amigastar
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Or Take-Two's GTA VI
[Insider Gaming] The Witcher 4 is Aiming for 60FPS on Consoles, but Series S will be “Extremely Challenging”
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Mr Moose
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Sorry WB/Avalanche. What an awful mixup haha
Venom Snake
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Please do everything you can to make sure this doesn't become a "one-year exclusivity deal" again. 
HeisenbergFX4
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Series S was a terrible idea
Schmendrick
Banned
"Console first", from one of the few studios that has actually been doing proper PC first versions pushing the envelope a bit... yeah....so great to hear them going more budget hardware centric........
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They already were with TW3 and CP 2077, so nothing changed plus this can mean we will have excellent performance on PC.
Venom Snake
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Making a well-performing game for a larger audience is better than an avalanche of refunds and licking your wounds after stock prices drop.
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amigastar
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Punished Miku
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Well this is a discussion about Witcher 4 being possibly 30 fps. Why are you even bringing up not supporting it? They've already decided they will support it. I bet they also get it on Switch 2 which is even weaker.
Steve Holt
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Jason Ronald strikes again
Bojji
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If Sony requires PS6 Portable versions of all games we are even more fucked than with Series S for next gen...
Gaiff
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They were PS5/XBSX there.>Looks at Cybepunk's performance on PS4 and Xbox One.
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Wulfer
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Here's an Idea, just don't release it on Playstation! Then you don't have to worry about consoles! See how absurd your statement was!
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GoldenEye98
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I feel like this game running at 60fps on Series S falls in the "nice to have" but not expected category.
Just target 30....
Just target 30....
RodriGames40
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What are YOU talking about? Should I say. You cannot compare characteristics of other engines with this one, you keep doing that and it's pointless. Frames are never built the same and they show you what they are filling it with in the damn video, you cannot be possibly this dense.
There has been no Unreal game released making use of any of these improvements, we got a 5.4 game two months ago. Do you seriously expect devs to downport features that Epic spent millions R&D'ing? Are you for real right now?
Thanks for confirming you didn't watch the video, would have saved me a lot of work if you did it before.
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Physiognomonics
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Even at 30fps on XSS, just prepare yourself to some Switch 1 resolution of textures and a resolution very low like max 720p. There is still the problem of lack of memory on XSS which is a much bigger problem than the 4TF GPU in UE5.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It doesn't matter what engine you use. It has been a reality since 3D graphics have existed and UE5 is certainly no exception. It's not a "characteristic" of engines. This is simply how 3D rendering works. That's why CDPR outright told you it's easier to scale up than down. If targeting 60fps and then increasing the visuals to get 30 gave you the same results as targeting 30 and then cutting them down to give 60, then it wouldn't be any easier to scale up than down.
I'm saying UE5 so far has been garbage and I need a lot more than just "oh we promise it's going to be great" to be a believer.
It's 48 minutes long. Do you seriously think I recall everything and the time they said it? Timestamp when they said it.
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Disgusting.
Bojji
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This is my stance as well. I will believe that engine is fixed once I see some UE5.6 game running on my PC with no hitches and stutters. So far every UE5 game have AT LEAST traversal stutters.
CloudShiner
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Can't wait to play this on Switch 2 at 15fps and 320p.
Hudo
Member
They're also using UE5. So it will definitely be some kind of shit show. Question just will be what kind.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Should be at least better than TW3 on Switch.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And they didn't get updates to take advantage of their features until much, much later.They were PS5/XBSX there.
I bet it wouldn't. Do you think GTA VI will suffer reduced sales for targeting 30fps? If the game is great and looks visually breathtaking, a 30fps target would be a complete non-factor.
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rodrigolfp
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PC with Psycho RT and path tracing too.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I SWEAR TO THE LORD AND SAVIOR I HOPE THEY DONT WRECK THE PC VERSION AND FOCUSING ON CONSOLE JUST MAKES THE PC MORE EFFICIENT
THE LORD
THE LORD
drganon
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Jez and Destin being wrong, what a shocker.
kevboard
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nope...
Reason: Unreal Engine 5.
have you ever played a modern UE5 game on something like the Steam Deck? even games you'd think aren't super demanding will look horrible.
why? because everything UE5 does scales really badly to low resolutions.
hair, foliage, ambient occlusion, SSR... they all start essentially breaking down the further below 720p you go, because they make extensive use of dithering, meaning all of them run at essentially half of your target resolution.
if you wanna see it in action, play the new Alone in the Dark, which is one of the few UE titles that let you turn off TAA. play that at 720p without TAA and see the raw hair of the characters before the TAA smears (reconstructs) it into something cohesive looking. you'll think it's a bug lol.
then we come to Lumen, which CDPR seem to be targeting for their GI, with probably no fallback in place.
low internal resolution = low amount of rays being traced. low amount of rays = denoising becomes harder and harder. bad denoising = constant boiling and extremely slow reaction times to lighting changes.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Yes and don't look that horrible plus TW3 on Switch looks much more horrible.
MatrixReloaded101
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It was and the funny thing is it didn't even help Xbox in the console market. They thought having a cheaper sku would make them competitive but they ended up being 3rd party publishers anyway so now they have this sku (series s) that will handicap their 3rd party developers with nothing to show for all the trouble.
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Arrogantheart
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What is wrong with these, exactly?
Honey Bunny
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The most graphically disappointing generation of my lifetime anyway
amigastar
Member
That was my opinion as well before i saw GTA VI and now Witcher 4. Now i think we will get there, maybe not this gen but in the future.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I guess Nvidia isn't sponsoring them anymore lol
Yet all the evangelists were saying it will not hold anything back, will be ported to easily with "a flag/ flick of a switch" at 1440p, was a stroke of genius that will "pincer move" the competitor, etc. It's crazy the amount of fake hype/FUD people create.
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Rusty Shackelford
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Developers need to start releasing on Series X and ignoring the S altogether, and telling MS to shove it up their asses with their parity clause with Series S.
Or, developers can just start releasing games completely ignoring Xbox altogether, and when MS cries about it, developer can tell them to shove the Series S up their asses and they'll get the game. Either way, MS needs to shove the Series S up their asses.
Or, developers can just start releasing games completely ignoring Xbox altogether, and when MS cries about it, developer can tell them to shove the Series S up their asses and they'll get the game. Either way, MS needs to shove the Series S up their asses.
Deerock71
Very Poor Hoice of Wor
What I took from that is the Series S will be more problematic than the Switch 2.
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Oh some tried that, it became public and the person who said it got attacked and had to delete his tweets:
Tweets deleted.
Print sceen of them:
Ian Maclure, VFX Artist for Bossa Studios has admitted that this is happening more and more, specially as games are going to be more and more next-gen only.
Will Series S hold back multiplatform games? How can this issue even be sorted out?
Print sceen of them:
Ian Maclure, VFX Artist for Bossa Studios has admitted that this is happening more and more, specially as games are going to be more and more next-gen only.
Will Series S hold back multiplatform games? How can this issue even be sorted out?
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The resolution for starters.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
HeisenbergFX4
relay our protests to your insider connections! The future of PlayStation Nation depends on it!Schmendrick
Banned
On which planet do you live.....
Crispy Gamer
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That interview was excellent Alex asked great questions. I was against them switching engines but after listening to why and the support they're getting from Epic it makes sense plus having PS5 as the base console for development is smart unfortunately this game is obviously cross-gen it's years away and they weren't sure how well the whole game will run it seems overly ambitious for even the PS5 let alone Series S 
he almost fainted when asked about that running at 60.
he almost fainted when asked about that running at 60.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The planet of parity with consoles.