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[dragonyeuw]

No, though I would like them to start putting out smaller AA titles between the tentacle AAAs and GAAS stuff.

 

[Danjin44]

That was an Exclusive but it wasn't made by Sony First Party, that was an Ubisoft game.

So what? Sony still invest money to the game. Some games flop, this happens EVERY generation, that doesn’t mean Sony or any other company suddenly “in trouble“.

 

[BlackTron]

Yes, they should cut their losses and sell the gaming division while they can.

If only Microsoft saved up for the big one instead of playing out a Supermarket Sweep fantasy, everything could have been different.

 

[Punished Miku]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The console still sells and they make money off other published games, they're fine.
But they may need to re-evaluate what they're doing as a publisher because the last 5 years hasn't been kind.

Lmao 2020 literally had Sony releasing this:

- Dreams
- The Last of Us II
- Ghost of Tsushima
- Spider- Man Remastered
- Spider-Man Miles Morales
- Demons Souls
- MLB The Show
- Predator: Hunting Grounds
- Iron Man VR
- Sackboy: A Big Adventure (published and paid by PlayStation even if the studio was not theirs)
- Astro’s Playroom
- Nioh 2 - published by PlayStation

But sure…what a terrible year

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

 

[reinking]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

In a few years when they are leading up to the launch of the PlayStation 6? Nah. Maybe 7-10 years.

 

[mckmas8808]

 

[Aguero9320]

Now? No…

Later? Maybe if they don’t adapt.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Totoki-san is sharpening his blade at this very moment, so PS Studios will undergo some sweet restructuring and optimization, a few young devs will be given new career opportunities elsewhere and the ship will correct its course.

 

[Mr Moose]

Points 420 - Ah, that explains it.

 

[finalflame]

no

One and done.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Yes.. I am surprised they haven't filed for bankruptcy yet.

 

[Skifi28]

Yes.. I am surprised they haven't filed for bankruptcy yet.

 

[Ronin_7]

Sony has put out a lot of money and time with live service games. So far the only title that has made any significant push to this date has been Helldivers 2. The overwhelmingly majority of the top gaming companies in the world today are live service from the Valve’s, Riot Games, Epic Games, Rockstar ect. so it’s no surprise to see Sony making a huge investment in this sector. With the rising cost of AAA games Sony is of the few companies that are still in position to take on this massive problem while these other companies (listed earlier) have transitioned from that position. What can Sony do so that their gaming division can remain successful?

Yeah I'm sure Sony is closing doors tomorrow morning, letters should be going down soon to investors.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

No, not even close. They are still doing extraordinarily well despite the epic flop of Concord.

 

[anothertech]

All signs point to them going third party and dropping out of the hardware game. They should never have put their first party games day one on their streaming platform. And releasing a half powered console this gen really fucked them over.

Oh wait...

 

[Little Chicken]

Yes, I'm very concerned

 

[Aenima]

Sony made more money in the 3 years after the launch of the Ps5 than during the entire Ps4 generation

They are doing fine.

Its still amazing to me how Sony decided to still be in the console making business after the PS3. That MOFO only had 1 year of tiny profits and several years of heavy losses. It paid off cuz the PS4 and PS5 gens printed money like no other gen did.
Also interesting to see that in every gen Sony lost money in the launch years except in the PS5 gen where the launch year seems to have been they most profitable year ever.

 

[cash_longfellow]

MS will port their games to PS5 to keep Sony afloat.

I don’t think enough people with PlayStations want that shit, for it to be as much of a game changer as you delusional folk think it is.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Yes, I'm very concerned

There there, little buddy.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Go hug your mom. You both need it right now.

 

[King Dazzar]

No, they have Concord.

So, you're the guy playing it. I wondered who he was.

 

[yurinka]

Is Sony as a gaming company in trouble?​

Absolutely not. They are more successful than any console maker ever has been in gaming history.

What can Sony do so that their gaming division can remain successful?

To continue doing what they are doing.

This is their top grossing generation for SIE, they made more profit than in all previous generations combined and broke their fastest selling 1st party game record with games released in 2020, 2022, 2023 and 2024. Plus have recent all time records in basically all their segments and are in a multi year growh in all areas.

I was going to post this image to show their revenue and profit, but someone already did it before:

So far the only title that has made any significant push to this date has been Helldivers 2.

Not true, Destiny 2 The Final Shape, Gran Turismo 7, Gran Turismo Sport, MLB, PS Home, Little Big Planet, Everquest series, DC Universe Online are examples of very successful Sony GaaS.

The overwhelmingly majority of the top gaming companies in the world today are live service from the Valve’s, Riot Games, Epic Games, Rockstar ect. so it’s no surprise to see Sony making a huge investment in this sector

The majority of gaming userbase and revenue comes from GaaS, representing a percentage of the total that keeps growing every year since many years ago.

Meaning, to get stuck making only non-GaaS AAA SP games would be a long term suicide for big publishers.

Sony is increasing their investment in non-GaaS SP games while on top of it also started to bet in several GaaS made by very successful and experienced devs. They are doing the right thing, and as a result they are being very successful.

 

[AteBitWolf]

Wukong saved PlayStation this time around. See you in 15 years when they once again release a game that bombs and spreads doomsday prophecies

 

[TrebleShot]

Sony could cancel all internal projects and future console releases and still be hugely profitable.

cod and fifa would keep them going for at least another decade.

 

[kazuyamishima]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

 

[Perrott]

They're the highest grossing single entity in all of gaming and are currently having their most successful and profitable generation ever, how can they be in trouble for the failure of a single game?

 

[thismeinteil]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

Oh, pray tell ole wise one, how are they so vulnerable?

This is their most profitable generation ever, by far. And their closest competitor has basically bowed out and are slowly transitioning to a 3rd party publisher, sending games their way, which is free money for Sony. If you want a HD 4K console, the PS is really the only option.

 

[RoboFu]

What if Sony was the one to buy sega and release the PlaySaturn

Re-release the PS3, but in white!

i loved the ps3

 

[diffusionx]

They're the highest grossing single entity in all of gaming and are currently having their most successful and profitable generation ever, how can they be in trouble for the failure of a single game?

I don't think they are in trouble, but what it comes down to is what is their plan and vision. Like, to use another example, when Marvel was at peak MCU, every movie was making tons of money, Avengers 3 one of the most successful movies ever, etc., they were putting together a plan that was shit like Wandavision, She-Hulk, Eternals, Kang, replace every superhero with a stunning and brave woman, etc.. And once that plan got put into action, it just blew up and now nobody cares and they're scrambling. I also remember when the 2nd of the Soy Wars trilogy came out, all the SJWs were like "lmao losers it's making tons of money" but, then the 3rd one crashed and like, look at it now. It's just a piece of shit franchise. So what is happening right at this moment isn't an indicator, exactly.

Again, I think they're going to be alright, but Destiny flopping, Concord bomba, and the lack of any major release in 2024 (sorry Astro Bot fans) is hopefully a wake up call because whatever led to this is not cutting it.

 

[demigod]

How many SonyToo threads are you going to make?

 

[Griffon]

Maybe... just maybe... that making gamers pay a yearly sub just to be able to play online isn't conducive to big multiplayer game success.

Online gamers would rather play F2P stuff or better yet, on PC where there's no fee.

 

[Neolombax]

Yes, Sony has been doomed for years now...we're waiting for the company's inevitable collapse. Might be soon though. Apparently Concord is the trigger, from what I've been told.

 

[dano1]

Brought to us by the same person that gave us this gem of a thread...

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-did-sony-and-microsoft-decided-to-kill-console-gaming.1673875/

He is trying his click bait skills to see if he has a career in Journalism

 

[DavidGzz]

You guys acting as if this first time Sony made a game that was complete flop....

Stop overreacting to every little thing.

Everyone was trying to kill Halo when all we had to do was wait for Halo to kill itself.

 

[bender]

 

[drganon]

You need to have your ability to make threads taken away.

 

[Yoda]

I think some people are being a bit dismissive to the point, while certainly they are in no immediate trouble, their strategy was to lean in hard to GAAS and it clearly is failing (Bungie layoffs, concord, last of us multiplayer cancellation). The company clearly wanted it's software products to have long tail monetization beyond pushing units and w/e projections they had back when they were on a shopping spree for studios are most likely all coming in well below expectations. I think the PS5 generation will continue as we'd expect, but the next generation will most likely need another narrative to drive growth beyond what they can do with good action/adventure exclusives and not shooting themselves in the foot like their competition has a habit of doing.

 

[FoxMcChief]

no

Agreed. But they would be better off without a mouth breathing Horizon fanboy at the helm.

 

[JORMBO]

This is why we haven't gotten a new Knack game in a lot of time. If they get in enough trouble they know they can then pump out a new Knack to make billions. They will be ok.

 

[Coconutt]

Not even close buddy, would take a lot for sony to fail at this point. Bloodborne remaster plus PC release

 

[[Sigma]]

Of course not but I feel like PlayStation has been making the obvious bad decisions at times lately the last 5 years or so. Like it's ok to make mistakes/bad decisions on things but just don't make the obvious bad ones.

 

[SHA]

Accessibility steals the curiosity to discover the unknown and narrow our view to less than 10 games, I think it's the cost of being lazy, stay physical, even though I prefer digital, it's what it's.

 

[Del_X]

Sony made more money in the 3 years after the launch of the Ps5 than during the entire Ps4 generation

They are doing fine.

Interesting how OI has halved the past couple years. That looks like absolute shit.

 

[EviLore]

No, but the PS5 needs more interesting releases and shorter development cycles, not a mid-gen pro graphics refresh for the handful of current gen games worth playing.

 

[Vroadstar]

They're not going away, but I think they're definitely more vulnerable than people on here like to believe. But it's pointless to discuss on here. Maybe in a few years people will be emotionally prepared to have that conversation.

 

[Unrivaledx88]

They were Before the PS4 launch , now the gaming industry depends on PS. Dumb thread

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

They're not in immediate trouble as such. But there are a few things that have happened that make me think they're not quite as invincible as some would believe.

Jim Ryan 'retiring' (you don't usually see these types of guys on big money step down when it's smooth sailing ahead and more money to be made), leaks about concerns about their strategy moving forward, their mixed GaaS so far, comments from Sony execs concerned with profit margins, Bungie layoffs and speculation, etc.

I get the feeling behind closed doors that Sony / PS have concerns about how they're going to grow in the future beyond the traditional console base. We can see they've made attempts with VR, PC releases and GaaS all with mixed results so far.

People look at them now and think, 'they just need to get back to what they do well, release big AAA single-player games on consoles'. The problem is, shareholders are insatiable beasts who want more, more, more and a the moment it looks like the console market is reaching it's bounds. Not to mention AAA development has become an even longer and more expensive task than ever with single games development starting to span entire generations. You really need to be hitting gold everytime.

 

[Maddoxswe]

If you asked me for 2 months ago i would probably write something that you are mental But if they continue the dark road with woke shit i believe they would end up the same path Microsoft/Xbox is on right now.