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Insider - “I'm confident that we will hear more from Sony this Q3, next year might be their most important, and one of the best years this Generation”
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
I knew it. Sony always deliver. the issue is that this gen it's going to be an actual 10 year one
Fabieter
Member
I'm not talking about game sales; I'm talking about their poor console sales, which are even worse than Sony expected. Most people won't buy a console for just one decent game. But if you have five games, the chances of selling more consoles are much higher. Helldivers 2 was pure luck for Sony. Let's also discuss all the canceled GAAS games—they could have used that money to make 20 AA games instead.
jm89
Member
What's dragging down console sales is the price, cost of living and alot of really popular games that casuals like still being available on ps4.
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
And instead of a bunch of aa games, we get a bunch of aa games and a bunch of Gaas games and a bunch of AAA flagship titled are in production.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
SM, ND, Sucker Punch have shown nothing of their new projects. Those are not releasing next year.
Only Bend, Housemarque and maybe Bluepoint might surprise us, but I don't believe in games made in total secrecy that suddenly pop up.
Fabieter
Member
There are other aspects to poor console sales for sure but the fact that alot of games are still available on ps4 and console pricing is easy to anticipate so I can't see how that's responsible for sonys disappointment in sales.
ZehDon
Member
Given Sony's commitment to two titles a year, their lack of competition, and their continued success from console and platform revenues, there's very little pressure for them to really deliver anything in a rush. With titles like Concord and Marathon on the horizon, 2025 may be a good year, but I suspect that's relative to this generation - not exactly a high bar.
Yoboman
Member
Both are true twitter said soI still don't believe both assumptions
cash_longfellow
Member
When did Sony say that?
Fabieter
Member
How many of those gaas games actually released? The ammount of aa and aaa games is really tiny.
Compare 2023 and 2024 with the ps4s 2017 and 2018. The gaas push fucked the entire generation up.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Reportedly, ND, SM and GG have multiple projects in production.
Alongside the other studios, they all have been working for a couple of years now afaik.
No doubt we will see some releases next year and then the titles will drop one after another leading up to next-gen.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Yes, because we also have the issue of increased development time/cost etc.
That's also a big factor in Sony's Gaas strategy: player retention.
Times are also very different now, after thr covid pandemic and the current state of the world economy.
skit_data
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fabieter
Member
You just gave more points why it's stupid that sony is mostly doing blockbuster and gaas games nowadays.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol you know things are bad when ps fans and insiders are following the Xbox fanbase playbook of wait till next year.
you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a klobrie/jez corden/colteastwood.
you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a klobrie/jez corden/colteastwood.
jm89
Member
Are we waiting till next year though?
Helldivers 2 is a smash hit, astro bot will probably be too.
LavitzSlambert
Member
It was, but the games were also cross-gen so a lot of people don’t count those, especially because they were built with last gen hardware in mind so they couldn’t get too ambitious. 2025 should be better though, considering the size of Sony’s first party studios and how long it’s been since the last major releases. And they need to justify the PS5 Pro, or at least attempt to.
Mobilemofo
Member
This gen has been one big bukake special. We've all been spunked on, and now we've got to clean up the mess. If I had to rate this gen this far, it would be 6/10.
W11d
Member
actually you should compare 2023 and 2024 with 2016 and 2017.
2013 - 2020
2014 - 2021
2015 - 2022
2016 - 2023
2017 - 2024
2018 - 2025
2018 was the first great year of PS4.
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
Those blockbusters are what made Playstation as big as it currently is.
Gaas is needed to keep people playing their games continuously in between sp releases.
And you still have aa titles.
Sony has more people to cater to than just sp fans.
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Fabieter
Member
You are right with the numbers. I don't agree that the 2018 was the first great year tho.
skit_data
Member
I definitely prefer the crossgen approach to getting for example GT6 and God of War 2 "post next gen launch" on their respective consoles. Sure there were a couple of cool early "next gen" exclusive PS4 games last gen but comparing KZ: Shadowfall and Infamous Second son to Demon's Souls and Returnal I'll take the latter every day of the week.
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Fabieter
Member
All the goodwill from a great library is what made playstation as big as it is including all the Japanese exclusives which 99% are multiplatform these days.
And gaas isn't working for them when they cancel most of their games. And what you mean playing gaas games between their sp games. Helldivers 2 lost like 90% of their playerbase which won't recover and concord will flop later this year. So many resources es wasted for nothing. They forgot why playstation is big to beginn with.
reinking
Gold Member
It always is.
W11d
Member
It was the first year with multiple hits
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ps fans aren’t ps fans because of platformers and gaas games. We want single player narrative driven games with next Gen graphics.
splattered
Member
Unfortunately i have very little faith in Sony's output moving forward. Yeah they might land some good 3rd party deals here and there to keep them afloat but i am tired of waiting several years just to get an OK title. It really feels like they've lost their way and we can't even expect good titles out of their newer acquisitions. Gaming is in serious decline in general. Everyone keeps talking about an impending crash but it feels like we've been in a slow motion crash this entire generation.
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Fabieter
Member
2016 and 2017 was insane on a 1p and a 3p exclusive standpoint. It was arguably better in quantity and quality. With bloodborne and the order 2015 was also not that bad tbh. I prefer 2013 to 2017 exclusives over 2020 to 2024 any day of the week. But to each their own I guess.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Which Gaas games did they cancel?
Factions 2.
Helldivers 2 also sold more than 12M copies, compared to Stellar Blade with 1M copies.
And while they lost 90% of their playerbase, no doubt a large part jump back on when the new faction arrives. That's the nature of Gaas.
They didn't even expect HD2 to be such a hit to begin with.
As for library, don't forget that Sony used to have a lot games that relied on mp as well a pre-PS4.
Nowadays, all those games would be categorized as Gaas, but ultimately Sony is returning to a much broader library, like they once used to have.
Singleplayer fans need to move away from their tunnel-vision.
W11d
Member
Maybe if you became a PS fan only during ps4.
its always the next year
I get it if your preferred platform is struggling but lets not live in alternate realities.
Luipadre
Member
I get it if your preferred platform is struggling but lets not live in alternate realities.
my preferred platform is PC now after this dogshit PS5 generation thats behind us so far
Fabieter
Member
The London studio was reportedly working on a GAAS game, and Bungie is having major problems with their GAAS titles. Twisted Metal, which was supposed to be a GAAS game, was canceled. The game from that ex-COD developer for PlayStation was also canceled. Are you serious? There have been multiple reports throughout the generation that they’re facing big problems with their GAAS games. We could have had a lot more games if it weren't for that mess.
Just because a game has a tacked-on multiplayer mode doesn't mean it's a GAAS. I'd take Doom Eternal with a multiplayer mode over Concord any day of the week.
No, they aren’t broadening their library. Looking at their PS1 to PS4 library, this is by far the worst.
Yes, Sony might think their single-player games should stay quiet, but that's their main customer base, and they’re out of touch to push this approach on their customers.
W11d
Member
I understand when PS and Xbox gamers demand more games from Sony and MS. But it's funny to me how PC gamers always demand exclusives from Sony or Microsoft but never from Valve.
Fabieter
Member
Most pc gamers know that valve is risk averse so it would be pointless.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Ah yeah, forgot about those.
But then we also have to look at the studios behind those.
London Studio: pretty much a EyeToy studio. Nothing noteworthy would've come out of that anyway.
Firesprite: also never released anything noteworthy. Maybe Horizon CotM.
Not sure which ex-COD dev you mean though.
But these studios aren't close to being high profile or releasing anything noteworthy, so I highly doubt much was lost by them not developing a non-Gaas title.
Most likely would've been some small VR title anyway.
And then people would be complaining about that.
What I'm saying is that you can be sure that if Sony releasws games like that now, they would most likely fall in line with Gaas titles.
Their main customer base is playing 3rd party Gaas games.
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W11d
Member
But at the same time they act like console gamers doesn't have games to play when it's PC gamers who always port begging
Topher
Identifies as young
Huh? PC gamers have been asking for more Half-life, Portal, etc. for quite some time now. And they haven't asked for them to be "exclusive" to anything.
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saintjules
Gold Member
First 3 trailers you see will be all CGI based.