screens are bright and more vivid than the Game Boy Advance SP system, but the PSP's screen technology absolutely trounces them with one that has as much contrast as a laptop LCD. The higher resolution is noticeable as well, especially when seeing some of the impressive software demos running on it. The widescreen format of the screen also looks fantastic, especially in games that feature a first-person and over-the-shoulder perspective.

God, look how biased he was against DS...

...oh, what's that? The PSP was a significantly more well designed system aesthetically at E3? Oh!

Oh...hm, that's interesting! The PSP screen does trounce the DS screen? Man, I'm really surprised! I thought IGN editors were biased fuckers!


And then the OTHER editor had nice things to say about PSP!

The PlayStation Portable is the handheld system that pocket gamers have been waiting years for. After years of the Game Boy racking up impressive sales but garnering no credit in the straight world of gaming fans, this is a system so powerful, it cannot be denied. People who know me from my many, many years interning for IGN Pocket, amongst other sites here, know that I do love my Game Boy. But the PSP is portable gaming on that next level, that mass market, everybody-must-play, super-cool-even-to-chicks game system experience that we were hoping the GBA would have been when we all saw those amazing shots of games like the GBA THPS.

As far as feel of the systems go, it's not even a question to me at the moment -- the PSP feels like butter, whereas the DS left me a little leery to see how it'll finally work out. Almost everything was right about the PSP -- the pad was better than anybody would imagine, the system's size and heft seemed friendly, and even the oddly-placed analog nub was in a much better spot than imagined (almost well-placed enough to wish for DualNub so we can play Ape Escape just like we did with a DualShock.) That little analog rocker, it was an instant hit for me -- I had wondered how PSP would deliver analog control while still coming down to a low profile, but this gliding nub is beyond my wildest dreams.

Man, this guy is so gushing about PSP... it's obvious he's biased. He'd never say ANYTHING bad about such a syste--

But, when it comes to gaming platforms, the fact remains: it's all about the games. And when it comes to portable gaming, Nintendo has time and again proven that hardware is hardly an issue. This is immediately apparent when you look at the PSP's crop of games: it looks uncomfortably close to the PS2 line-up. Between the ports and the sequels, the PlayStation Portable already stands a chance of losing its impact in just a few short months. Only one game, Ignition's cool platform/puzzler called Mercury, could really be called "innovative" or "unique".

Nintendo, on the other hand, just had demos -- many of them not even that playable (Metroid Prime: Hunters looked nice, but you can probably guess the problems with an FPS played with a stylus) -- and yet every one of those demos was unique and captivating. I'm not sure if Nintendo's third parties will be able to sustain the level of innovation Nintendo has brought to the table already (and, to be honest, I'm not sure even Nintendo will be able to keep this kind of gimmick fun forever), but at least Nintendo is carving out a clear market. When it comes to PSP, unless they've got great original games, I'm just not sure how much I'll spend on new titles -- would you buy the next Gran Turismo for play with a 4" screen, or would you rather own it for play on your gigantic home pro-scan system with surround sound and all the rest of the bells and whistles? There will be a few where you buy both, but there won't be many...

DEAR GOD, WHAT HAPPENED? I mean it was so clear he was biased and then my whole world view was SHATTERED!

You can read the second PSP vs. DS article here. As you can see, they had nothing but negative things to say about DS and only positive things to say about PSP!

Oh! That's bullshit too? I see!

Seriously, MSParis, I'm going to say what everyone else should have said to you on page one.

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Monk]

Oh, I haven't seen anything like that on these boards. Any links? (I was talking to manabyte)

 

[ManaByte]

Oh, I haven't seen anything like that on these boards. Any links? (I was talking to manabyte)

Pictures were posted in one of the many DS vs PSP flame wars on this forum, but I couldn't track them down in so many posts that popped up in the search.

 

[MrparisSM]

God, never has your title been more appropriate.

First of all, the PSP did not have a predecessor. THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PUT PSP NEWS EXCEPT FOR CREATING A NEW CHANNEL. The DS, on the other hand, had what IGN considered its predecessor - a GBA. It could put DS news there until things started really pouring in. As soon as it became clear that the news started to pour in, they created its own channel. For PSP, they had no place to "trickle" news on except IGN PS2, and that was clearly quite a different entity from the realm of handheld gaming.

Secondly, and I ask you this again, did you even read IGN's articles?

They listed things they loved about DS all the time! Read the first DS vs. PSP article from IGN here.

In it, two editors share their opinions on the systems. Nothing but negative things, you say?



*gasp* Someone on IGN saying good things about DS?

But oh no, he has an opinion... so he also said some things he didn't like!



God, look how biased he was against DS...

...oh, what's that? The PSP was a significantly more well designed system aesthetically at E3? Oh!

Oh...hm, that's interesting! The PSP screen does trounce the DS screen? Man, I'm really surprised! I thought IGN editors were biased fuckers!


And then the OTHER editor had nice things to say about PSP!



Man, this guy is so gushing about PSP... it's obvious he's biased. He'd never say ANYTHING bad about such a syste--



DEAR GOD, WHAT HAPPENED? I mean it was so clear he was biased and then my whole world view was SHATTERED!

You can read the second PSP vs. DS article here. As you can see, they had nothing but negative things to say about DS and only positive things to say about PSP!

Oh! That's bullshit too? I see!

Seriously, MSParis, I'm going to say what everyone else should have said to you on page one.

Shut the fuck up.

Were the insults and snide remarks really warrented? This is fucking thing called a webforum, with *GASP* people with different opinions !

You are such a goddamn arrogant ass fucker it's ridiculous. Of course you're only going to post the comments that support your claims, that's what Trolls do! If you don't like the topic do us all a favor and stay the fuck out of it. That's all I have to say to you.

kthxgoodbye

 

[ManaByte]

HAN: Who's scruffy-looking? (to Luke) I must have hit her pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid?

 

[Amir0x]

Pictures were posted in one of the many DS vs PSP flame wars on this forum, but I couldn't track them down in so many posts that popped up in the search.

This is the picture you're looking for. Click here. I'd img link it directly, but the host doesn't like image leeching.

Of course you're only going to post the comments that support your claims, that's what Trolls do!

I'll ignore the rest of your stammering, incoherent statement and discuss this portion in particular.

So you acknowledge that my example shows proof positive that IGN has said positive things about DS, contrary to your own statements, and that IGN says negative things about PSP... contrary to your own statements?

You do?

Good. So then you know you need to get quiet.

 

[CamHostage]

No other online sites had a problem with starting a DS channel soon after it was announced.

One way to run a business or another.

And what sites are these with special DS or PSP channels? GameSpot had one right away (which was still just a repository for old general articles and newsfeed bits - even without a DS channel, there were some DS features for fans on IGN like the iDeaS.) Who else big? Most sites don't have ANY channels for either system - lots of sites still dump it all in their Game Boy section (which hasn't been renamed since GBC.) Even Sony didn't have a real PSP section for a while - its game page is divided by PlayStation and PS2, but the PSP games are still all lumped on the PS2 page.

No the PSP had it's OWN channel as soon as it was announced.

And it needed it, right? Like I said, DS could sit on GBA's page, PSP couldn't do the same or else Nintendo fans with missing chromosomes would go nuts.

Nobody knew what the heck the DS was until E3 - there was a picture of the PSP months before. And not sure if you remember, but the PSP page was on that old small-size IGN, while every other site got that big front page. There was clearly time to plan, and reason to do it.

 

[MarkRyan]

Craig's about the best guy to put on the DS channel. He loves GBA stuff and he actually does love Nintendo DS.

This thread sounds like the obnoxious social minority asswipes that look for evidence of "suppression by da man" while ignoring everything positive thrown in their direction.

And as far as IGN having a DS site after the PSP site, there are a couple reasons. First, it was debated whether the DS should be covered on IGN GameBoy or IGN Cube or if it should get its own channel. And also was the fact that we didn't know shit about the DS until this past E3, while we've been shown the PSP since well before that. And if you recall Nintendo's initial PR on the DS, it was being touted as something "maybe only 10 percent of gamers will care about," while it was always obvious that Sony's intentions with PSP were to take over the handheld market. Until E3, DS might as well have been Virtual Boy 2.

 

[GDJustin]

DS PROTOTYPE MISSING FEATURES IN DEVELOPER SHOCKER
ONLY TWO DAYS OF POSITIVE FEELING TOWARDS THE DS REMAIN
ON DECEMBER 12 A NEW ERA IN PORTABLE ENTERTAINMENT BEGINS
ALL HAIL THE ONE PORTABLE CONSOLE FUTURE
PSP UBER ALLES

1st time... funny.

5th time... not so much.

 

[MrparisSM]

Craig's about the best guy to put on the DS channel. He loves GBA stuff and he actually does love Nintendo DS.

This thread sounds like the obnoxious social minority asswipes that look for evidence of "suppression by da man" while ignoring everything positive thrown in their direction.

And as far as IGN having a DS site after the PSP site, there are a couple reasons. First, it was debated whether the DS should be covered on IGN GameBoy or IGN Cube or if it should get its own channel. And also was the fact that we didn't know shit about the DS until this past E3, while we've been shown the PSP since well before that. And if you recall Nintendo's initial PR on the DS, it was being touted as something "maybe only 10 percent of gamers will care about," while it was always obvious that Sony's intentions with PSP were to take over the handheld market. Until E3, DS might as well have been Virtual Boy 2.

Cool, thanks for explaining that part.

I still don't find it professional to proclaim on the DS side that they should have waited to purchase the hardware and that the only reason the sales are so good is because of the holiday season. That's alienating the readers of that site, and you can clearly see the effect by the abundance of mail you guys have recieved reagarding it.

 

[MarkRyan]

That's alienating the readers of that site, and you can clearly see the effect by the abundance of mail you guys have recieved reagarding it.

And certain political commentators will no doubt anger their audience when they criticize the political camp they usually back. But it sure makes them a whole, whole lot more credible.

If you want to follow the Nintendo religion blindly then please continue here. If you want real journalistic commentary then I think Craig's doing a pretty good job.

 

[john tv]

Both of you need to shut up now with the insults, or you're both going to get quiet. For a long time.

 

[MrparisSM]

And certain political commentators will no doubt anger their audience when they criticize the political camp they usually back. But it sure makes them a whole, whole lot more credible.

If you want to follow the Nintendo religion blindly then please continue here. If you want real journalistic commentary then I think Craig's doing a pretty good job.

That's completely different in the sense, that if you were on a Democratic website, but the editor started trashing the party and proclaiming Republican to be the best thing, wouldn't you feel alienated and betrayed? If he doesn't particularly like the system and thinks the PSP is so much better, than he shouldn't be on the DS channel should he? Some of those comments just didn't make sense on a Nintendo DS site.

 

[MarkRyan]

That's completely different in the sense, that if you were on a Democratic website, but the editor started trashing the party and proclaiming Republican to be the best thing, wouldn't you feel alienated and betrayed? If he doesn't particularly like the system and thinks the PSP is so much better, than he shouldn't be on the DS channel should he? Some of those comments just didn't make sense on a Nintendo DS site.

Knowing Craig, I'm pretty certain that he much prefers the DS to the PSP. But since I see him every day, I don't feel like actually reading what he wrote--so I'll speculate. (This sort of attitude is what makes me a famous journalist.) He's not talking 100% opinion out his arse. He's throwing in some objective analysis, which is why it may seem--on the surface--that he's condemning the DS when he in fact has much love for the handheld, and much love for Nintendo.

 

[MrparisSM]

Knowing Craig, I'm pretty certain that he much prefers the DS to the PSP. But since I see him every day, I don't feel like actually reading what he wrote--so I'll speculate. (This sort of attitude is what makes me a famous journalist.) He's not talking 100% opinion out his arse. He's throwing in some objective analysis, which is why it may seem--on the surface--that he's condemning the DS when he in fact has much love for the handheld, and much love for Nintendo.

Of course I want objective opinions, but to have the PSP constantly thrown up in peoples face on the DS side is a bit much. I'm sure everyone there knows what the PSP is and it's capabilities, if those people prefer the DS and our happy with their purchase why try to make them feel bad about it? Why post all the negatives about the DS and then post all the positives about the PSP? It's no secret that the majority of IGN prefers the PSP(judging from the 4 out of 5 editors that chose the PSP in the DS vs PSP editorial), but no reason to shove that preference down DS owners throats on ign.ds.com

 

[Amir0x]

If you honestly feel bad about your purchase because a few precious internet editors have some problems with your hardware of choice then you pretty much don't deserve to have the Nintendo DS.

 

[MrparisSM]

If you honestly feel bad about your purchase because a few precious internet editors have some problems with your hardware of choice then you pretty much don't deserve to have the Nintendo DS.

I don't feel bad about my purchase at all. So your post is irrelevant. I did't come up with this thread out my ass, these are IGN readers that were upset about the things said on the site. I just posted it for all to see.

 

[MarkRyan]

if those people prefer the DS and our happy with their purchase why try to make them feel bad about it?

Dude, ds.ign.com is not a fan club for DS owners. Just the same that IGN PS2 isn't a PS2 fan club. And IGN Xbox isn't an Xbox fancl...er, nevermind that one.

IGN DS will cover the Nintendo DS as Craig sees it. I've already told you that he loves the Nintendo DS, are if you're still thinking he doesn't then it's your fault for putting too much emphasis on the wrong words.

 

[Amir0x]

I don't feel bad about my purchase at all. So your post is irrelevant. I did't come up with this thread out my ass, these are IGN readers that were upset about the things said on the site. I just posted it for all to see.

That's good. But see, it's one thing to make a thread saying "Man, there's a lot of stupid readers over there at IGN who obviously fail to read the vast majority of the articles at IGN, because they sure are angry due to several inconsequential comments by some person on the internet!"

It's quite another to say "See how obviously biased IGN is against DS!!!11 They Love PSP so much and toss it in the face of us DS fans and make us feel bad why do they do it its cruel just shut up about it man its ds.ign.com!!!"

But, hey, I'm open to some actual compelling evidence about how IGN is biased. You can't provide such evidence since it doesn't exist, but I'm just curious to see what you perceive as proof. So far everything you have posted about it proves the opposite.

 

[MrparisSM]

That's good. But see, it's one thing to make a thread saying "Man, there's a lot of stupid readers over there at IGN who obviously fail to read the vast majority of the articles at IGN, because they sure are angry due to several inconsequential comments by some person on the internet!"

It's quite another to say "See how obviously biased IGN is against DS!!!11 They Love PSP so much and toss it in the face of us DS fans and make us feel bad why do they do it its cruel just shut up about it man its ds.ign.com!!!"

But, hey, I'm open to some actual compelling evidence about how IGN is biased. You can't provide such evidence since it doesn't exist, but I'm just curious to see what you perceive as proof. So far everything you have posted about it proves the opposite.

Ok, I'll entertain this for a second. And this is off the top of my head.

1. The DS channel was not up the same time the PSP channel was.(Say what you will about covering the DS on the GBA channel. But new hardware deserveds it's own channel, point blank.) The excuse given at the time was just that they "were working on it".... which turned into months before the official site was up. This was a hint.

2. PSP not only won "Best of E3" over the DS, but 4 out of 5 editors chose the PSP over the DS in the "DS vs PSP" editorial. This was another Hint.

3. The editorial on the DS launch in Japan.

We'd describe the Japanese DS launch as boring. Then again, we presume we'll look back upon it fondly next week when we're fighting off crowds to get one of the few available PSP units (major retailers Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera have announced that they won't be taking pre-orders for the system). Stay tuned to IGNPSP for launch coverage of a different flavor on 12/12.

Not only did the article have a negative spin, but the official sales of the hardware are anything but "uneventful" as this editorial implies.

4. The Konami DW vs DW piece. http://psp.ign.com/articles/562/562979p1.html
The developers mentioned it was difficult to develop on the PSP and that they are having problems with the technical abilities of the system AND the development tools. IGN was Quick to damage control the statements, put a quick spin on it as if everything is all rosy.

5. The comments that were made to actually owners and fans of the DS by the editors over at ign.ds.com which I've already posted some in my first post.

Of course I already know you are going to not agree with any of these points. And they are just my view on things. I could be(and hopefully so) wrong. But to me these things have to be stemming from somewhere..... Also these are not the first posts by IGN that have condemned Nintendo if you've kept up on things lately.

 

[Kseutron]

Who's on the Anti-Nintendo list so far?
IGN
Gamespot
Famitsu
Gamespy

anyone else?

1up, definetly

 

[krypt0nian]

No bad write ups on IGN PSP on the ludicrous load times that have been reported in the last few days....hmmmm?

 

[Amir0x]

1. The DS channel was not up the same time the PSP channel was.(Say what you will about covering the DS on the GBA channel. But new hardware deserveds it's own channel, point blank.) The excuse given at the time was just that they "were working on it".... which turned into months before the official site was up. This was a hint.

Ok, but it has already been demonstrated like fifteen times within this very thread that the reason for this was very clear cut and entailed no ill blood toward DS at all.

2. PSP not only won "Best of E3" over the DS, but 4 out of 5 editors chose the PSP over the DS in the "DS vs PSP" editorial. This was another Hint.

So, let me get this straight. Each editor is a unique individual. In order for you not to consider them biased or preferential, what would they have needed to do? I don't know where the link is for them proclaiming PSP was the "Best of E3", but if they DID have to choose a best of E3... would they have needed to choose Nintendo DS for you NOT to consider them biased?

What about those 4 out of 5 editors that choose PSP in the second round? Would 4 out of 5 of them need to pick DS for you not to consider them biased? What about 2 out of 5 of them? Or 3 out of 5? What would make them free from guilt in your eyes?

Should the editor tell these unique individuals what they should prefer in order to make the site "squeaky clean" for hilariously retarded Nintendo fanboys? You don't think there's something just a TAD bit wrong with surpressing opinions in an editorial? You know, that whole freedom of speech thing...

But, that's right, nobody could LEGITIMATELY feel the PSP was better than the DS... only biased people could do that!

3. The editorial on the DS launch in Japan.

Not only did the article have a negative spin, but the official sales of the hardware are anything but "uneventful" as this editorial implies.

You can read, right? They visited what is usually one of the busiest areas of Japan during a videogame system launch. And it was boring! They gave a first hand account of it being boring, along with pictures. Just because there were significantly bigger lines at other parts of Japan is irrelevant. What they were giving were first hand accounts, and they did not lie about what they saw at all. But I guess you would have preferred that they LIE about how eventful the launch was in order to appease your sensitive nature?

Here's an idea: Stop being so sensitive. They called it like they saw it. What they said was true; where they were it WAS boring. This is the same place they went for every launch, and guess what... other times... it wasn't boring. So what do you think they should have wrote? Stop being so naive.

4. The Konami DW vs DW piece. http://psp.ign.com/articles/562/562979p1.html
The developers mentioned it was difficult to develop on the PSP and that they are having problems with the technical abilities of the system AND the development tools. IGN was Quick to damage control the statements, put a quick spin on it as if everything is all rosy.

Uh...I just read that article... and I have no idea what you're talking about. So I'll just skip this bit of insanity.

5. The comments that were made to actually owners and fans of the DS by the editors over at ign.ds.com which I've already posted some in my first post.

So let's see... people who are visiting ds.ign.com to find out whether or not DS is worth purchasing... there should be no people there to give them what they feel is honest perspective on whether or not to purchase a system? What you're suggesting is that IGN DS should pretty much be a fansite run by fanboys, which provides all the true spin of Baghdad Bob.

People who visit the website deserve to be treated with the maturity of adults who understand that these are major purchases and there are major things to consider when you're going to invest. It's unfortunate that Nintendo fanboys at DS IGN consistently prove how mentally handicapped they are, but that should not in any way affect the editorial content from IGN.

Of course I already know you are going to not agree with any of these points. And they are just my view on things. I could be(and hopefully so) wrong. But to me these things have to be stemming from somewhere..... Also these are not the first posts by IGN that have condemned Nintendo if you've kept up on things lately.

Of course I'm not going to agree with it because it's all baseless.

Anyway, I hope you can understand in the future what it actually means to be biased.

No bad write ups on IGN PSP on the ludicrous load times that have been reported in the last few days....hmmmm?

There have been write ups on IGN about the PSP loading times.

 

[JackFrost2012]

It's not Nintendo I hate - it's their fan club.

 

[Triumph]

Jesus H. Fuck.

Shit like this is what makes the Gaming forum useless, by and large.

"OMG X reviewer/site doesn't like my platform/game but instead prefers this other platform/game! I'll start a thread about the injustice at GA!"

Seriously, MrparisSM. You have no more credibility. We get it: you like Nintendo, and ESPECIALLY the DS. You don't think the PSP is such hot shit. Well guess what? Lots of people disagree with you.

Christ. I can't wait until the PSP unveils so we can have this horseshit over with. Ugh, you people really are half evolved if this is how you spend your time.

 

[tetsuoxb]

Attention to all those with short term memory problems: IGN was the first to report the load times.

 

[MrparisSM]

Ok, but it has already been demonstrated like fifteen times within this very thread that the reason for this was very clear cut and entailed no ill blood toward DS at all.

It hasn't be "demonstrated" at all. It's all opinion. None of us truely know the motives behind them not having a DS channel for so long. And if it was ill blood do you think they'd admit to it? :lol

So, let me get this straight. Each editor is a unique individual. In order for you not to consider them biased or preferential, what would they have needed to do? I don't know where the link is for them proclaiming PSP was the "Best of E3", but if they DID have to choose a best of E3... would they have needed to choose Nintendo DS for you NOT to consider them biased?

What about those 4 out of 5 editors that choose PSP in the second round? Would 4 out of 5 of them need to pick DS for you not to consider them biased? What about 2 out of 5 of them? Or 3 out of 5? What would make them free from guilt in your eyes?

Should the editor tell these unique individuals what they should prefer in order to make the site "squeaky clean" for hilariously retarded Nintendo fanboys? You don't think there's something just a TAD bit wrong with surpressing opinions in an editorial? You know, that whole freedom of speech thing...

But, that's right, nobody could LEGITIMATELY feel the PSP was better than the DS... only biased people could do that!

I said this was a HINT. I will never be able to blatently show biased. They aren't stupid, but like I've stated in my original posts, they negative spin most things DS and praise everything PSP.

You can read, right? They visited what is usually one of the busiest areas of Japan during a videogame system launch. And it was boring! They gave a first hand account of it being boring, along with pictures. Just because there were significantly bigger lines at other parts of Japan is irrelevant. What they were giving were first hand accounts, and they did not lie about what they saw at all. But I guess you would have preferred that they LIE about how eventful the launch was in order to appease your sensitive nature?

Here's an idea: Stop being so sensitive. They called it like they saw it. What they said was true; where they were it WAS boring. This is the same place they went for every launch, and guess what... other times... it wasn't boring. So what do you think they should have wrote? Stop being so naive.

Once again you've missed the point.

"Then again, we presume we'll look back upon it fondly next week when we're fighting off crowds to get one of the few available PSP units (major retailers Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera have announced that they won't be taking pre-orders for the system). Stay tuned to IGNPSP for launch coverage of a different flavor on 12/12."

This was all stated in the DS LAUNCH THREAD EDITORIAL. you don't see a problem with this!?

Uh...I just read that article... and I have no idea what you're talking about. So I'll just skip this bit of insanity.

Just for get it.

So let's see... people who are visiting ds.ign.com to find out whether or not DS is worth purchasing... there should be no people there to give them what they feel is honest perspective on whether or not to purchase a system? What you're suggesting is that IGN DS should pretty much be a fansite run by fanboys, which provides all the true spin of Baghdad Bob.

People who visit the website deserve to be treated with the maturity of adults who understand that these are major purchases and there are major things to consider when you're going to invest. It's unfortunate that Nintendo fanboys at DS IGN consistently prove how mentally handicapped they are, but that should not in any way affect the editorial content from IGN.

I never said that. IGN is obviously biased against the DS and prefer the PSP(there is PSP vs DS results). But the problem lies in that the PSP is being praised on the DS channel, and the stellar sales being attributed to "oh it's just the holidays that's all " Even if this wasn't ign.ds.com I would have considered that statement biased. But since it is that site I think it's undisputable proof!

Of course I'm not going to agree with it because it's all baseless.

Anyway, I hope you can understand in the future what it actually means to be biased.

baseless? Okay, moving on.

There have been write ups on IGN about the PSP loading times.

Yes there are write-ups, but they are sugar-coated as is all things PSP.

 

[MrparisSM]

Jesus H. Fuck.

Shit like this is what makes the Gaming forum useless, by and large.

"OMG X reviewer/site doesn't like my platform/game but instead prefers this other platform/game! I'll start a thread about the injustice at GA!"

Seriously, MrparisSM. You have no more credibility. We get it: you like Nintendo, and ESPECIALLY the DS. You don't think the PSP is such hot shit. Well guess what? Lots of people disagree with you.

Christ. I can't wait until the PSP unveils so we can have this horseshit over with. Ugh, you people really are half evolved if this is how you spend your time.

Actually I'm getting a PSP on launch day. I'm just reporting what I see. And obviously a whole bunch of others see or their mailbox wouldn't be getting flooded like it is.

 

[DSN2K]

specs mean nothing, you guys should know this by now following sales so much.

 

[DDayton]

As a FidoNet user back in 1993/94/95, I can confirm that things were this bad back then. The only difference was that the newbies talked exclusively about Mortal Kombat.

 

[Vallarfax]

As it is pretty evident that IGN hates nintendo.....where can I go for all the release dates/reviews for all systems, other than ign?

 

[Elios83]

Wasn't IGN the last fucking place to even have a DS channel??? Didn't they have a PSP channel months before the DS channel?? What is up with this? Do you think the wrong guy is over the DS site? Do you think IGN could be riding Sony's cock and slyly giving a negative spin on the DS every chance they get(even on the DS site mind you.) I for one love my DS and could care less what this idiot thinks. It's just sad that a arrogant asshole like this is running the DS channel. : /

Maybe IGN just think that...

 

[Deg]

Is it surprising given how the gaming media acts with GBA? :lol

The gaming media has zero control over the GBA userbase. Ever noticed why there are no GBA mags?

 

[Vennt]

As it is pretty evident that IGN hates nintendo.....where can I go for all the release dates/reviews for all systems, other than ign?

Might I suggest:

www.nothingnintendodoeswarrantscriticism.com
and
www.iwanttobespoonfedhappythoughts.com

They're not quiet up yet, but give it time, they are probably the only place you're going to find news that suits you.

 

[Deg]

No matter what you say he is absolutely right about the treatment of GBA by mags. The reason why he is shocked is because many hardcore gamers do care about DS and PSP coverage and he is only just realizing it when it has been this way for a long time.