I don't think you can really extrapolate an entire game based a spoiler video.
If 90 minutes of leaked footage aren't enough to justify an opinion, why are 30 minutes of official footage suddenly enough to form one ?
I very much doubt the entire plot of the game was exposed and I'm sure there is some context people are missing. I really don't understand why people wont respect a studio enough to play through on their own before judgement or allow the reviewers you trust to give their verdict.
How about because resources - time and money - are scarce?
People judging TLOU 2 now based on these leaks seems really forced to me, it's like they were never really interested and waiting for something to pounce on......
This is where your bias show.
You're complaining about the fraction of people wo took a look and didn't like what they watched. But you're not complaining about those who did take a peek but decided the game was their cup of tea. To you the problem isn't deciding based off on leaks. It only seems to be a problem when one decides to skip the game this time around and criticize it. Going though leaked material and then proceeding to praise it and pre-order it, now that gets a free pass from you.
Especially those who say they were the biggest ND fan and are now cancelling their pre-orders. Anyone can order a game and cancel it for whatever reasons, even fake that they are fans and give their take,
This is such a bizarre point.
How many people out of all of those complaining have you seen posting pre-order cancelation screengrabs?
the extremes some will go to. Yet, I don't see how you are a huge fan of ND and you know story is big for ND games and still went to watch spoilers.
A number of reasons.
I've read people admitting they succumbed to unrefrainable curiosity. Others have said they're rather short on cash and wanted to check the game extensively before commuting to it.
It's just does not make much sense, since you would want to experience that on your own playthrough fresh.
Already addressed.
Like this for e.g, if this is not sarcasm that is....
Their last two main games was 92% and 93% on Meta and they both sold boatloads. Top of your game means your games are reviewing well and selling even better.
I predict TLoU2 will review and sell extremely well.
If you don't like most ND games that's fine, but you can't judge a game until it's released.
I most certainly can.
What would even be the point of official promo material if that were the case? Official trailers and gameplay demos seek to persuade people to buy a videogame on cursory first impressions. If cursory first impressions can be the basis of a purchase, they can also lead to a decision to skip the game this time around. Why wouldn't you be able to reach the opposite conclusion based off on a leak that's thrice as long as all the official material put together?
I can judge art direction - I won't play games whose art direction I dislike -, I can get a sample of the voice acting, I can get a feel for the dialogue, whether it is on the nose or not, I can asses graphics, etc.
People do this everyday. People infer. They don't go around buying everything that might interest them. They make judgement calls every day. Videogames are not special in this regard.
. The issue is when people believe they need to wage a war because of it,
The belligerency I've witnessed first hand from those who're criticizing the game seems to be right on par with that of those defending it. This thread is no different from countless others criticizing ND or TLoU2, not in its tone, not in its contrarian nature.
they didn't like some direction of story in one of the games and they pretend as if the gameplay in UC has changed and they cant play anymore.. One guy is even upset that Nadine beats Drake, these little things are meaningless as reasons to fight a studio...
Certainly, those are meaningless to you.
But because it's their money and their time being spent, they should base the decision on their preferences, not on yours.
The leaks is not representative of 20-30 hours of a game.
To even be able to know that, you would've to have A) watched the footage - but didn't you just criticize people who watched it a moment ago? and B) know how the full game plays out - and you don't know that, do you?
Therefore, that's a speculative baseless claim.
People can buy or not buy ND games, that's not my issue.
You could have fooled me.
My issue is the reasons people give, how are you judging an unreleased product. People saying that the leak is why they went from the biggest fan to the most critical does not make much sense. You are so annoyed that you are willing to miss probably the best game this generation because you are against a certain story line or one snippet of the story arch. I would nto call such persons fans, they are only hiding behind that guise....
Yes, and that would show the extent to which a storyline and/or politics are important to them. Not to you, but to them. They are the ones making the decision, according to their values and preferences, not yours.
This is bizarre, because on one hand you claim this is all subjective but then you refuse to accept the natural consequences of that subjectivity.
I'm all up for choice and people liking what they like, but there is no truth to these radical 180's......
Translation: "People can like what they like, up until the point I cease to understand it".
It's like your favorite/most anticipated movie is coming to cinema, you've seen all the trailers, all your friends say they are going to watch it and it looks great, but then when you get to the cinema door, one guy says to you, this happens in the beginning of the movie, the movie sucks. You turn and go home and say you are massively dissapointed, this does not compute...
That's a lousy analogy.
90 minutes of leaked material are not equivalent to that, not in the least.
Still, ND hate and people trying to diminish their games, their review scores, their numerous GOTY's, their sales, the graphics they push, the stories they tell is nothing new.....It's been consistent and widespread against ND for years. Cue any thread where people say UC4 and LL are the best looking games they've seen, an ND game is the best they've played or any thread where people praise ND or where they reach another milestone in sales. Hating on ND has nothing to do with the leak, it's mostly people hating on their success and the quality games they've been pushing for a while now. ND has always delivered on some of the best looking games, best reviewed and some of the most well received games relative to sales. Their characters and animation work and general tech has always been on point forever. Crash and Jak was just straight bonkers back in the day and it's the same now with their current games, pushing the envelope......People want to tear them down through poaching, such a big studio of course some people will be disgruntled, working at such a studio, the expectation from employees is high, you are not working on bad rats 3......So people want to see them fall because of that longstanding and consistent success, but sometimes I think we are against ourselves in this industry, our own worst enemies by allowing our console affiliations to set narratives in motion that we know not to be true. ND is a great studio, LOU 2 is their biggest game, they needed more people to work on it, it's not like all the good people have left, that's far from the truth. Allow the game to do the talking as opposed to smear it with "what I saw in the leaks" is the worse sin ever imagined, ND will never be forgiven types of hyperbole and fake news. Let people judge for themselves and read proper reviews when the time is right.....
I keep waiting for hard evidence for that concerted attack on ND.
You keep failing to deliver it.
Unsubstantiated claims can be readily dismissed.
Also, people should really read on other studios which had/have a high quality ceiling. Shigeru Miyamoto/Nintendo was/is no joke when it came to what they expect from their employees. You don't make the best games by just coming in and doing the normal 8 hours, you have to push beyond that. We currently have a culture, where people complain about everything, they want to do the most minimal tasks, hardly accomplish their targets, but are always at the forefront of wanting higher salaries and benefits.....This world is much too competitive for normal and underserving employees and efforts. You need drive and ambition and for people not to be lazy to succeed....I think the current culture of people simply "talking smack online and on Youtube" and getting paid, the social influencers, only fans, people mailing soiled panties have caused people to believe this is how life should work. Then of course any disgruntled employee who got the axe, discord goon or person with an agenda can go on twitter and wage his war/fud there......There is no shortage of avenues to direct an attack these days, and lets be honest, our so called game journalists are mostly Youtube people now, they love a controversial story and will even make mountains out of mole-hills to secure the hits.......Then LOU 2 drops and everybody loves it and it gets great accolades and the cycle continues....Then you say, but the leak said, this journalist said, this former disgruntled dev said...Yet by now, we should know that the level of honesty and sincerity within the vestiges of current journalism is long gone. It's all about the hits now and anything goes towards that end...
I'm for developers deciding whether or not they'll crunch and then for them to face the ensuing music. The people on Resetera bashing ND for allegedly overworking their employees and calling for a boycott just don't strike me as working hand-in-hand with people around here complaining about the swerve the storyline seems to have taken.
So not only do we not have any concrete evidence that a concerted attack is happening, we also have a hint that it isn't concerted at all.
You'll have to do much better if you want to convince people on a rational basis.
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