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[gokurho]

US LTD

July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)


July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)


July 2009
360 15.68 m (YTD 1.82 m)
PS3 8.03 m (YTD 1.24 m)


YTD 2023 (US+UK+JAP+SPA)
PS5 5.41 m
X/S 1.86 m

YTD 2023 Germany
PS5 10
X/S 1

YTD 2023 Italy
PS5 +283% yoy
X|S -23% yoy

This is nonsense.
How about "engagement"?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Some context...

US LTD

July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)

PS5 = 57%, XS = 43% after under 3 years.

July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)

PS4 = 54%, XB1 = 46%

 

[DenchDeckard]

There is this pipe dream that all these units are going to sell due to starfield is going to leave a lot of people disappointed. The most sales of this game are going to be on PC where it isn't locked to 30 fps and has easier access to the modding community.




It isn't going to sell more than the X1... And it won't be close. 2024 is going to be a very difficult year for Xbox, more so than 2023.

Why would 2024 be worse for Microsoft?

say, if they do get a banger game out every quarter. Why would it be worse than this year? they will grab the momentum of Starfield and could carry it into next year? If they did that they will absolutely sell better than this year where theyve sold very little for 9 months of the year.

 

[jroc74]

Tried what last gen? The xbox one was a mess from the start. The series X is actually a great console with no kinect bullshit and TV, TV, TV. We've had covid mess up a lot of stuff. I mean we haven't heard anything about new games from quite a lot of studios for a while. Microsoft COULD start hitting their stride now and turn it around, or they wont and they will be worse of than xbox one. Which would be catastrophic for them.

So you don't think the gen where they introduced Game Pass, their BC initiative, the One X was them trying?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Tried what last gen? The xbox one was a mess from the start. The series X is actually a great console with no kinect bullshit and TV, TV, TV. We've had covid mess up a lot of stuff. I mean we haven't heard anything about new games from quite a lot of studios for a while. Microsoft COULD start hitting their stride now and turn it around, or they wont and they will be worse of than xbox one. Which would be catastrophic for them.

Xbox One imo had a better exclusive line-up in the first few years than PS4. Just look at these 1st and 2nd party games: Forza Horizon 2, Forza Motorsport 5, Son of Rome, Ori and the Blind Forest, Halo MCC, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, Halo 5 Guardians, Rise of the Tomb Raider (console exclusive for a period of time), Quantum Break. I'm probably missing a few here, but these were all in the first 3 years of the system on the market.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Why would 2024 be worse for Microsoft?

say, if they do get a banger game out every quarter. Why would it be worse than this year? they will grab the momentum of Starfield and could carry it into next year? If they did that they will absolutely sell better than this year where theyve sold very little for 9 months of the year.

Depends if sales are on a downward trend or not.

 

[Pelta88]

Xbox One was absolutely not a catastrophe in the US. It sold very well and was competitive with the PS4 for a long time.

Wait... What?

From roughly 86 million 360's to 52 million XB1s is a catastrophe. Tracking an additional 10% below the 32 million fall in instal in your current gen, is also a catastrophe. Don't believe me? Listen to Phil Spencer talk about how, in addition, the XBOX one Gen was the "Worst possible generation to lose."

Numbers do not lie. But just in case you need additional receipts...

Online/Print.

Microsoft’s Xbox chief thinks losing the Xbox One generation was “the worst generation to lose”

Microsoft’s gaming strategy is bigger than Xbox consoles.

www.theverge.com

Audio/Visual

 

[MisterXDTV]

The point is the Xbox brand is dead as a console.

Even if they release great games in the next 2 years, people don't need an Xbox console to play them: it's all on GamePass Ultimate Day 1 so on PC/cloud as well

Why do Nintendo and Sony sell so much? Simple, you won't find their games anywhere else on Day 1 and they don't give a fuck about subscriptions

 

[Robb]

That’s rough.

This pretty much feels like Xbox going in to this gen:

 

[Heisenberg007]

That’s rough.

This pretty much feels like Xbox going in to this gen:

I'd argue that they actually started really well this generation. At least they had lots of positive vibes (with Game Pass and Bethesda's acquisition announced a day before XBS preorders went live), and excellent PR and marketing.

They got super lucky because of COVID and the subsequent PS5 shortages.

They just failed to capitalize on a golden chance.

 

[Mr Moose]

Wait... What?

From roughly 86 million 360's to 52 million XB1s is a catastrophe. Tracking an additional 10% below the 32 million fall in instal in your current gen, is also a catastrophe. Don't believe me? Listen to Phil Spencer talk about how, in addition, the XBOX one Gen was the "Worst possible generation to lose."

Numbers do not lie. But just in case you need additional receipts...

Online/Print.

Microsoft’s Xbox chief thinks losing the Xbox One generation was “the worst generation to lose”

Microsoft’s gaming strategy is bigger than Xbox consoles.

www.theverge.com

Audio/Visual

This is US only for the first 3 years, it's Xbox's largest market and One did well against PS4. Half of their WW sales were from US (or something like that).
It's bad for the Series consoles.

 

[Woopah]

Wait... What?

From roughly 86 million 360's to 52 million XB1s is a catastrophe. Tracking an additional 10% below the 32 million fall in instal in your current gen, is also a catastrophe. Don't believe me? Listen to Phil Spencer talk about how, in addition, the XBOX one Gen was the "Worst possible generation to lose."

Numbers do not lie. But just in case you need additional receipts...

Online/Print.

Microsoft’s Xbox chief thinks losing the Xbox One generation was “the worst generation to lose”

Microsoft’s gaming strategy is bigger than Xbox consoles.

www.theverge.com

Audio/Visual

All those numbers are for worldwide, not the US.

As this very thread shows, the Xbox One sold better in its first 2.5 years in the US than the 360 did.

And in the 2nd half of its third year (2016) the Xbox One outsold the PS4 in the US.

The numbers do not lie, and those US numbers are not catastrophic.

 

[Robb]

I'd argue that they actually started really well this generation

Sure, Homer does look happy in the beginning!

 

[gokurho]

Wait... What?

From roughly 86 million 360's to 52 million XB1s is a catastrophe. Tracking an additional 10% below the 32 million fall in instal in your current gen, is also a catastrophe. Don't believe me? Listen to Phil Spencer talk about how, in addition, the XBOX one Gen was the "Worst possible generation to lose."

Numbers do not lie. But just in case you need additional receipts...

Online/Print.

Microsoft’s Xbox chief thinks losing the Xbox One generation was “the worst generation to lose”

Microsoft’s gaming strategy is bigger than Xbox consoles.

www.theverge.com

Audio/Visual

MS does not focus on the number of units sold.
Phil doesn't care about that

 

[Zok310]

2 gen in a row of falling behind, folks think next gen will be diffrent?

 

[H-I-M]

US LTD

July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)


July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)


July 2009
360 15.68 m (YTD 1.82 m)
PS3 8.03 m (YTD 1.24 m)


YTD 2023 (US+UK+JAP+SPA)
PS5 5.41 m
X/S 1.86 m

YTD 2023 Germany
PS5 10
X/S 1

YTD 2023 Italy
PS5 +283% yoy
X|S -23% yoy

Thanks God Messiah/Game Of A Generation Starfield is right around the corner and will give the Xbox that 200000% boost it desperately needs, cause..

 

[Sethbacca]

Wait... What?

From roughly 86 million 360's to 52 million XB1s is a catastrophe. Tracking an additional 10% below the 32 million fall in instal in your current gen, is also a catastrophe. Don't believe me? Listen to Phil Spencer talk about how, in addition, the XBOX one Gen was the "Worst possible generation to lose."

Numbers do not lie. But just in case you need additional receipts...

Online/Print.

Microsoft’s Xbox chief thinks losing the Xbox One generation was “the worst generation to lose”

Microsoft’s gaming strategy is bigger than Xbox consoles.

www.theverge.com

Audio/Visual

I feel like all of this doesn't even take into account that the size of the market to sell into is increasing exponentially as we 80s kids that grew up gamers had kids that are now also having kids of their own (repeat ad infinitum). So the share of market went down while the size of market went up massively.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

10% below the catastrophe that was XBOX One?

And with an entry console that costs 300$.

If someone told me this 3 years ago i wouldn’t believe it tbh

 

[Heisenberg007]

US LTD

July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)


July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)


July 2009
360 15.68 m (YTD 1.82 m)
PS3 8.03 m (YTD 1.24 m)


YTD 2023 (US+UK+JAP+SPA)
PS5 5.41 m
X/S 1.86 m

YTD 2023 Germany
PS5 10
X/S 1

YTD 2023 Italy
PS5 +283% yoy
X|S -23% yoy

 

[MasterCornholio]

And with an entry console that costs 300$.

If someone told me this 3 years ago i wouldn’t believe it tbh

Yeah having the cheapest console and the most powerful one plus gamepass seemed like a winning strategy at the time. People expected them to do much better than with the One possible even be close to PlayStation in terms of sales.

I know people say games are the problem but I'm wondering if the issue is much deeper than that.

 

[Hudo]

Want me to list out the new IPs Sony has brought to market since then?

I mean I won't stop you (not that it would take that long tbh). Microsoft and (maybe to a lesser degree Nintendo) also brought new shit to the market as well. My point is that Microsoft seem more invested in at least attempting to do something with their legacy shit than Sony are.

I keep saying: I will genuinely consider buying a PS5 and getting into Sony's shitty ecosystem if they bring back Motorstorm.

 

[Horseganador]

Xbox has been very lucky with the lack of PS5 stock for more than two years, otherwise the sales massacre would be even greater.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[PropellerEar]

10% below the catastrophe that was XBOX One?

 

[StereoVsn]

Tried what last gen? The xbox one was a mess from the start. The series X is actually a great console with no kinect bullshit and TV, TV, TV. We've had covid mess up a lot of stuff. I mean we haven't heard anything about new games from quite a lot of studios for a while. Microsoft COULD start hitting their stride now and turn it around, or they wont and they will be worse of than xbox one. Which would be catastrophic for them.

Personally I think overall MS is bad at studio management. Hence the current situation and constant delays. Well, and Redfall.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I mean I won't stop you (not that it would take that long tbh). Microsoft and (maybe to a lesser degree Nintendo) also brought new shit to the market as well. My point is that Microsoft seem more invested in at least attempting to do something with their legacy shit than Sony are.

I keep saying: I will genuinely consider buying a PS5 and getting into Sony's shitty ecosystem if they bring back Motorstorm.

I'm not sure but it seems like Sony is handling the PS5 correctly. Doesn't seem like their ecosystem or their BC system is the problem here.

 

[Pelta88]

I feel like all of this doesn't even take into account that the size of the market to sell into is increasing exponentially as we 80s kids that grew up gamers had kids that are now also having kids of their own (repeat ad infinitum). So the share of market went down while the size of market went up massively.

Crucially, it also sides steps the pandemic lockdowns.

A period where consoles/platform literally had a captive audience. A period Nintendo and PS capitalized on to build / spin extra momentum & mindshare and then slingshot into pent-up demand once the proverbial and literal lockdown gates were opened... But to ask why Microsoft is down quarter after quarter is way too much for some. They'd rather cling onto caveats like "These specific stats are USA only."

Personally, I haven't got the heart to explain to them what's happening to XBOX beyond the US, Especially here in Europe...

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Btw, this tweet from Chris just shows how big of a monster the 360 was back then in the US.

 

[iamvin22]

Starfield might help move some consoles

How? According to Xbox you don't even need a console to play starfield

 

[Alebrije]

Meanwhile Nintendo :

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This is also something we should talk about more. Most subscription services are stalling or decreasing. Gamepass won't be an exception as well. Sony did those different PSPlus tiers because they were stalling with new subscribers as well, so they had to find a way to get more money from the subscribers they had on their eco-system.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Meanwhile Nintendo :

I wonder what the numbers are launch aligned. Anyone know what the Switch did with the same time on the market as the other two?

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Great thread to teach people that % without context is useless

 

[DenchDeckard]

Some context...

PS5 = 57%, XS = 43% after under 3 years.

PS4 = 54%, XB1 = 46%

This is great data. MS needs to pull back 1.26 million. The Xbox one started to nose dive from this point, I believe. With some great games they can do it I believe and still have all the additional growth from PC and gamepass.

Xbox One imo had a better exclusive line-up in the first few years than PS4. Just look at these 1st and 2nd party games: Forza Horizon 2, Forza Motorsport 5, Son of Rome, Ori and the Blind Forest, Halo MCC, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, Halo 5 Guardians, Rise of the Tomb Raider (console exclusive for a period of time), Quantum Break. I'm probably missing a few here, but these were all in the first 3 years of the system on the market.

It definitely had a better line up than ps4 even, but the 720p talk and weaker hardware plus the TV,TV,TV stuff completely tarnished the consoles chances.

Btw, this tweet from Chris just shows how big of a monster the 360 was back then in the US.

360 was a behemoth in the US and absolutely decimated the PS3. It will take Sony to do a royal fuck up for them with PS6 or whatever to have that happen again.

 

[Humdinger]

Hw do we know Xbox sales numbers? I thought they hid them?

 

[Heisenberg007]

I wonder what the numbers are launch aligned. Anyone know what the Switch did with the same time on the market as the other two?

I'm not 100% sure if I'm remembering the right report, but I think, launch aligned, it was:

1. PS5 (42 million)
2. Nintendo Switch (~40.5 million)
3. Xbox (~21-22 million)

 

[jroc74]

I wonder what the numbers are launch aligned. Anyone know what the Switch did with the same time on the market as the other two?

Exactly, because the Switch didn't launch in 2020.

One would have to include PS4 and XBO consoles if using when the Switch launched.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Hw do we know Xbox sales numbers? I thought they hid them?

They hide the S/X split...

 

[Crispy Gamer]

I wonder how far behind the Series consoles are worldwide compared to the Xbox one

 

[Heisenberg007]

They hide the S/X split...

They hide the S/X split as well as the total sales numbers.

This data comes from a combination of leaked information, applying YoY increase or decrease percentages, and industry analyst reports.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm not 100% sure if I'm remembering the right report, but I think, launch aligned, it was:

1. PS5 (42 million)
2. Nintendo Switch (~40.5 million)
3. Xbox (~21-22 million)

That's pretty interesting to see. I kind of knew the PS5 and Switch were close launch aligned. No idea what Microsoft is doing with the Series. It really puzzles me on why it isn't much closer to the other two.

 

[bender]

They hide the S/X split as well as the total sales numbers.

This data comes from a combination of leaked information, applying YoY increase or decrease percentages, and industry analyst reports.

I just want to know the splits.

 

[phaedrus]

Damn, is this in 120fps?

 

[Dcr1d3r]

Can't quite believe how much traction MS has lost since 360...but fair play to Sony.

It's not impossible but MS has to pull a fair few rabbits out the hat to claw their way back to where they once we're!

 

[OmegaSupreme]

MS does not focus on the number of units sold.
Phil doesn't care about that

You still need hardware to play the games. Streaming has not taken off yet. Even then game pass has plateaued. It's another failure of a gen from ms

 

[solidus12]

At least you tried.

 

[Woopah]

I just want to know the splits.

Unfortunately Circsna doesn't provide model splits for the US, and neither Microsoft nor Sony provide model splits worldwide.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

At least you tried.

Jesus Christ. How is this guy still working?

 

[MasterCornholio]

At least you tried.

I don't get this.

How does the author think he's going to change the current situation?

 

[bender]

I don't get this.

How does the author think he's going to change the current situation?