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[bishopcruz]

Revenge of the Sith is pretty awful, it's better than AotC but worse than Phantom Menace. It's a shame too. The prequels actually have a good story that is killed by horrible dialogue and bad direction of the actors in them. TFA is the exact opposite, and it still comes off better. The story in TFA sucks the big one but the acting is good and the characters are so likable that No one cares that the story is pure nonsense. If someone had doctored the scripts and gotten some good acting out of the talented actors in the prequels, they could have been amazing. As it is though they're jot garbage.

 

[dofry]

It's never going to be considered good. So stop asking and just accept that the film(s) are just, bad. Nothing will ever change them. They are made and can't be recut to be good. There is no material that could make that happen.

 

[Raptor]

No.

Yes.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I see a lot of praise for McDiarmid's character in RotS and I sort of get it; the dude was clearly having a blast.

But I just cannot reconcile the Palpatine we get in that film with the one in the OT. They ruined his aesthetic, his voice, everything. My favourite scenes are the opera scene and when he silently places his hand on Anakin's brow after the duel on Mustafar, in symmetry with Obi-Wan and Luke in ANH. That's as far as I would go.

Anakin should have been Luke's age in Episode 1. His fall could have been depicted with more of a curve. Vader was all about law and order and peace - Anakin's temptation needed to be that the war was so bad and that the Jedi had collapsed on the battlefield so catastrophically that he believed he had no choice but to enhance his powers through the dark side and end a destructive conflict through sheer force.

What we got instead was a selfish and self-absorbed Anakin willing to kill children because his groomer said so. He doesn't even pause to contemplate the fact he has been manipulated or that Palpatine so clearly has been pulling the strings. It makes the narrative completely unbelievable, if it wasn't already.

Anakin's turn to Vader should have definitely been slower and more subtle. I think he should have been an idealistic young adult in the first film (like Luke), then seduced by the dark side in the second film, and then helped eradicate the Jedi in the third film (just like Obi-Wan said shortly after meeting Luke).

 

[Akuun]

It's the best of the three prequels but that's really, REALLY not saying much. It's still a shitty movie in many, many ways.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Anakin's turn to Vader should have definitely been slower and more subtle. I think he should have been an idealistic young adult in the first film (like Luke), then seduced by the dark side in the second film, and then helped eradicate the Jedi in the third film (just like Obi-Wan said shortly after meeting Luke).

This would have been way better.
Instead we got creepy Amidala - kid Anakin thing, Jar Jar, the whole episode 2, "only a sith deals in absolutes", and many many dumb shit.

This is why the prequels hurt so much. The potential was there, the story had a broad scope to work with; but instead we got 3 shitty movies.

 

[graffix13]

It's better than TFA, I will give it that.

 

[Beerman462]

Poll is a farce.

 

[Peru]

It's the most offensively bad prequel because it's the most pretentious, in an angsty teenage boy kind of way, a nu metal approach to 'darkness' with the most awkwardly unappealing main character ever.

 

[Lothars]

Getting a lot of fun from posters that were diehard fans of TFA when it was released and now say it's worse than the prequels.

Star wars fans.

TFA was amazing, it's not tacky or stupid and the actors delivered, the characters were interesting, and let's be honest, it introduced the world to a lot of new fans. The IP was falling to irrelevancy and it possibly saved it.

Yup TFA is great, There are some haters of it but that seems to be normal.

 

[Sephzilla]

The problem with how the prequels, and Episode 3 specifically, handles Anakin's turn to the dark side is that it conflicts with how Vader is portrayed in the original trilogy. OT Vader is a true believer in the Dark Side and the Empire and he believes the path he chose was unquestionably the right path. Vader betrayed the Jedi and the Republic because he thought it was best for himself and the galaxy and because he felt the Dark Side was stronger.

Prequel Anakin meanwhile, very clearly doesn't believe in the Dark Side and even straight up says "what have I done?" after helping take out Mace. He doesn't even really betray the Jedi but more or less just stands by while someone else betrays them. And ultimately doesn't turn it because he feels it's the best thing for the galaxy - he's tricked into buying into a belief that he might be able to save his wife. This is why Episode 3 is basically a character assassination of Darth Vader. Episode 3 should have been about Anakin - fully transformed into Vader already - hunting down and murdering Jedi because he believes the Dark Side is stronger and wants to prove that the Dark Side is stronger.

 

[Crossing Eden]

It's better than TFA, I will give it that.

If you have any respect for filmmaking it's really not. Like, at all, it literally doesn't do a single thing better than TFA.

 

[DerZuhälter]

No.

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

 

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[Nibiru]

Hayden Christensen being in practically every scene and being one of the worst actors ever makes Revenge of The Sith unbearable to watch.

 

[Crossing Eden]

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting, and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

You should stop projecting. We're talking about a hollywood movie with a female protagonist who has an actual believable personality instead of incredibly transparent blandness for easy self insertion, a black dude, and a latino as the main characters yet it's overly focus tested.

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Plus have you seen those behind the scenes shots? Everyone involved in this was stoked, from a filmmaker perspective getting the chance to revitalize the star wars series is such a huge opportunity especially with a progressive company allowing you to do quite a bit with it in terms of representation. And something doesn't automatically win points for trying something different if it fails at every regard to actually BE GOOD while trying something different.

 

[teeny]

Anakin's turn to Vader should have definitely been slower and more subtle. I think he should have been an idealistic young adult in the first film (like Luke), then seduced by the dark side in the second film, and then helped eradicate the Jedi in the third film (just like Obi-Wan said shortly after meeting Luke).

Agreed. There are ways to mirror Luke's journey too that would have made sense in terms of the narrative without the.

Vader's exact appeal to Luke to destroy Palpatine, to end the conflict, should have been the very same thing used to tempt Anakin. The Emperor and the Sith should have been a third party here - something which offered an alternative way as the Republic and Jedi tore itself apart. After watching a second film where the heroes are utterly defeated, we could have sympathised with Anakin's turn the way we sympathised with Luke as the revelation was made to him on that outcrop.

The third film should have turned that sympathy into horror as Anakin settled into the persona of Darth Vader.

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

Acting like Lucas didn't have his mind focused on merchandising either back in the 70s/80s or during the prequel era is absolutely hilarious.

I would honestly say that since the buyout, Lucasfilm has shown more care and consideration to the franchise than Lucas did in a very long time.

 

[Sephzilla]

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

Originality does not automatically earn points. The originality of the prequels is something that's massively exaggerated anyway

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Thinking about it, it still blows my mind that we had 3 movies focused on Anakin and yet his entire character arc felt completely rushed in the end

 

[DerZuhälter]

You should stop projecting. And something doesn't automatically win points for trying something different if it fails at every regard to actually BE GOOD while trying something different.

Thanks for the advice, but to me TFA was a hollow experience. Didn't even care watching it a second time, since the first time was so disappointing.

 

[Maxim726X]

I take exception to the poll results-

At least I can remember something about Revenge of the Sith, I remember nothing about Thor 2. That movie wasn't even bad enough to be remembered.

 

[disappeared]

I made the front page of my city newspaper being first in line at the theater and camping out overnight for the first midnight showing of Ep III.

I regret my five-year-long battle with alcoholism less than that.

 

[DedValve]

I'm just noticing there's a spoiler warning for a 10 year old (christ I'm old) movie thats a prequel about a the villain of a 20 year old trilogy of the most world renowned film series.


Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

vader kills a shitty actor

 

[Sephzilla]

I'd argue that Kylo Ren is a more successfully original idea than anything the prequels shot out.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I see a lot of praise for McDiarmid's character in RotS and I sort of get it; the dude was clearly having a blast.

But I just cannot reconcile the Palpatine we get in that film with the one in the OT. They ruined his aesthetic, his voice, everything. My favourite scenes are the opera scene and when he silently places his hand on Anakin's brow after the duel on Mustafar, in symmetry with Obi-Wan and Luke in ANH. That's as far as I would go.

Anakin should have been Luke's age in Episode 1. His fall could have been depicted with more of a curve. Vader was all about law and order and peace - Anakin's temptation needed to be that the war was so bad and that the Jedi had collapsed on the battlefield so catastrophically that he believed he had no choice but to enhance his powers through the dark side and end a destructive conflict through sheer force.

What we got instead was a selfish and self-absorbed Anakin willing to kill children because his groomer said so. He doesn't even pause to contemplate the fact he has been manipulated or that Palpatine so clearly has been pulling the strings. It makes the narrative completely unbelievable, if it wasn't already.

Making Anakin a kid was a huge misstep and set the prequels off on the wrong path because his whole fall had to be rushed in like 1 scene in AotC and then the rest in RotS. TPM should have started with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventurers and the Jedi should have been more flawed, maybe their suppression of emotion causes them to make decisions that leads Anakin to lose trust in them. The Jedi should have also had a hand in starting the Clone Wars so then it's more believable that Anakin would want to kill all of them rather than feeling like a 0 to 1, 180 heel turn that we got. But it all boils down to Anakin not starting out as a kid because that sets your timeline too far back and messes everything up. It even makes his future love interest kind of weird but that's just a Star Wars thing lol.

I'd argue that Kylo Ren is a more successfully original idea than anything the prequels shot out.

Definitely. They established him and portrayed his fall more successfully in one movie than they did Anakin's in three. I also really liked the parallels between Kylo Ren and Darth Vader because they accentuated the deviations much better. Both were presented with the same chance at redemption. Darth Vader chose to save his son and Kylo Ren chose to kill his father. I think that will be a key point moving forward.

 

[Greatest Ever]

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

Damn, sums it up well for me.

I respect the prequels at least for establishing the world before the downfall, CGI-laden and poorly acted as it was. Episode 7 felt like barely any new meaningful locations were created and barely any proper world building was done, and that's before you add in that it was just A New Hope (but worse).

 

[345triangle]

i think phantom menace holds up the best out of all the prequels. it obviously has its egregiously awful moments but overall, it's suitably epic and did a good job of world-building. it's the only movie with scenes that are legitimately great enough to stand up with the OT (duel of the fates in particular).

AotC is just offensively terrible, and i feel like RotS had good intentions but just couldn't comfortably sleep in the angsty, poorly written and acted bed lucas made for it. it's the movie equivalent of linkin park.

 

[Strangelove77]

I ain't gotta do shit, fam.

 

[DrArchon]

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

And the prequels weren't? Did you forget when they kept shoving in shit from the previous movies to appeal nostalgic fans, like not-Boba Fett? When they kept making more and more elaborate CG robots and gunships just so they could be turned into toys for kids to buy at Christmas? When they horrible miscast Sam Jackson as they only black Jedi simply because he's the biggest black actor on the planet?

The prequels were just as merchandise and box-office driven in their creation as TFA was. Make no mistake. Hell, almost all of the Star Wars movies are. Boba Fett is no different from General Grievous is no different from Captain Phasma.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Making Anakin a kid was a huge misstep and set the prequels off on the wrong path because his whole fall had to be rushed in like 1 scene in AotC and then the rest in RotS. TPM should have started with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventurers and the Jedi should have been more flawed, maybe their suppression of emotion causes them to make decisions that leads Anakin to lose trust in them. The Jedi should have also had a hand in starting the Clone Wars so then it's more believable that Anakin would want to kill all of them rather than feeling like a 0 to 1, 180 heel turn that we got. But it all boils down to Anakin not starting out as a kid because that sets your timeline too far back and messes everything up. It even makes his future love interest kind of weird but that's just a Star Wars thing lol.

Movie 1: Meet Anakin, train him, go on an adventure
Movie 2: Bad decisions by the Jedi leads to Anakin doubting them, maybe even leaving them at the end of the movie
Movie 3: Anakin's fall. You could do this without making him a murderous psychopath. Put him in a situation where he has to do something bad to survive (kill a Jedi Master who attacks him) which ultimately destroys any chances of him "coming back" and leads to him getting radicalized.

 

[smisk]

I've always loved Ep 3. I'd almost put it above Jedi, but I think that's mostly just my nostalgia for the prequel era. Definitely has some flaws but overall it's much less boring than the other prequels and has some really cool scenes and effects that still mostly hold up.

 

[Sephzilla]

Making Anakin a kid was a huge misstep and set the prequels off on the wrong path because his whole fall had to be rushed in like 1 scene in AotC and then the rest in RotS. TPM should have started with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventurers and the Jedi should have been more flawed, maybe their suppression of emotion causes them to make decisions that leads Anakin to lose trust in them. The Jedi should have also had a hand in starting the Clone Wars so then it's more believable that Anakin would want to kill all of them rather than feeling like a 0 to 1, 180 heel turn that we got. But it all boils down to Anakin not starting out as a kid because that sets your timeline too far back and messes everything up. It even makes his future love interest kind of weird but that's just a Star Wars thing lol.

I actually would have went in the opposite direction with a couple of ideas. But firstly, I agree that the prequel trilogy should have opened with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventures together just to establish their friendship and that Anakin is already a Jedi. However, I wouldn't have made the Jedi more flawed - I would have made them even less flawed. In the prequels as they are, Vader or more or less just accelerated what was an already in-progress downfall. OT Vader was said to have betrayed and murdered the Jedi. I would make the Jedi less flawed and seem like a rock solid force in the Galaxy to the point where you, as the audience, think "there's no way these guys can fall and there's surely no way one of their own can turn on them" and them fucking boom it happens and you're shocked as an audience member.

In terms of their involvement with the Clone Wars - I would have actually scaled back how involved the Jedi were. Make the Clone Wars and the war with the separatists something that was started by the Republic with no Jedi involvement. Have the Jedi decide to sit out Clone Wars because it's ultimately a political matter and the Jedi serve The Force, not the Republic. Have this be the ultimate thing that drives Anakin to betray them - he wants to help the Galaxy and end the war by any means necessary and he feels the Jedi are not allowing that. And then Anakin's betrayal and defection to, say, the Separatists/The Empire is what prompts the Jedi to side with the Republic.

 

[Calamari41]

There are many problems with the prequels, but the biggest one is that Anakin was whiny, unlikable, and insubordinate like an annoying teenager, and didn't even come across as a good guy at all pretty much from the beginning of Episode II on. When he turned, it was almost like he did it as an act of infantile rebellion. That, and he was tricked, and not even with a convincing trick.

Anakin should have been an overall decent guy who turned for something much more understandable, at least when looking at it from his point of view. It should have been an informed choice... and the technically correct choice. Meaning, he should have been tempted with something and then actually achieved it. The Dark Side was not the answer for Anakin in the prequels, since again he was tricked into switching sides and didn't even get what he was looking for.

Erase the "save Padme" subplot and replace it with something like turning Dark to end the war. I mean, how many millions of lives were lost in the conflict? Anakin should have been highly competent and professional, but being legitimately held back by the Jedi. There should have been situations where he could have ended the war by doing something morally wrong, a "greater good in his mind" kind of thing, but was told to stand down. Like, maybe the big bad guy (same across all three movies) could have been taken out but Obi Wan held Anakin back, because it would have involved killing civilians. Then the bad guy wipes out a city or something, causing Anakin to start questioning whether these Puritanical monks are fit to lead a winning war effort.

This way, Palpatine would have a temptation that makes sense. Tell Anakin "this war is a genocide, people are dying like flies, and it could have ended a long time ago if you had done what you and I know needs to be done. I have the resources and the political clout to finish this thing... help me out here, and we can end this tomorrow. And by the way, just think about what we can accomplish together in peacetime." At least with that reasoning, you can say that Palpatine was technically telling the truth and Anakin wasn't tricked into going along with him. The "trick" should have been the war itself, not some stupid lie told to Anakin involving saving someone from dying.

Anyway, to tie it into the thread topic, this is why Episode III and the prequels as a whole are pretty much irredeemable. Some great action scenes, though.

 

[Garlador]

It's a horrible film that has the benefit of being the best of three horrible films and a few genuinely good scenes sandwiched between giant swaths of awful.

 

[PeskyToaster]

And I disagree.
I don't love the prequels. The dialogue is poor, the characters are unlikable and especially AotC looks horribly dated and poor. They are coarse and rough and irritating to say it in their own words.
But they tried something different. They expanded the universe that is so interesting and inspiring while failing to deliver a compelling movie experience. It was interesting, but frustrating to me.

TFA though is the most horrible thing I can imagine for the Star Wars franchise. It is the epitome of everything Lucas wasn't when he created Star Wars in the 70s. It is the celluloid embodiment of the hollywood-industrial complex. Overly focus tested fanservice drivel where every step of the filmmaking process as been set intune with maximizing merchandise and box office money. Yes the characters are more charismatic, joking around all the time while being tortured, hunted and witnessing mass genocide. And yes in terms of cinematography, look, dialogue and acting it surpasses the prequels easily.
But everything about it feels fake and unearned.

I think you're just projecting what you want to think about the movie, current state of the industry, and false perceptions of the past state of the industry because it's not really supported by reality.

I actually would have went in the opposite direction with a couple of ideas. But firstly, I agree that the prequel trilogy should have opened with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventures together just to establish their friendship and that Anakin is already a Jedi. However, I wouldn't have made the Jedi more flawed - I would have made them even less flawed. In the prequels as they are, Vader or more or less just accelerated what was an already in-progress downfall. OT Vader was said to have betrayed and murdered the Jedi. I would make the Jedi less flawed and seem like a rock solid force in the Galaxy to the point where you, as the audience, think "there's no way these guys can fall and there's surely no way one of their own can turn on them" and them fucking boom it happens and you're shocked as an audience member.

In terms of their involvement with the Clone Wars - I would have actually scaled back how involved the Jedi were. Make the Clone Wars and the war with the separatists something that was started by the Republic with no Jedi involvement. Have the Jedi decide to sit out Clone Wars because it's ultimately a political matter and the Jedi serve The Force, not the Republic. Have this be the ultimate thing that drives Anakin to betray them - he wants to help the Galaxy and end the war by any means necessary and he feels the Jedi are not allowing that.

Yeah I could see that too. I know prequel rewriting has been done to death but I can;t help it sometimes. I was thinking "What would cause Anakin to want to kill the Jedi" but I think you're right, and it works to be the wedge that drives Anakin and Obi-Wan apart. If he had a good reason to kill the Jedi then he's not a bad guy and we want an actual BAD guy. I think Lucas knew this so he had him kill uhh younglings (lol) but that's the main problem with Anakin's trajectory. We need to get to the point where we have a guy bringing in torture robots, choking out subordinates, and standing by as planets are blown up. We got to that guy from the prequel Anakin in about 5 minutes and that's why it feels so off. I'm sure we'll learn more about Kylo Ren but he seems to be the Anakin that we needed back then.

 

[DoctorFling]

When I was rewatching all the SW films last year before TFA sith was a breath of fresh air after the other prequel turds. At least at the start it tries to recapture some idea of adventure when they're rescuing Sheev. After that it becomes boring again for the most part sadly.

The final shot of Owen, Beru and Luke is nice though.

 

[Owari]

The prequels as intended are all terrible movies.

The fan edit though is pretty decent.

 

[teeny]

I actually would have went in the opposite direction with a couple of ideas. But firstly, I agree that the prequel trilogy should have opened with Anakin and Obi-Wan going on Jedi adventures together just to establish their friendship and that Anakin is already a Jedi. However, I wouldn't have made the Jedi more flawed - I would have made them even less flawed. In the prequels as they are, Vader or more or less just accelerated what was an already in-progress downfall. OT Vader was said to have betrayed and murdered the Jedi. I would make the Jedi less flawed and seem like a rock solid force in the Galaxy to the point where you, as the audience, think "there's no way these guys can fall and there's surely no way one of their own can turn on them" and them fucking boom it happens and you're shocked as an audience member.

In terms of their involvement with the Clone Wars - I would have actually scaled back how involved the Jedi were. Make the Clone Wars and the war with the separatists something that was started by the Republic with no Jedi involvement. Have the Jedi decide to sit out Clone Wars because it's ultimately a political matter and the Jedi serve The Force, not the Republic. Have this be the ultimate thing that drives Anakin to betray them - he wants to help the Galaxy and end the war by any means necessary and he feels the Jedi are not allowing that.

I sort of disagree. I think there should have been Jedi involvement. Maybe not at the start, but Jedi should have gotten involved on both sides of the conflict.

That way, you fuel the mistrust the galaxy has at large for Force users and you motivate Anakin's betrayal.

Hence, the Jedi Order should have been a much looser formation with them scattered across different systems and only coming to council for matters of great urgency. We could have seen a lot of different Jedi with variations in their ideology which would have made for good character conflict.

 

[Grisby]

Unlimited powaaaahhh.

 

[Calamari41]

I sort of disagree. I think there should have been Jedi involvement. Maybe not at the start, but Jedi should have gotten involved on both sides of the conflict.

That way, you fuel the mistrust the galaxy has at large for Force users and you motivate Anakin's betrayal.

Hence, the Jedi Order should have been a much looser formation with them scattered across different systems and only coming to council for matters of great urgency. We could have seen a lot of different Jedi with variations in their ideology which would have made for good character conflict.

This would also jibe with the very real concept in the OT and Episode VII that seemingly few people, just 18 years later, even believe that the Jedi and the Force were ever real. I don't know how you go from the Jedi Order that we see in the prequels to an Imperial Officer telling Darth Vader that the Force is a superstition. This would make a lot more sense if the Jedi were fewer in number and didn't intervene nearly as much and especially as institutionally as they do in Episodes I-III.

 

[Servbot24]

It's a 5/10 movie that came after some 2/10 movies.

 

[DoctorFling]

The prequels as intended are all terrible movies.

The fan edit though is pretty decent.

Which edit? Would be interested to see one, if you have the link handy.

 

[Sephzilla]

I sort of disagree. I think there should have been Jedi involvement. Maybe not at the start, but Jedi should have gotten involved on both sides of the conflict.

That way, you fuel the mistrust the galaxy has at large for Force users and you motivate Anakin's betrayal.

Hence, the Jedi Order should have been a much looser formation with them scattered across different systems and only coming to council for matters of great urgency. We could have seen a lot of different Jedi with variations in their ideology which would have made for good character conflict.

But honestly the only people in the OT who really distrust/dislike Force users are the Empire, and Han. The rebellion seems to still fully embrace The Force and even Jabba the Hutt is still familiar with what a Jedi Mind Trick is. That, to me, paints an idea that the reason Imperials dislike Force users is because the Jedi opposed them.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Came to say no

Stayed to vote worse than Dark World

God bless that snarky meme.

 

[PeskyToaster]

Also the prequels helped spawn the Auralnaut Star Wars so I'm glad they exist in their current form.

 

[teeny]

This would also jibe with the very real concept in the OT and Episode VII that seemingly few people, just 18 years later, even believe that the Jedi and the Force were ever real. I don't know how you go from the Jedi Order that we see in the prequels to an Imperial Officer telling Darth Vader that the Force is a superstition. This would make a lot more sense if the Jedi were fewer in number and didn't intervene nearly as much and especially as institutionally as they do in Episodes I-III.

This is my thinking too. The Jedi should be viewed by the galaxy at large the way Owen views Ben in ANH - troublemakers and meddlers that have their own mysterious agenda.

But honestly the only people in the OT who really distrust/dislike Force users are the Empire, and Han. The rebellion seems to still fully embrace The Force and even Jabba the Hutt is still familiar with what a Jedi Mind Trick is. That, to me, paints an idea that the reason Imperials dislike Force users is because the Jedi opposed them.

This is true, and I can't quite reconcile it. Perhaps it's because the rebellion were a hard core of people familiar with Jedi resistance in the Old Republic days, something like that.

I feel like most people would view the Jedi with mistrust and even anger for various reasons, fuelled by an Empire that needed them out of the way. The Imperials of ANH onwards would be subject to the same propaganda. Those that existed at the time of Order 66 and would remember the Clone Wars could have a very good reason, in their view, of why the Jedi were bad news - namely that Force users had a misunderstood ability and they used it to wage a war against one another, embroiling the galaxy in turmoil.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Also the prequels helped spawn the Auralnaut Star Wars so I'm glad they exist in their current form.

They're the best things the prequels brought us.

 

[the anime man]

It's a shit movie with some genuinely cool parts. Its considerably better than the first two but stilll a bad movie.

 

[Sephzilla]

They're the best things the prequels brought us.

The best thing to come from the prequels was Plinkett. Auralnaut's awesome too, though

 

[televator]

In answer to the question in the OP: How much you willing to pay me to accept such a silly notion?