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Independence Day:Resurgence|SPOILER THREAD|Today we celebrate our idenpendendneys day

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Fixed2BeBroken

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JasonV said:
She was there along with the accountant from Batman to pander to the Chinese market, along with the few Chinese spoken lines.
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stating the obvious, but what I said still applies and is a fact as well

legacyzero said:
Jesus Christ, the hyperbole in this thread.
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NO, not hyperbole. It's no wonder why so many reviewers are echoing what I stated. Hell, the video posted in this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWG8gWRtZ9c&feature=share, is literally saying the SAME shit I said after seeing the movie with my friends and in my post. It's not some coincidence that it has so many shit reviews AND it's bombing at the box office.

This movie is bad as it gets. The worst movie i have seen not only this year, but in YEARS.

and i IGNORED reviews before seeing it. I gave it a chance. I didn't read ONE review. And as soon as the Asian General (in the very beginning of the movie), with vast experience, was yelling at the young white hot shot arrogant pilot to "COME BACK" and to let the Thing fall and kill him and everyone.....while the hot shot arrogant pilot was going to try to put the large cannon back into place, then the general gets mad at him for saving everyone while not having the wisdom and foresight to just let him do his thing to save everyone and commend him afterwards....I knew we were in for a shit show. Just terribly written characters and tropes.
brandonh83 said:
I was going "alright, fair enough" through your post until this :p

The movie has problems yeah but I was at least entertained, which is something BVS failed to do in every which way.
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Exact opposite for me. EXACT opposite. I feel like this movie was trying to insult my intelligence. This shit was Appalling.

Independence day audience score 40

Batman vs Superman audience score 66

Guess I'm not alone with this opinion.


When your movie is Critically shit, and Audience shit....it's REALLY shit.
 
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legacyzero

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Fixed2BeBroken said:
stating the obvious, but what I said still applies and is a fact as well




NO, not hyperbole. It's no wonder why so many reviewers are echoing what I stated. Hell, the video posted in this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWG8gWRtZ9c&feature=share, is literally saying the SAME shit I said after seeing the movie with my friends and in my post. It's not some coincidence that it has so many shit reviews AND it's bombing at the box office.

This movie is bad as it gets. The worst movie i have seen not only this year, but in YEARS.

and i IGNORED reviews before seeing it. I gave it a chance. I didn't read ONE review. And as soon as the Asian General (in the very beginning of the movie), with vast experience, was yelling at the young white hot shot arrogant pilot to "COME BACK" and to let the Thing fall and kill him and everyone.....while the hot shot arrogant pilot was going to try to put the large cannon back into place, then the general gets mad at him for saving everyone while not having the wisdom and foresight to just let him do his thing to save everyone and commend him afterwards....I knew we were in for a shit show. Just terribly written characters and tropes.


Exact opposite for me. EXACT opposite. I feel like this movie was trying to insult my intelligence. This shit was Appalling.

Independence day audience score 40

Batman vs Superman audience score 66

Guess I'm not alone with this opinion.


When your movie is Critically shit, and Audience shit....it's REALLY shit.
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I mean, its obvious the movie has issues. But wow, you're blowing it out of proportion. It aint that damn bad LOL
 
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The Cowboy

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God this movie was disappointing, i saw it yesterday and i was just so bored,

It just doesn't feel well laid out at all, it has way to many characters (barely any of which can act), has weird characters who are in the movie way to much (that really annoying Nicolas Wright character - good god who thought him being everywhere was a good idea?), the set pieces have no impact at all and it just seems like no one really gives a crap that the world is ending (its like OMG a city is falling onto another city - lets crack a joke or 5).

I am a sucker for a sci fi movie, but i was just bored and couldn't wait to leave the cinema.
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I actually just this past 5 minutes finished watching the 1st movie (extended edition) and its amazing just how much better it is due to the characters (this is the big thing over the 2nd movie) and how well laid out the movie is (July 2nd = invasion then destruction, July 3rd = hopelessness then working on a plan of attack, July 4th = setting up plan then blowing the crap out of everything).

I am so glad i paid only £4.50 to watch this movie, i would have be annoyed to hell had i paid to watch this crap in Imax.
 
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Fixed2BeBroken

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legacyzero said:
I mean, its obvious the movie has issues. But wow, you're blowing it out of proportion. It aint that damn bad LOL
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It's bad.

I'm a movie buff. HUGE movie buff. I'm willing to let shit slide. There are quite a few Critically panned movies that I love. My Bluray Collection is VAST. I MEAN VAST

If a movie is great, I'm the type to go see it in the theaters 3-4 times with different groups of friends.

Some examples of bad movies that I thought were enjoyable just off the top of my head...

Anger management

Chappie

Jupiter ascending

Horrible Bosses 2

Speed racer



I'm very lenient on movies and I'm willing to forgive a lot as long as I find the movie enjoyable. However Independence day resurgence was so bad that for most of the time in the theater, I imagined the thousands of things I could be doing INSTEAD of being at the theater watching this shit show. I haven't felt that way in a theater in a LONG time.

I truly feel like whoever casted this movie, needs to be slapped in the face.
Whoever directed this movie, needs to be punched in the mouth.
And whoever wrote this movie, needs to be kicked in the balls.
Then all will be just in this world.
 
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SlickShoesRUCrazy

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Just got home from watching. I enjoyed it over all, but thought the ending was very anti-climatic.

I hope there is a sequel, I want to see all the crazy alien tech they are going to have because of the white orb.
 
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legacyzero

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SlickShoesRUCrazy said:
Now I really want a sequel with the same writers, actors, and directors.
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Yep. The plot just needs more depth though. I think my main problem with this movie is there was no sense of danger, or dire situational awareness. They didn't take enough to to explore those character situations like the first one did. I think back to David and his father in the car rid to DC. Steven and Jimmy in the locker room. Whitmore and his aid in the White House.

For example, they randomly cut to a group of children in a car in the flooded east coast ruins with no context or introduction. I would have liked to spend some time with them before the Harvester arrived. Build a situation around them before you ask me to care for them post-arrival. Same for the lady President. I think she could have played a stronger role (In the novelization, she did, but paid a heavier price).

Dikembe didn't NEED to go with David to the moon. Literally felt out of place. His piece in the movie should have just been limited to calling David over to the drilling ship.

Patricia Whitmore was really under-utilized. I only really felt connected with her when she was taking on the queen. Up until that point, she was really only the "my girl back home" character. Really a shame they didn't put more of a focus on her.

As for Jasmine. Why did they even bother?

Dr Okun. Too much screen time and script. Seriously.

Besides the depth of the characters, one other thing that needed balance was how seriously the movie took itself, while failing to take itself seriously. It was so inconsistent.

Other than that, it was a good movie. I'm happy it happened, regardless of it's faults, because I'm such a mega fan of the first one.

Pendas said:
Yes, yes it is that bad. The outrage Fixed2BeBroken is expressing is completely justified. It was worse than Warcraft... worse than a lot of movies I've seen in a few years. There was only one good thing about this film, and that's Jeff Goldbloom and Judd Hirsh.. everything else was bad.. EVERYTHING.
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Nah.
 
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Pendas

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legacyzero said:
I mean, its obvious the movie has issues. But wow, you're blowing it out of proportion. It aint that damn bad LOL
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Yes, yes it is that bad. The outrage Fixed2BeBroken is expressing is completely justified. It was worse than Warcraft... worse than a lot of movies I've seen in a few years. There was only one good thing about this film, and that's Jeff Goldbloom and Judd Hirsh.. everything else was bad.. EVERYTHING.
 
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PrivateWHudson

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I enjoyed it for what it was, but the "new kids" were just terrible. Maybe they are good actors, and just had bad lines, but I didn't feel anything for most of them at all. The only two that I may have noticed if they were replaced by any background cast were the girl that was driving the station wagon and the co-pilot of the tug. The War Lord was cool too, but I wouldn't call him a kid.

They either needed better writing, or should have paid for actors that could add some character to their roles.

Also, why kill off the new woman President and replace her with a random general?
 
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Pendas

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legacyzero said:
Nah.
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If you're truly convinced this movie isn't bad. Then you must not know much about filmaking or storytelling. It truly is a "turn your brain off movie," because anyone who watches this with even an iota of analysis can see how terrible it is.

Look at all the negative criticisms you posted above. Yet you still think it's decent? Baffling.
 
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george_us

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Movie was decent. My biggest issue is that the actors don't really have the charisma to carry the ridiculous plot like the first one. Also it felt like it moved too fast at times. One of the big plusses of the first one was the incredible build up to the initial alien assault. Was kind of shocked to see that the plot was less stupid than the first one though.
 
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brandonh83

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Pendas said:
If you're truly convinced this movie isn't bad. Then you must not know much about filmaking or storytelling. It truly is a "turn your brain off movie," because anyone who watches this with even an iota of analysis can see how terrible it is.
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You can be plenty informed about filmmaking and still enjoy something, you know? Not everyone is a snob.

I like well made movies as well as "dumb" movies if they're at least harmless entertainment. They're just movies.
 
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Pendas said:
If you're truly convinced this movie isn't bad. Then you must not know much about filmaking or storytelling. It truly is a "turn your brain off movie," because anyone who watches this with even an iota of analysis can see how terrible it is.

Look at all the negative criticisms you posted above. Yet you still think it's decent? Baffling.
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I dont feel the need to put a fucking film critic hat on every time I go to a movie. It's ok to judge a film for what it is, and not be super hyperbolic about my feelings for it because I have an opinion on the internet.

If you're truly convinced this movie is that bad for the sake god-knows-why, then you must not have much fun with filmaking or storytelling. If your brain is too "on" to just sit back and enjoy a clearly deliberately cheesy movie, and just wanna fucking analyze everything, I got nothing for ya. So-

Agree to disagree?

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Pendas

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legacyzero said:
I dont feel the need to put a fucking film critic hat on every time I go to a movie. It's ok to judge a film for what it is, and not be super hyperbolic about my feelings for it because I have an opinion on the internet.

If you're truly convinced this movie is that bad for the sake god-knows-why, then you must not have much fun with filmaking or storytelling. If your brain is too "on" to just sit back and enjoy a clearly deliberately cheesy movie, and just wanna fucking analyze everything, I got nothing for ya. So-

Agree to disagree?

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I guess you missed the part where I said It truly is a "turn your brain off movie." I agree, it is a turn your brain off movie.

But if you're going to rate something as good or bad, and give your opinion on it. you can't give an opinion under the premise of "I turned my brain off when watching this." Why would you give an opinion on something you didn't actively analyze or watch? That's ignorant.

It's fine to say I liked it, I enjoyed it, it made me happy... but so say it's Good? That's just wrong.
 
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Krejlooc

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My main problem is the genre shift. Indpendence day was really a disaster movie and thus focused on disaster movie tropes. Independence day 2 is a straight up sci fi action movie. It's not what I wanted to see.You can sum up the first movie with the REM lyric, "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine." You could similarly sum up the sequel by the last line in the movie, "It's time to kick some serious alien ass."
 
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brandonh83

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Pendas said:
It's fine to say I liked it, I enjoyed it, it made me happy... but so say it's Good? That's just wrong.
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"Good" can vary. It's incredibly subjective. If you find something to be enjoyable entertainment, do you come out saying it's bad? Like, if I have a lot of fun doing something, I'd consider that a good time. Let me bring up Warcraft. I really, really didn't like it. I thought it was bad because I wasn't personally into the story, characters, just anything going on. I was totally into Independence Day-- it's not like the writing or acting is that much better on the technical front, but I was into it. That makes it loads better than Warcraft for me, but they're both mindless entertainment.

Independence Day may not be a "good" movie compared to like Oscar bait or whatever, but it's good in that it's a really good time. Maybe not for you, but for some. You can get into technicalities all day, but in the end a general impression or experience is what mostly matters. I think the Transformers movies are total dogshit; one may argue Independence Day isn't any better. Independence Day has lots of dumb shit in it, but Transformers has stuff that's so much worse, like the mom eating pot brownies and that shit goes on and on like the movie is legitimately proud of what it just concocted. Stuff like that makes me literally hate it and hate the time I'm having, but for me this movie didn't have anything remotely that just downright offensively awful.

Plot holes, bad lines, bland acting... it has that stuff, but nothing downright offensive, just mostly silly. Movies like Transformers, I find offensively idiotic because they're chock full of scenes that make me want to just start throwing shit. Independence Day is dumb, but it ain't nearly that dumb. I can deal with some plot holes and silliness as long as it's all well-mannered fun.
 
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Pendas

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Aggelos said:
If it makes a turnover, then we might get a 3rd sequel and Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin will probably make an earnest attempt to get a better script for the 3rd one.
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At this point I'm not even sure I want a sequel. They should have made a better attempt in Resurgence. It's hard to rebound from something like this.

Their only hope is China. I'm worried that if it does do well there, Emmerich is going to add even more Chinese pandering in the 3rd film.
 
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brandonh83

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Even if I liked it less, I still think they're obligated to fork over the dough and make the third one, that ending was totally a promise and they need to keep it :p

If they weren't sure they should have given it more closure but with hints of where it might go if a third one happened. They opted for a straight up cliffhanger though, and they gotta go through with it now.
 
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Pendas

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brandonh83 said:
"Good" can vary. It's incredibly subjective. If you find something to be enjoyable entertainment, do you come out saying it's bad? Like, if I have a lot of fun doing something, I'd consider that a good time. Let me bring up Warcraft. I really, really didn't like it. I thought it was bad because I wasn't personally into the story, characters, just anything going on. I was totally into Independence Day-- it's not like the writing or acting is that much better on the technical front, but I was into it. That makes it loads better than Warcraft for me, but they're both mindless entertainment. .
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I do actually lol. I know when something is bad, and I own up to it. Warcraft.. was a bad movie, but I loved it. I can admit that it was terrible and list dozens of reason why, but that's because I understand how storytelling and structure work through my career, hobbies and interest.

I can separate quality from enjoyment. In my eyes, the two don't go hand in hand.

Edit: On the flipside, a film like Birdman and other Oscar films, I see them as a really well made, "good" films, but I personally can't stand them. I hated Birdman.
 
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brandonh83

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Pendas said:
I do actually lol. I know when something is bad, and I own up to it. Warcraft.. was a bad movie, but I loved it. I can admit that it was terrible and list dozens of reason why, but that's because I understand how storytelling and structure work through my career, hobbies and interest.
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That's a-ok, but typically if someone has an enjoyable time with something, they're not going to shit down its throat afterwards. If I eat a delicious meal, it may be super unhealthy but I still enjoyed it and I'm not about to slight it. If I deliberately go through a drive-thru and knowingly order something that's gonna taste good but have some bad nutritional value, that's my choice and I know what I'm getting, and wouldn't later try to compare it to better food.

Pendas said:
Edit: On the flipside, a film like Birdman and other Oscar films, I see them as a really well made, "good" films, but I personally can't stand them. I hated Birdman.
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Well, I'm with you there. No, I get what you're saying. I wouldn't say Independence Day is good compared to like, let's just say Braveheart because that's excellent in every way. But do I think Independence Day is good for what it is, what it's trying to be as well as compared to other movies along the same ilk? Yeah, sure.

That's what I'm saying about subjectivity. You can say something is "good" in relative terms.
 
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NR1

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Do you think a fan edit if possible and could make it better? I loved a lot of the ideas and concepts introduced--- Saturn/Mars bases, the debris field between Earth and the Moon from the destroyed mothership, the landed City Destoryer in Africa, the larger galactic war--- but they simply didn't spend any time on them or flesh it out. Why would they waste time with characters that have little to no importance on the overall story. What was the point of Vivica A Fox's character? That French psychologist that was Goldblum's "love interest." That nerdy clown that hung out with the African Warlord? Such a shame... I know there is a good movie hidden away in that mess somewhere.
 
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Pendas

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brandonh83 said:
That's a-ok, but typically if someone has an enjoyable time with something, they're not going to shit down its throat afterwards. If I eat a delicious meal, it may be super unhealthy but I still enjoyed it and I'm not about to slight it. If I deliberately go through a drive-thru and knowingly order something that's gonna taste good but have some bad nutritional value, that's my choice and I know what I'm getting, and wouldn't later try to compare it to better food.
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I think I understand what you're saying? I knew Independence Day wasn't going to be good, and it wasn't going to be better than the first, but I at least expected competency.

In your analogy it's like ordering a Burger that you know is unhealthy, but the server comes out and brings you a week-old, rotten burger with a finger in it. Yeah I knew it wasn't going to be good.. but I didn't expect it to be to lazy.

If they tried, and it was still bad, I wouldn't be giving it so much shit. Which is why I like Wacraft, you can tell they tried to make a good movie. Independence really feels like they didn't even try to do anything original, interesting, or entertaining with it. That's my biggest issue. They wait 20 years to make a sequel and they put almost no effort into doing any special with it.

brandonh83 said:
That's what I'm saying about subjectivity. You can say something is "good" in relative terms.
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This is where we differ. I just don't see it that way, and a lot of people disagree with me and that's fine. When I think good or bad, I don't think enjoyment, I think quality; and I feel that quality can be measured and isn't subjective.
 
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Valdfellgar

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brandonh83 said:
That's what I'm saying about subjectivity. You can say something is "good" in relative terms.
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Exactly. Saw it with my Wife and a friend and we all felt it was good, dumb fun. Didn't take to any of the younger cast, but we really enjoyed seeing Jeff do his thing, Brent Spiner getting more screentime and all the mayhem and destruction.

With how forceful the haters are you'd almost think the film eviscerated their family pet.
 
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Jonbo298

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NR1 said:
Do you think a fan edit if the Gil. Could make it better? I loved a lot of the ideas on concepts introduced--- Saturn/Mars bases, the debris field between Earth and the Moon from the destroyed mothership, the landed Coty Destoryer in Africa, the larger galactic war--- but they simply did t spend any time on them or flesh it out. Why would they waste time with characters that have little to not importance on the overall story. What was the point on Vivca A Fox's character? That French psychologist that was Goldblum's "love interest." That nerdy clown that hung out with the African Warlord? Such a shame... I know there is a good movie hidden away in that mess somewhere.
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That's why I'm really hoping there's a lot of footage on the cutting room floor that would be in an extended edition Blu-ray release.
 
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legacyzero

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Pendas said:
This is where we differ. I just don't see it that way, and a lot of people disagree with me and that's fine. When I think good or bad, I don't think enjoyment, I think quality; and I feel that quality can be measured and isn't subjective.
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Then this movie isn't for you. Never was. Neither is hardly any movie ever made. When you only look at things in a hot versus cold mentality, I just dont see any enjoyment to be had. Just dont expect people not to call you out on your hyperbolic criticisms. Your method of judging things lacks reason and doesn't take any subjectivity into account.

Just a question though. How do you normally approach movies like Starship Troopers, for instance?
 
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Krejlooc

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GhaleonEB said:
Something I didn't quite put my finger on last night that bugged me. The big ship was...too big. So big skips right over threatening and into implausible and something I never once took seriously. An invading cruiser that big is basically an instant win if it even tried, but it basically just parked and started to drill, instead of the all out invasion from the original. Despite the whole drilling to Earth's molten core, the stakes felt much lower in this film than in the original.
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The aliens felt like they didn't even show up TBH. This huge alien ship is like almost completely empty inside, to the point where they can't find 4 humans who crash in front of everyone. The first mothership, despite being smaller, had an entire army inside that they showed. This one was like a handful of aliens.
 
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LosDaddie

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Just got out.

This movie was every bit as lame as i thought it would be. i had absolutely no hype for this movie. And I'm supposed to be "the" target demo for ID4 since the first one came out when i was 16.

The effect were good, and the IMAX 3D was solid. Other than that, i'm just glad i didn't pay for my ticket.

And some people in one of the trailer threads thought this movie would be this year's Jurassic World. Who was that?
 
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dragonyeuw

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Just got out from seeing it.Pacing seemed off, certain returning characters felt shoe-horned in ( Vivica Fox's character,for instance), lacked Will Smith's goofy charm, jokes were few and far between and what was there was mostly flat, and it didn't appear to have a central protagonist. As in, Liam Hemsworth seemed to be the main character at times, but it didn't feel like the story was being told from his perspective. He certainly doesn't have the charisma and presence to carry the film.
 
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Lan Dong Mik

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Just got out. This felt like a proper sequel to the first one. I actually really liked it. Guess I'm in the minority here lol! My kids and I had a blast watching this.
 
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Jaeger

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I really enjoyed this. Summer popcorn fun. And it was pretty. Loved the tech designs. And the exo the queen used was awesome.

My only gripe was the young man who Hillar's son. I didn't feel the charisma of charm Smith had. I think any number of actors could have done that role justice.

<3 Goldblum.
 
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brandonh83

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Pendas said:
In your analogy it's like ordering a Burger that you know is unhealthy, but the server comes out and brings you a week-old, rotten burger with a finger in it. Yeah I knew it wasn't going to be good.. but I didn't expect it to be to lazy.
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My burger turned out what I ordered, so I didn't complain about it :p
 
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Fixed2BeBroken said:
stating the obvious, but what I said still applies and is a fact as well




NO, not hyperbole. It's no wonder why so many reviewers are echoing what I stated. Hell, the video posted in this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWG8gWRtZ9c&feature=share, is literally saying the SAME shit I said after seeing the movie with my friends and in my post. It's not some coincidence that it has so many shit reviews AND it's bombing at the box office.

This movie is bad as it gets. The worst movie i have seen not only this year, but in YEARS.

and i IGNORED reviews before seeing it. I gave it a chance. I didn't read ONE review. And as soon as the Asian General (in the very beginning of the movie), with vast experience, was yelling at the young white hot shot arrogant pilot to "COME BACK" and to let the Thing fall and kill him and everyone.....while the hot shot arrogant pilot was going to try to put the large cannon back into place, then the general gets mad at him for saving everyone while not having the wisdom and foresight to just let him do his thing to save everyone and commend him afterwards....I knew we were in for a shit show. Just terribly written characters and tropes.


Exact opposite for me. EXACT opposite. I feel like this movie was trying to insult my intelligence. This shit was Appalling.

Independence day audience score 40

Batman vs Superman audience score 66

Guess I'm not alone with this opinion.


When your movie is Critically shit, and Audience shit....it's REALLY shit.
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Come into this thread to see this. Wow. You're really taking this movie like it's a personal insult...

Honestly curious to see what your Least Favorite 3 movies are of All-time.
 
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gosox333

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It's easy to forget that without the nostalgia goggles, the first wasn't exactly the greatest either

I enjoyed this enough, I probably should have waited till it was on DVD or something but eh it's not like I actively feel like I was ripped out of my money. In the end I do hope it gets that sequel.
 
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Krejlooc

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Walked my dog this evening and thought about the movie and now I'm kind of bummed that I didn't like it at all. I remember going to see Independence Day on july 4th with my entire family and loving it. I wanted to like this movie, but it didn't seem to understand what anybody liked about the original. It felt like generic sci fi.

I took my nephew to see Ninja Turtles the other day, and that's the kind of stupid but entertaining movie I expected out of Independence Day 2. Something that was objectively stupid, but that would keep me grinning while hitting all the right nostalgia notes. ID42 was nothing like that.
 
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gosox333

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Lan Dong Mik said:
lol apparently the book that leaked a few weeks back says this is exactly what happens. I was surprised when it didn't happen.
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I remember reading that in that one thread

the second I saw the bus I was pumped for it to run over her head, but it never happened. It wasn't really small enough to run over in the movie I guess but damn was I disappointed.
 
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