Vincent Alexander
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teruterubozu said:
ITT: METALLICA
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yacobod said:
Wait, so everyone was lying when they said Metallica's influenced them in the 80's?
It's not really just how they influenced other thrash bands. I would bet Metallica inspired a ton of kids to pick up guitars, and many of them probably ended up playing different types of metal or rock.
Somehow I doubt fucking Testament has had more of an influence in music than Metallica.
Somehow I doubt fucking Testament has had more of an influence in music than Metallica.
Gouty
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NGAMER9 said:
Interesting. I know we don't have access to the master recordings or anything but I wonder if anything could be done with St. Anger. I made a rip of the DVD that came with that album of them playing it live, in the rehearsal space and usually listen to that instead of the actual album.
Metallica is overrated like Slayer....if there's an album that deserves to be bought, people should personally own "Kill Em All" that's it. Kill em all was and is still the best fuckin album they ever released and everything went down hill after Kill Em all. Being unfair? Hardly. Sure there's a few songs like Fight fire with fire (ride the lightning), and from the master of puppets are songs like Battery, and disposable heroes that should be in your Ipod ASAP.
Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever?
Meh.
Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever?
Meh.
Vincent Alexander
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I remember someone from Testament talking shit about St. Anger a few years ago. I'd never heard of them, so I got my hand on their CDs and gave a listen. Not lying at all....just being dead honest....they were terrible. Every once-in-a-while I heard an interesting riff, but that was all.Ænima said:
gimmmick
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Kill `em All and Ride the Lighting are there best albums (Ride being my favorite).
Cliff Burton - Bass Solo - Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)
It makes you wonder how much better metallica would have been if he was still alive =\
Cliff Burton - Bass Solo - Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)
It makes you wonder how much better metallica would have been if he was still alive =\
This is the band that got me into hard rock and metal when I was in high school and really got me playing guitar. I think Nothing Else Matters was one of the first songs I ever learned to play.
Thoughts:
- Everyone who jokes about how they only have 3 (or 4) albums and broke up after 89 sucks at music.
- Black Album is a terribly inconsistent album. The only good songs are the ones where they noticeably changed up their style: Enter Sandman, Sad But True, The Unforgiven, Wherever I May Roam, Nothing Else Matters and Of Wolf and Man... all of these are god-tier. Everything else is mediocre at best. The "thrash" songs on the album are leagues below their previous thrash. I don't know what they were thinking with stuff like Holier Than Thou or Through the Never.
- Load is a really good album for the most part, but 2x4 is one of the top 3 worst songs they've ever written. Ain't My Bitch is a terrible opener. The album gets much, much better after those first two songs. The Outlaw Torn is one of their top 10 songs.
- Reload has some terrible songs in Slither and Better Than You, but aside from those songs the album is actually much better than I first thought it was. The first four songs (Fuel, The Memory Remains, Devil's Dance and The Unforgiven II) are all great. The last three songs (Low Man's Lyric, Attitude and Fixxxer) are almost as good. It's those middle songs that drag the album down.
- St. Anger blows aside from The Unnamed Feeling and Sweet Amber.
- Death Magnetic is fantastic. I don't even care that much about the shit production. The compositions are good. The only bad thing I can say about the album is that it sounds like Kirk was just going through the motions on some of the solos. The Judas Kiss is a great example of this. The first solo he plays on that song is some of the most mindless, pointless shred wankery I've heard. However, the SECOND solo on that song is amazing; it's like he finally remembered that a guitar solo should go somewhere and should have memorable hooks in it.
Thoughts:
- Everyone who jokes about how they only have 3 (or 4) albums and broke up after 89 sucks at music.
- Black Album is a terribly inconsistent album. The only good songs are the ones where they noticeably changed up their style: Enter Sandman, Sad But True, The Unforgiven, Wherever I May Roam, Nothing Else Matters and Of Wolf and Man... all of these are god-tier. Everything else is mediocre at best. The "thrash" songs on the album are leagues below their previous thrash. I don't know what they were thinking with stuff like Holier Than Thou or Through the Never.
- Load is a really good album for the most part, but 2x4 is one of the top 3 worst songs they've ever written. Ain't My Bitch is a terrible opener. The album gets much, much better after those first two songs. The Outlaw Torn is one of their top 10 songs.
- Reload has some terrible songs in Slither and Better Than You, but aside from those songs the album is actually much better than I first thought it was. The first four songs (Fuel, The Memory Remains, Devil's Dance and The Unforgiven II) are all great. The last three songs (Low Man's Lyric, Attitude and Fixxxer) are almost as good. It's those middle songs that drag the album down.
- St. Anger blows aside from The Unnamed Feeling and Sweet Amber.
- Death Magnetic is fantastic. I don't even care that much about the shit production. The compositions are good. The only bad thing I can say about the album is that it sounds like Kirk was just going through the motions on some of the solos. The Judas Kiss is a great example of this. The first solo he plays on that song is some of the most mindless, pointless shred wankery I've heard. However, the SECOND solo on that song is amazing; it's like he finally remembered that a guitar solo should go somewhere and should have memorable hooks in it.
DeSo
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Shit man, thanks, this is awesome.NGAMER9 said:
And yeah, Metallica were my gateway band and I still love 'em. Can't believe there's AJFA hate though. For the production, sure, but for the songs themselves? I think the title track is my favourite Metallica track. That or Sanitarium.
Musically I love AJFA, but the drum sounds on that album are nothing but dull thudding noises.
Granted drums have always been the weak link to Metallica's sound, and now they've gone full circle from overly muffled and compressed thuds to banging on what sounds like coffee cans and trash cans for their last two albums, but that album was absolutely terrible WRT drums.
The 90s albums are pretty much the only metallica albums with decent drum sounds. Whatever negative effect bob rock may have had on the music, at least he taught them how to record and mix drums so they sound decent, although they have clearly forgotten it already.
Granted drums have always been the weak link to Metallica's sound, and now they've gone full circle from overly muffled and compressed thuds to banging on what sounds like coffee cans and trash cans for their last two albums, but that album was absolutely terrible WRT drums.
The 90s albums are pretty much the only metallica albums with decent drum sounds. Whatever negative effect bob rock may have had on the music, at least he taught them how to record and mix drums so they sound decent, although they have clearly forgotten it already.
Do you love Metallica? Cool, there's a lot of people feeling the same.
Do you hate Metallica? There's a legion of people eager to write long walls of text about why they're the most shitty and overrated band ever.
Conclusion: There is a lot of passion about and around Metallica, people like to talk about Metallica. They have sold more than 100 million records, the fanbase has both old dudes and kids, they are able to extend the tour of a "mediocre, average" album like Death Magnetic for more than 3 years; they have played gigs with more than 1 million souls in front of them (moscow '91). If that's not being one of the most important rock bands in history, I don't know what it is.
I'm not saying they're "OMG, teh best band evah!111!", just stating some facts. Trying to completely write them off just because you don't like their songs is stupid. They're a cultural icon of the 20th century.
But my actual thoughts on them...? well:
-Kill 'em All is, in my opinion, the first truly great american metal album (sorry Megadeth fans, but Four Horsemen is better than Mechanix) .
-The Call of Ktulu is their best instrumental.
-Master of Puppets is in fact overrated, but I think the title track is their best "long" song and Damage, Inc. is their best "thrash" song.
-Black Album had the best production possible at the time.
-Jason Newsted was an AMAZING backing vocalist.
-Death Magnetic has great, fresh songs like All Nightmare Long but some really bad moments like Unforgiven III or Suicide and Redemption.
-Epic live shows. My first time seeing them was in the 2009 Mexico City shows (the Orgullo, pasion y gloria DVD); not a single complaint, they rock.
Well, my theory is that the sober, married, happy, rich as fuck Hetfield doesn't have negative stuff to write about anymore. Sad for us fans
Bonus pic: Lars cosplaying as Hermione from Harry Potter:
Do you hate Metallica? There's a legion of people eager to write long walls of text about why they're the most shitty and overrated band ever.
Conclusion: There is a lot of passion about and around Metallica, people like to talk about Metallica. They have sold more than 100 million records, the fanbase has both old dudes and kids, they are able to extend the tour of a "mediocre, average" album like Death Magnetic for more than 3 years; they have played gigs with more than 1 million souls in front of them (moscow '91). If that's not being one of the most important rock bands in history, I don't know what it is.
I'm not saying they're "OMG, teh best band evah!111!", just stating some facts. Trying to completely write them off just because you don't like their songs is stupid. They're a cultural icon of the 20th century.
But my actual thoughts on them...? well:
-Kill 'em All is, in my opinion, the first truly great american metal album (sorry Megadeth fans, but Four Horsemen is better than Mechanix) .
-The Call of Ktulu is their best instrumental.
-Master of Puppets is in fact overrated, but I think the title track is their best "long" song and Damage, Inc. is their best "thrash" song.
-Black Album had the best production possible at the time.
-Jason Newsted was an AMAZING backing vocalist.
-Death Magnetic has great, fresh songs like All Nightmare Long but some really bad moments like Unforgiven III or Suicide and Redemption.
-Epic live shows. My first time seeing them was in the 2009 Mexico City shows (the Orgullo, pasion y gloria DVD); not a single complaint, they rock.
Interfectum said:
Well, my theory is that the sober, married, happy, rich as fuck Hetfield doesn't have negative stuff to write about anymore. Sad for us fans
Bonus pic: Lars cosplaying as Hermione from Harry Potter:
Kong Fisso
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PetriP-TNT
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Lars cant play that.Vincent Alexander said:
Col. John Matrix
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TheLastCandle said:
Absolutely, compare this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmLIYREjF8
with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs9bxpLB2cg
It's night and day. Lombardo injects a sense of urgency and power into the track it hasn't had in years, arguably ever if you ask me.
Anyway I've never been a big fan of the band, they have some good tracks, great riffs and they were, in their early years at least, masterful at writing songs with a hook.
But it's mostly ruined by poor production, average to flat-out poor drumming, and Kirk abusing the wah pedal as if it were going out of style.
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PetriP-TNT said:
Vincent Alexander said:
Re-load was my first Metallica album. I borrowed the audio tape from a friend during a scouts camping trip (he wanted my X Files Movie soundtrack) and got hooked the second Fuel started. Memory Remains, Devil's Dance, Unforgiven 2, Prince Charming and Low Man's Lyric. All great tracks in my opinion and I loved every minute of it. It wasn't after a year and a bit did I look into Metallica's pre-Black albums (after buying Load and Black) and I understood why some people didn't like Load/Reload. Those albums were far better. But I still love the Load/Re-load albums regardless.
Half and half
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Fade to Black is my song. The way they're still jammin out at the end, feels like they could keep going indefinitely.
I have Battery in the ipod for working out.
I have Battery in the ipod for working out.
metsallica
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Metallica has been my favorite band for over 20 years, so it warms my heart to see this thread stay relatively civil. I've seen them play all across the country, from shows with 80,000 in attendance to shows with a few hundred (was tough to go to other concerts after that one...). I've watched them grow as musicians and people and regress as both too many times to count, but after all these years one thing remains true: they still move me, and they still make music I enjoy. It might not be of the same caliber as it once was, it might not even be in the same genre, but it still speaks to certain aspects of my being, in many ways more than it ever has, and for that I'll forever be grateful. Whenever they release an album, I'll be there. Whenever they play a show and I'm local (or somewhat local!), I'll be there. They've been there for me, whether they realize it or not, so I'm happy to repay even if they're not quite the same band I went crazy for in third grade.
fabricated backlash
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metsallica said:
I have a similar connection to this band. It's a bit too personal for me to share it here, but its sufficient to say that the Band and interestingly enough, the ST. Anger Album in particular had a deep impact on me, and brought me through some tough times.
I really usually don't enjoy discussing about Metallica because the discussion almost allways turns into the usual "old Metallica" is better, new Metallica sucks... BS argument, when its mostly about "my taste is better than your taste" .
I pretty much like all their albums for different reasons. But I have to say that I vastly prefer their live performances over their studio recordings. To me there is not a single studio recording except for maybe Garage Inc and Kill em all that actually comes close to the energy and atmosphere they convey during live performances. Especially Ride the lightning and Master of Puppets sound too sterile and clean.
Kermit The Dog
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-Eddman- said:
I agreed with everything you said, but this made me want to punch you in the throat. ORION.
Also, Suicide and Red had a fantastic climax, but the rest of it is a little dull.
Vincent Alexander
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Completely agree. In particular, the live version of The Four Horsemen on Some Kind of Monster EP is one of my favorites.boris feinbrand said:
As far as I'm concerned, there is no bad Metallica album. There is only Godly, and near-Godly.
Unfortunately, there's probably not much you can do sound-quality wise aside from that DVD rip (I have the DVD too, it is much better than the album). The problem with St. Anger isn't the mixing, there's not nearly as much clipping as Death Magnetic, it is the overprocessed guitars and the drum sound, and there's nothing we can do about that now.Gouty said:
Now editing some of the repetition out of the songs, that could happen and would probably be a better listen, a lot of the songs seem like the same song played twice in a row.
Glad people are checking out the Mark III mix though, it really does sound much better, the bass and drums come in more clearly without distorting the mix.
necrolysis
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I love me some Metallica. Favorite album is kinda hard for me to pin down, as I seem to favor a different album of theirs every couple months. I do have to say that ReLoad and St. Anger took the longest to grow on me. I love Death Magnetic, I just wish the production had been better. Black album tends to be the one I listen to the least, mainly because so many of the songs still get frequent radio play. Through the Never is my favorite off it, though. I could also listen to Creeping Death every single day and be perfectly fine with that.
I saw them in '97 in Greensboro, NC when they toured for Load, and it is still one of the best concert experiences I've ever had. Corrosion of Conformity being the opening act was an added bonus, as I'm a Raleigh boy myself.
My top 3:
1. Creeping Death
2. All Nightmare Long
3. Mama Said (I don't know why, but for some reason this is my favorite Load track. it just kinda grew on me.)
I saw them in '97 in Greensboro, NC when they toured for Load, and it is still one of the best concert experiences I've ever had. Corrosion of Conformity being the opening act was an added bonus, as I'm a Raleigh boy myself.
My top 3:
1. Creeping Death
2. All Nightmare Long
3. Mama Said (I don't know why, but for some reason this is my favorite Load track. it just kinda grew on me.)
shorty_symd said:
IMO, the top-tier Load/Reload songs are just as good as most of the songs on their first five albums. There are just too many mediocre or even poor songs that you have to skip over to get to the good stuff. It really should have been one album.
3ur4zn said:
The main riff in Suicide in Redemption is pretty good, but a little too close to Down Rodeo by Rage Against the Machine to be called original. It also takes up too much of the song. The first 3:40 of the song is just the main riff and a few others repeated over and over. It gets really good after 3:40 IMO, especially with the harmonized leads. 4:29-5:20 is absolutely orgasmic and right on par with anything they've ever done. And the climax is good, as you said. It just takes too long to get there.
DieNgamers
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To me Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are pretty much the only thrash albums manage to balance actual songwriting and steamrolling metal riffs. They were such a huge step up from Kill 'em All!
You can sing with the riffs or just bang your head...It's all so memorable and tight! Metallica had their very own style and didn't sound like the hundrets of samey bands of that era. The only album that comes close is Peace Sells by Megadeth, in my opinion.
You can sing with the riffs or just bang your head...It's all so memorable and tight! Metallica had their very own style and didn't sound like the hundrets of samey bands of that era. The only album that comes close is Peace Sells by Megadeth, in my opinion.
Combichristoffersen
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NGAMER9 said:
Trapped Under Ice is a bit poop too.
DieNgamers said:
For real, people who're big into thrash rip on metallica a lot for not being the fastest, or heaviest, or whatever, but really it's not the point - they have good songs! So many of the other supposedly "great" thrash bands (exodus, testament, overkill) I swear to god one song is the same as the next.
Only ones that come close for me are megadeth as you say and annihilator.
moojito
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I first heard/saw metallica on the video of the Freddie Mercury tribute concert. sad but true/enter sandman/nothing else matters is what they played. I remember copying them onto a cassette tape, taking my walkman into school and asking some of the resident metal fans there what the songs were called.
Probably my favourite performance from that gig, though guns n' roses were pretty good as well.
Probably my favourite performance from that gig, though guns n' roses were pretty good as well.
Ickman3400
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Kong Fisso said:
More like it's a mess of a song like most of Megadeth's early stuff, combined with Dave's awful singing (which even though it did get better, it was completely unlistenable in the early days).
I'll take 4 horseman too.
Combichristoffersen
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Puddles said:
It's not even one of the best songs on RtL. Still not as bad as Escape though.
Slappers Only
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Ride the Lightning's solo is a song in itself. One of the best interplays between rhythm and lead in metal.corkscrewblow said:
Also, Escape is honestly a pretty stupid song, but it's amongst some stiff competition on Ride, and I still like it.
added_time
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bumparoo:
I like Death Magnetic so I thought I would go back and give St Anger one more chance after tossing it aside after a quick listen at release.
I can finally appreciate it on some level. It's definitely the craziest and "punk" thing they've done. It's noisy, loud, poorly recorded on purpose and just brutal.
I'm not going to go crazy here and say I like it better than their other albums but I think it's very interesting and I can see how a band stuck in a rut would want to make a weird fuck off album like this.
I guess I'm saying I'm finally a real fan of the album. It's really rough around the edges but it has a lot of heart and it's a pretty fun and interesting listen if you aren't expecting typical Metallica.
(I still wish they didn't record the snare drum ringing so loud like that though)
I like Death Magnetic so I thought I would go back and give St Anger one more chance after tossing it aside after a quick listen at release.
I can finally appreciate it on some level. It's definitely the craziest and "punk" thing they've done. It's noisy, loud, poorly recorded on purpose and just brutal.
I'm not going to go crazy here and say I like it better than their other albums but I think it's very interesting and I can see how a band stuck in a rut would want to make a weird fuck off album like this.
I guess I'm saying I'm finally a real fan of the album. It's really rough around the edges but it has a lot of heart and it's a pretty fun and interesting listen if you aren't expecting typical Metallica.
(I still wish they didn't record the snare drum ringing so loud like that though)
WrathOfOtaibah
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I just started reading this thread, and yes I'm a metallica fan. What I find hilarious is that yacobod tries his hardest to make people think he's some sort of authority on metal, when his views is more or less that of a poser. Metallica not influential? hahaha bitch what you smoking?
Buckethead
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Death Magnetic is a bloated mess not to mention contains one of the worst mix jobs in the history of music.
Black album and before, alright solid stuff.
Black album and before, alright solid stuff.
Goro Majima
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...And Justice for All is probably one of my top 5 maybe even top 3 albums of all time.
It's a lot like listening to a soundtrack to some unmade movie for me.
I also never met anyone who vehemently hated Metallica until that whole Napster thing.
It's a lot like listening to a soundtrack to some unmade movie for me.
I also never met anyone who vehemently hated Metallica until that whole Napster thing.
T.M. MacReady
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I love when this thread gets bumped. I always get excited when i read the title, ITT: METALLICA. For some reason when i hear it in my head it sounds epic.
:::listens to Damage Inc.::::::
:::listens to Damage Inc.::::::
Muffdraul
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I was 15 when Ride the Lighting came out. My friend (we were both punks) played it to me because he thought the first song on the album was hilariously ridiculous the way it started with pretty classical guitar and then went straight into thrash. I remember him giggling and dancing around like a ballerina. He assumed I'd think it was as lame as he did, but I thought it was fucking beautiful.
I couldn't really give less of a shit what Metallica did after 1990 or so. I don't think it's pure garbage or anything, I actually like some of it. But for me there's just no competing w/ Lighting and Puppets. Absolute classics.
I couldn't really give less of a shit what Metallica did after 1990 or so. I don't think it's pure garbage or anything, I actually like some of it. But for me there's just no competing w/ Lighting and Puppets. Absolute classics.
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