Schmendrick
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So planet FairytalesThe planet of parity with consoles.
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[Insider Gaming] The Witcher 4 is Aiming for 60FPS on Consoles, but Series S will be “Extremely Challenging”
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GHG
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Yep, which is why people need to make it clear that it's a bum strategy that won't yield good results.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Yeah yeah. They focused so much on the PC version of TW3 that we didn't need mods to improve a lot from what we got. Same with CP 2077 with some assets the same or just little better than what the PS4 got plus path tracing and psycho settings missing on launch. PC so much priority, Wow.
Schmendrick
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If you don't have any arguments go to cry in a corner.That is the most idiotic history revision concerning games I've read in a while.
Schmendrick
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No point arguing with someone who claims the sky is green. It's so stupid from the get go that there is no point.
Go kick a rock.
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2027 people will want play at the same 60fps we are playing from 2020.
Zathalus
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I believe one of the key reasons they are prioritizing 60fps on consoles is due to the various issues Unreal 5 has faced with good performance so far. It appears Epic and CDPR are determined to fix those overhead issues as well as resolve traversal stutter that so plagues UE games.
SegaSnatcher
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Well they can always try to hit a stable 40fps on Series S which is still a noticeable improvement over 30fps.
But they're not finding it "extremely challenging" to release on Playstation, why would they worry and skip it? Ironically, what an absurd thing to say/suggest.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
PS6 will be one year out. It would be a nice showcase for backwards compatibility.
ZehDon
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CDPR partnered with Epic to quite literally help them improve the underlying engine. I imagine CDPR got a handsome licensing deal for Unreal Engine, while Epic gets to finally have real game developers actually make their Engine perform like a video game should.
ReasonBeing
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They should just shoot for 30 FPS standard with a 40 FPS mode
Bernardougf
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As they should.. gameplay is king and 60 fps should be the bare minimum in 2027/8 when this game comes out.
30 fps options should be included but is good they have 60 fps as the target.
30 fps options should be included but is good they have 60 fps as the target.
Zathalus
Member
Witcher 3 was developed around the console hardware as well. Hence the downgrade in visuals.Consoles first?
I already lost all hopes for you CDPR after Cyberpunk 2077, but this is the cherry on the cake.
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Anchovie123
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Friendly reminder that most PC gamers have a PC at or slightly above PS5 levels of performance, making games for the 1-3% isnt a good idea.
Also from what im understanding is that the core technology's of UE5 have seen performance improvements this doesn't necessarily mean that it will be downgraded to reach 60fps.
Also I've noticed a trend over the years, if a game runs poorly on console it usually translates over to PC as well, 60fps console target is a good thing imo.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Targeting 1440p30fps like GTA VI wouldn't be targeting only high-end PCs. It would push the visuals on all platforms as far as possible while maintaining multiplatform support.
Targeting 60fps on a base PS5 in a AAA open world game is a sure way to get awful IQ, graphics, performance, or all.
UltimaKilo
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Assuming the game doesn't face any major delays.
VolticArchangel
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"Guys, dont worry! Just like last time, we're going to get an impossible port of The Witcher 4 by Saber Interactive, now with DLSS on the Sw...."
Physiognomonics
Member
Yep. They heard the message from gamers loud and clear. Sony stats and the fact that all 30fps only games flopped this generation and this from launch.
I just noticed that they are quite ambitious with the native resolution for such heavy RT game. Native 800p-1080p + TSR will be decent at 60fps. I bet this game will shine on PS5 Pro like Fornite with a much higher resolution.
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Arrogantheart
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Is this another PC crybaby post? Did it hurt you they are starting with a focus on consoles?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You asked what was wrong. I gave you an answer and you decided to troll. Either post in good faith or gtfo.
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Arrogantheart
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Consoles first?
I am not trolling, I see a thread full of butthurt PC gamers because they are not the center of the universe. See the quote above yours.
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Knightime_X
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They'll still port this to Switch 1 and say it was easier than series S, despite it being vastly stronger than switch.
jk Switch 2 has dlss, fuck switch 1 lol
jk Switch 2 has dlss, fuck switch 1 lol
Mibu no ookami
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The Series S is going to prove to be a problem for CDPR. You're going to get a 30 fps low resolution mess and they know that here. They haven't even started looking at the Series S.... They're just going to cap framerate and hope for the best with as low a resolution as it takes to near lock it to 30.
There is no real massive financial incentive to focus on making games look and play great on Series S and they realize that. They'll do their best within reason.
The same is going to be true of BMW in a couple months and the same will be true of GTA6.
There is no real massive financial incentive to focus on making games look and play great on Series S and they realize that. They'll do their best within reason.
The same is going to be true of BMW in a couple months and the same will be true of GTA6.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And they should be honest with it. "We're confident we can get a great and consistent 30fps with a good IQ on the Series S without massacring the visuals."
Not "it's going to be a challenge to run it at 60." It's not fucking possible without making it look like a pixel soup.
Mibu no ookami
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I don't think that's what they meant. I think he meant, it would be a challenge to do 60 as in it's not realistic. Even base consoles will be relatively low res to get to 60. PS5 Pro will likely sing.
What we see from FF16 on XSS is a huge lesson for everyone about what is going to be happening on that system for the next few years.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Well, that's what they said and it made me question their transparency right then and there. Maybe they genuinely believe it's not impossible but just extremely challenging. Otherwise, sounds like a PR answer.
BMW will be something to behold on the Series S, but they got frame generation to at least give the illusion of a much higher frame rate. I think they straight-up dropped split-screen for BG3 on the Series S, but I don't remember if they finally got around it after all.
Mibu no ookami
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They have a close relationship with Microsoft. They're not going to say the Series S is a piece of shit.
They said it would be a challenge which is corporate speak for they can't do it, not that they'll even try.
If this was a Microsoft oriented product they'd start with the Series S as the baseline console, but they're working on the PS5. It tells us a lot, that even with the strained relationship between Sony and CDPR that the math has to math.
Astray
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They did get it on after a while.
Xbox Series S Is Finally Getting Split-Screen Co-Op In Baldur's Gate 3
Larian had to drop split-screen multiplayer to get Baldur's Gate 3 running on Xbox Series S. Now, the feature is finally being added.
www.thegamer.com
The resolution is low precisely to enable features that would normally only be seen in a 30 FPS mode.
Wulfer
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They're scaling the game to fit in lot of different places, get over it.
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Astray
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What they're saying is very understandable.
Preorders were what saved Cyberpunk 2077 and gave them the financial runway to keep improving the game over time.
They know that this might not happen again so they're taking all the precautions possible to make sure their game doesn't launch in a bad state. They also likely got a seriously great deal from Epic on this, including EGS cut benefits.
Epic also benefits greatly from this, if this project succeeds and hits with players then they get to pitch their engine as "provably better" than maintaining your own.
They won't skip it on account of their great relationship with Microsoft, but Series S is almost definitely not getting a 60fps mode except with extreme Switch 1 shoehorn mode. You will see degraded graphics like never ever before. But it will be on there.
Preorders were what saved Cyberpunk 2077 and gave them the financial runway to keep improving the game over time.
They know that this might not happen again so they're taking all the precautions possible to make sure their game doesn't launch in a bad state. They also likely got a seriously great deal from Epic on this, including EGS cut benefits.
Epic also benefits greatly from this, if this project succeeds and hits with players then they get to pitch their engine as "provably better" than maintaining your own.
They won't skip it on account of their great relationship with Microsoft, but Series S is almost definitely not getting a 60fps mode except with extreme Switch 1 shoehorn mode. You will see degraded graphics like never ever before. But it will be on there.
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PlayStaytion
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The new interview came from Digital Foundry, where CD Projekt Red said that it will be making sure it doesn't make the same mistakes it did with Cyberpunk 2077 when it came to performance issues.
This time around, CD Projekt Red will be taking a console-first approach to ensure 60FPS stability. However, the studio acknowledges that the Xbox Series S will be extremely challening.
On the Xbox Series S and the 60FPS benchmark, it was said, "I will say that 60 FPS will definitely be extremely challenging on the Series S, let's just say that this something that we need to to figure out".
You can watch the full interview by Digital Foundry below:
Can't stand that face @900p.
DevonExplorer
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Makes sense after the disastrous Cyberpunk launch.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Thank god that's the right approach, yes even a game like this is better at 60fps ffs. If that means lower resolutions so be it.
Exactly. If pc market was enough for them they won't care about console. Why people persist to believe otherwise is out of my mind.Theyre in the business of selling video games.
How they can even mandate something like this. Is it Sony the new illuminati of the world?
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roosnam1980
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interesting that their focus is console base ps5/xsx
CDPR were always PC first
CDPR were always PC first
Astray
Member
It's a major shift for them, that's for sure.
Bojji
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The same as Microsoft and series s. You can't release Xbox game without series s being supported. Sony can force this as well, it's their console and they approve all games being released on it.