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Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9088men9xo.amp
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Last year, India nudged past China to become the world's most populous country, according to UN estimates.

With nearly 1.45 billion people now, you'd think the country would be quiet about having more children. But guess what? The chatter has suddenly picked up.

Leaders of two southern states – Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu – have recently advocated more children.

India's fertility rate has fallen substantially - from 5.7 births per woman in 1950 to the current rate of two.

Fertility rates have fallen below the replacement level of two births per woman in 17 of the 29 states and territories. (A replacement level is one at which new births are sufficient to maintain a stable population.)

Today, the five southern states have total fertility rates below 1.6, with Karnataka at 1.6 and Tamil Nadu at 1.4. In other words, fertility rates in these states match or are less than many European countries.

The key challenge, according to demographers, is India's rapid ageing driven by declining fertility rates. While countries like France and Sweden took 120 and 80 years respectively to double their aging population from 7% to 14%, India is expected to reach this milestone in just 28 years, says Mr Goli.

But in India, fertility rates fell rapidly despite modest socio-economic progress, thanks to aggressive family welfare programmes that promoted small families through targets, incentives, and disincentives.
The unintended consequence? Take Andhra Pradesh, for instance. Its fertility rate is 1.5, on par with Sweden, but its per capita income is 28 times lower, says Mr Goli. With mounting debt and limited resources, can states like these support higher pensions or social security for a rapidly aging population?

In other words, Mr Goli says, "India is getting old before getting rich".

Fewer children also mean a rising old-age dependency ratio, leaving fewer caregivers for an expanding elderly demographic. Demographers warn that India's healthcare, community centres and old-age homes are unprepared for this shift.

 

[Dacvak]

Dear India (and everywhere else),

We really don’t need more humans.

Sincerely,
Planet Earth

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Dudes really gotta learn to pull out holyshit.

 

[kevboard]

maybe some functional water filtering for their rivers? functional infrastructure? no?
I'd assume those woukd be more immediate issues

 

[Hookshot]

Yay, more calls from "Windows"

 

[Jinzo Prime]

maybe some functional water filtering for their rivers? functional infrastructure? no?
I'd assume those woukd be more immediate issues

Unfortunately economics collapse when there are too many old people and not enough young to replace them. China, Europe, Canada, and now India is really finding this out right now.

If you want to know how stable an economy will be in the future, a good place to look is a population pyramid.



See that bulge sliding upwards? Those are going to be old people that drain the economy of money. That's why the province wants more births.

Of course, this is selfish and short sighted, but what country isn't?

Edit: replied to the wrong comment, sorry, but ya'll get the idea.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

It's pretty insane if you put things in perspective, and consider that BRICS is on the rise:

 

[Bojji]

Most developed countries on earth see birthrate drops. Human population will decrease at some point.

India might not be as developed as western counties (or east Asian ones) but for sure quality of life is much better now than in 1950.

 

[newtypepilot]

 

[Rockondevil]

I hate this because it doesn't just affect them, they flood the rest of the world.
Last year in Aus we had on roughly 300 Indians migrate here per day with only about 50 leaving.

Obviously immigration doesn't have to be a negative, but boy do we need to have some caps on it.
Our housing here is getting ridiculous, though I'm sure many other places are having the same issue.

 

[Durien]

What the science shows is that when you educate women, they don't want to have kids, they want to be successful. South Korea shows this as well as other developed nations. A lot of the women in India are going to school and becoming educated and working in professional fields. Next place you will see this is Africa. As more countries move to exploit...I mean industrialize Africa, they'll bring technology which means you won't need to have a family of 10 working the fields.

If there us one thing India needs to do, it's stop producing tech people and start pumping out civil engineers to deal with their pollution issues. Clean up the Ganges for crying out loud...

 

[LordOfChaos]

Lots of laughing before thinking going on here, but China utterly and completely fucked over its coming decades by inverting its population pyramid with the one child policy - even having removed that policy, the culture is engrained now and they can't get the birth rate back up. It's going to have way too many old people being taken care of by too few young people and likely run backwards economically at times.

While population doesn't seem like an issue for India today, it's growing similar in that the birth rate is falling fast as literacy rises, recently the internet connecting even the remotest of regions when one eccentric billionaire decided to do that is only accelerating that trend, education is good but India also doesn't want to fuck up being the fastest growing major economy on earth like China with that inverted population sharp collapse coming to China.

And ask Elon Musk, not me - the population bomb myth is well and over. If the west wants to help it's through providing nuclear fuel so that they can get more of those fast reactors online rather than coal.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

India might not be as developed as western counties (or east Asian ones) but for sure quality of life is much better now than in 1950.

If there's cat fish in the Ganges that like the taste of human flesh, rabid packs of dogs that rip people apart and rivers of waste and plastic and that's considered good. What the FUCK was the 1950s like?

 

[LordOfChaos]

India might not be as developed as western counties (or east Asian ones) but for sure quality of life is much better now than in 1950.

Most of the west hasn't bothered to realize that poverty and especially abject poverty have been decimated in India, and never updated their mental picture of it even if you say more recently like from the 1980s

Naturally with 10% of 1.4 billion people you can show a lot of examples of there still being problems, but this is a nearly 7x crushing of the problem just since 1981, it's very different and the problems will grow similarly different

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Lots of laughing before thinking going on here, but China utterly and completely fucked over its coming decades by inverting its population pyramid with the one child policy - even having removed that policy, the culture is engrained now and they can't get the birth rate back up. It's going to have way too many old people being taken care of by too few young people and likely run backwards economically at times.

While population doesn't seem like an issue for India today, it's growing similar in that the birth rate is falling fast as literacy rises, recently the internet connecting even the remotest of regions when one eccentric billionaire decided to do that is only accelerating that trend, education is good but India also doesn't want to fuck up being the fastest growing major economy on earth like China with that inverted population sharp collapse coming to China.

And ask Elon Musk, not me - the population bomb myth is well and over. If the west wants to help it's through providing nuclear fuel so that they can get more of those fast reactors online rather than coal.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

Demographics are everything.

 

[Porcile]

Sandal sales in winter around the globe to remain stellar then.

 

[Lord Panda]

Lots of laughing before thinking going on here, but China utterly and completely fucked over its coming decades by inverting its population pyramid with the one child policy - even having removed that policy, the culture is engrained now and they can't get the birth rate back up. It's going to have way too many old people being taken care of by too few young people and likely run backwards economically at times.

While population doesn't seem like an issue for India today, it's growing similar in that the birth rate is falling fast as literacy rises, recently the internet connecting even the remotest of regions when one eccentric billionaire decided to do that is only accelerating that trend, education is good but India also doesn't want to fuck up being the fastest growing major economy on earth like China with that inverted population sharp collapse coming to China.

And ask Elon Musk, not me - the population bomb myth is well and over. If the west wants to help it's through providing nuclear fuel so that they can get more of those fast reactors online rather than coal.

Yep 100%. This is also a great video outlining the impending fall of China:

 

[Rentahamster]

They need more daughters

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Yep 100%. This is also a great video outlining the impending fall of China:

China reached their final form with Black Myth Wukong.

Where the hell is your BMW India? Your people need a magnum opus. When the last Indian man and woman on the subcontinent refuse to fuck each other and keep the whole thing going for one final generation... how will you be remembered? As one giant fucking Call Center.

India, make your game.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

congratz on the population growth Canada

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Dear India (and everywhere else),

We really don’t need more humans.

Sincerely,
Planet Earth

It’s not about you, it’s about India. Nobody ever thought that huge demographics will mean a lot of older people and an infrastructure to take care of them. So you need even more people, etc. It’s perpetual economic growth in respect to population. And one day it will crash.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

South Korea shows this as well as other developed nations.

You know what else South Korea shows? When you fuck up the older generation with no pension and they were forced to work till they die.

 

[Durien]

You know what else South Korea shows? When you fuck up the older generation with no pension and they were forced to work till they die.

Pensions are not the be all, end all though. Boeing learned that. You need to save and invest.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Pensions are not the be all, end all though. Boeing learned that. You need to save and invest.

Except nobody told that to millions of people. Suckers!

 

[Diatribe1974]

As urbanization happens, population naturally decreases. It's happened all over the world. When you look at population numbers across the world, the trend is a downward on in the long term. Sure, we've got the momentum from current numbers, but it'll happen even with those nations who's populations are healthy as they're often 2nd or 3rd world nation status and supported via foreign aid and technology. Once that aide/support dries up, even their population will drop substantially.

 

[jason10mm]

As urbanization happens, population naturally decreases. It's happened all over the world. When you look at population numbers across the world, the trend is a downward on in the long term. Sure, we've got the momentum from current numbers, but it'll happen even with those nations who's populations are healthy as they're often 2nd or 3rd world nation status and supported via foreign aid and technology. Once that aide/support dries up, even their population will drop substantially.

Thats a really clean way to say that MILLIONS will die from starvation, disease, war, and abuse. These places with a squat pyramid shape to their population/age graphs are all destined for a horrible future when the oceanic fish collapse meets fertilizer supply collapse and an international food shipping collapse. The ones with a mushroom shaped graph (like China, S. Korea, Japan) will likely be ok(ish) as the old people can just wither away without directly impacting the industrial base of a country, leave a bunch of moral scars though. Places like the US and EU are propping themselves up with immigration, they will be fine, it's just the country that comes out at the end will look VERY different. No more English classics, constitution, or Judeo-Christian legal base. On the plus side the food scene will undoubtedly improve

 

[grvg]

It would be great if a few other nations took the hint and started reproducing more.

 

[Shubh_C63]

South India generally has more educated people compared to the North and even then the comments of the state government not at all reflects the sentiment of Indian people having children.

No one is having more than one children in the new age. Most South India marries very young, while North India marries very late and still both of them are not thrilled over more than one children. Mostly upper middle class are the ones having no children at all to maintain their lifestyle.

More children might make sense to India economists, for Indian people the shift for no children at all is rapidly growing just like in other areas of the world.

 

[ForAcademicPurposes]

A good time to be a condom manufacturer.

 

[EverydayBeast]

India doesn’t have enough room for all those people whatever happen to birth control.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

India doesn’t have enough room for all those people whatever happen to birth control.

Birth control?

Just all chip in for a Dinghy, someone else will put you up for the night/week/lifetime

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Unfortunately economics collapse when there are too many old people and not enough young to replace them. China, Europe, Canada, and now India is really finding this out right now.

If you want to know how stable an economy will be in the future, a good place to look is a population pyramid.



See that bulge sliding upwards? Those are going to be old people that drain the economy of money. That's why the province wants more births.

Of course, this is selfish and short sighted, but what country isn't?

Edit: replied to the wrong comment, sorry, but ya'll get the idea.

Would be easely fixable if you get the pension you worked for. Not have the next generation pay for your pension.