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IMDB has a 'Top 250 TV Shows' list

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Ignore anything from after 2010. A few years reflection is needed to fairly judge any show/movie, and anything that hasn't finished airing shouldn't be allowed on the list anyway.
 

Hari Seldon

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#1 is correct haha.

What is this though?

32. I, Claudius (1976) 8.9

Anyone ever see this? I read the book and never knew they made a TV Show.
 

nortonff

Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
The Sopranos should be number 1.
 

Sober

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Yep, that's a list based on user ratings. I'm out. There's more legitimacy in an IGN top 10 list than this.
 

Linus

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#1 is correct haha.

What is this though?

32. I, Claudius (1976) 8.9

Anyone ever see this? I read the book and never knew they made a TV Show.

I saw this a long time ago. I remember thinking the performances were very good and it was highly rated by critics at the time, but I don't remember much else. I think I'll rewatch this soon.
 

bobawesome

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Seinfeld at a paltry 36 while Game of Thrones is 4? Yeah...sure.

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Wouldn't you consider The Simpsons one of the greatest shows of all time despite the last 8 billion seasons being trash?

No. That's dumb logic. It's similar to when The Wire is praised as the best but when the crappy parts of the show are brought up people go, "the other stuff is amazing and it is great commentary on society". Who cares? You have a bunch of crappy content.
 
Yeah, saw tgis earlier today and I'm glad they finally put it together to view easily. Of course Twin Peaks being at 34th is absurd when it's clearly the greatest TV show ever made, but what can ya do.
 

Frog-fu

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Why wouldn't you? That's what they are.

I don't know why, I just never consider them. I filter them out whenever I'm talking about TV.

Why? You don't consider The Simpsons (early), The Critic, Dr. Katz, South Park, King of the Hill, etc...quality shows?

I should have clarified, I meant stuff like DBZ and Avatar. I don't consider those the same as other animated show like The Simpsons, King of the Hill, etc. - which I then also always exclude from discussions like "best show on TV" and such. It's just how my brain does it.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wouldn't you consider The Simpsons one of the greatest shows of all time despite the last 8 billion seasons being trash?

checkmate.

I'm not arguing it being on the list.

I'm arguing it having a score that high. I consider Arrested Development one of the greatest shows of all time. I just find it's score of 9.0 ludicrous when an entire quarter of the show (if not more) is terrible.

I guess I don't see what's so hard to understand.
 

pablito

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It's community rated right? You don't have to be this salty over a list that's essentially listing the common and current favorites.
 

Jonm1010

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No. That's dumb logic. It's similar to when The Wire is praised as the best but when the crappy parts of the show are brought up people go, "the other stuff is amazing and it is great commentary on society". Who cares? You have a bunch of crappy content.
A bunch of crappy content? Where? Season 2? Because season 2 is great. The last season? It's still better then 98% of any other season ever made.

There is not a single multi-season show in existence that is perfect from start to finish. Not one. TV is the sum of its parts and should also be taken in context and measured in terms of "compared to what" when ranking.

For instance The Simpsons was one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. Why? Because it's original group of talent delivered a period of TV that was unrivaled. The show has since gone on to be a corpse of itself using the same name and a mostly very different group of writers that have since mostly ruined the show but the show itself, in context, is one of the greatest pieces of comedy ever on TV.

Based on the logic you are using a show like The Simpsosn should be thrown in the trash heap based on how many poor seasons it had.
 
It's community rated right? You don't have to be this salty over a list that's essentially listing the common and current favorites.

People probably like the feeling that their opinion is somehow worth more than everyone else's. I wouldn't take the list at face value personally as a way to seriously rank the quality of shows but it's a good starting point for finding new/popular shows - as a few people have said, it's a good snapshot of the current TV landscape.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Just realized "The Andy Griffith Show" isn't anywhere on the list.

Absolute joke.
 

Jonm1010

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I'm not arguing it being on the list.

I'm arguing it having a score that high. I consider Arrested Development one of the greatest shows of all time. I just find it's score of 9.0 ludicrous when an entire quarter of the show (if not more) is terrible.

I guess I don't see what's so hard to understand.
Because the fact it is one of the greatest shows of all time overshadows the fact it had a poor epilogue season years after the fact when no one could properly commit to the show as it needed to be.

Same with The Simpsons. Where context explains that when the core of the shows backbone left it never recovered.
 
A bunch of crappy content? Where? Season 2? Because season 2 is great. The last season? It's still better then 98% of any other season ever made.

There is not a single multi-season show in existence that is perfect from start to finish. Not one. TV is the sum of its parts and should also be taken in context and measured in terms of "compared to what" when ranking.

For instance The Simpsons was one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. Why? Because it's original group of talent delivered a period of TV that was unrivaled. The show has since gone on to be a corpse of itself using the same name and a mostly very different group of writers that have since mostly ruined the show but the show itself, in context, is one of the greatest pieces of comedy ever on TV.

Based on the logic you are using a show like The Simpsosn should be thrown in the trash heap based on how many poor seasons it had.

Not saying it should be thrown in the trash heap, you're being hyperbolic, there. If you can't keep quality consistent then you lose favor when you put out poor episodes or seasons like the last season of The Wire. The Shield gets flak for having one of the poorer first seasons (especially the child pornography episode). You also get characters staying relatively the same throughout (Vic). I would put Breaking Bad over The Shield and The Wire because it's more consistent with its quality and the quality tends to be top notch. You can still hold The Wire in high regard but you still have to be honest about the overall quality--it did wane.

Because the fact it is one of the greatest shows of all time overshadows the fact it had a poor epilogue season years after the fact when no one could properly commit to the show as it needed to be.

Same with The Simpsons. Where context explains that when the core of the shows backbone left it never recovered.

It's continuation of the show. It's part of Arrested Development. That season may not lower the quality of the other seasons but it does bring down the overall quality of the show down. You see this argument used to ignore Scrubs med school season. It does exist. It did poorly. It's still part of the overall show whether you want to use some weird logic to ignore the criticisms.
 
Just by the looks of it, the list is as much of a populist- and fanboy-pandering joke as their film list. "Breaking Bad" and "Game of Thrones" in the Top 5, "The Prisoner" all the way down at 105? Laughable.
 

Jonm1010

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Not saying it should be thrown in the trash heap, you're being hyperbolic, there. If you can't keep quality consistent then you lose favor when you put out poor episodes or seasons like the last season of The Wire. The Shield gets flak for having one of the poorer first seasons (especially the child pornography episode). You also get characters staying relatively the same throughout (Vic). I would put Breaking Bad over The Shield and The Wire because it's more consistent with its quality and the quality tends to be top notch. You can still hold The Wire in high regard but you still have to be honest about the overall quality--it did wane.



It's continuation of the show. It's part of Arrested Development. That season may not lower the quality of the other seasons but it does bring down the overall quality of the show down. You see this argument used to ignore Scrubs med school season. It does exist. It did poorly. It's still part of the overall show whether you want to use some weird logic to ignore the criticisms.

You are yet to explain where this huge quality dip in The Wire is? And BB is not even on the same level as The Wire. It has one great character, another decent one in Jessie toward the end, good plot writing, above average dialogue and a poor supporting cast and poor characters and character development most of the series(outside Walt). Mad Men and The Wire both wipe the floor with BB in terms of writing, character development, plot, acting, dialogue and overall consistency. BB is a consistently overall good show with constant flaws from start to finish but that doesn't make it an overall better show then true greats like The Wire, Mad Men, The Sopranos, Band of Brothers or Deadwood.

Love the show and it was a fun ride but you are going to have to do better then unsubstantiated assertions to make an argument stick. And I have yet to read one that effectively makes the case that BB is superior to The Wire. Take away Bryan Cranston's performance and the show would have a hard time standing on its own in thee elite category. Take away any one performance in The Wire and you still have arguably the best show in TV history.
 
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