ITT: METALLICA

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captive

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yacobod said:
ya metallica really pioneered that bay area sound lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuVnmXkTd_w - Kill on Command (STAND STILL AND MAKE MY JOB EASIER)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClBkyLehIBU - Lesson in Violence \m/ (Exodus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTdGnKB8j7U - Bonded by Blood (Exodus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59-noFUUT2w - Eternal Nightmare (Vio-Lence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62Br1gWpbY - Merciless Death (Dark Angel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWLbgqCkUk (CITY IS GUILTY CRIME IS LIFE....)

we can include some testament and death angel in here too but i dont feel like linking anymore.
First of all these songs are pretty bad choices if you're trying to convince me that Metallica either copied these guys sound or imitated or whatever you're trying to infer. These songs all remind me of Slayer, Kreator and some Death in fact i would rather listen to those three than any of the songs i was just subjected to. The drumming and guitars on the last one is standard fare thrash, pretty boring. The drumming and guitars on any of Metallica's albums pre black album are simply better and more interesting which is why they've stood the test of time.

It doesn't matter who pioneered what. Metallica simply did it better than any one else. They created memorable songs that people outside the metal community were actually willing to listen to.

The fact is almost no one outside of biggest metal heads have heard of any of those bands you linked to, where as everyone everyone has heard Metallica.

do i think metallica is the best band ever? No. But you're deluded or have some sort of agenda if you don't think they wereinfluential. I don't even think they are that influential now, their last few albums have sucked.
 

Veal

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added_time said:
bumparoo:

I like Death Magnetic so I thought I would go back and give St Anger one more chance after tossing it aside after a quick listen at release.

I can finally appreciate it on some level. It's definitely the craziest and "punk" thing they've done. It's noisy, loud, poorly recorded on purpose and just brutal.
I'm not going to go crazy here and say I like it better than their other albums but I think it's very interesting and I can see how a band stuck in a rut would want to make a weird fuck off album like this.

I guess I'm saying I'm finally a real fan of the album. It's really rough around the edges but it has a lot of heart and it's a pretty fun and interesting listen if you aren't expecting typical Metallica.

(I still wish they didn't record the snare drum ringing so loud like that though)
It's awesome to see people starting to come around on St. Anger. It's a good album, but not in line with most expectations of what Metallica "should" be. It's personally my favorite!
 

TUROK

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Veal said:
It's awesome to see people starting to come around on St. Anger. It's a good album, but not in line with most expectations of what Metallica "should" be. It's personally my favorite!
Glad I'm not the only one who enjoys St. Anger anymore. Now... How about that Load and ReLoad?
 

Pollux

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TeethMummy said:
I love when this thread gets bumped. I always get excited when i read the title, ITT: METALLICA. For some reason when i hear it in my head it sounds epic.

:::listens to Damage Inc.::::::
Probably because METALLICA is a fucking awesome name. Just say it....makes me wanna punch babies and drive really fast.

TUROK said:
Glad I'm not the only one who enjoys St. Anger anymore. Now... How about that Load and ReLoad?
Not gonna lie, I thoroughly enjoy Load, and most of ReLoad. Not their best work but its good.
 

zsidane

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Don't get how some people are trying to diminish metallica's influence on music.
It's one of my favorites band (with Megadeth and Guns N' Roses).
For me, the Black Album is the best album they did. Some may say it's commercial, others may say it's not metal... I don't care. I also really appreciate MoP and RtL. Load & ReLoad are pure garbage for me.
Nice to see what the did with Death Magnetic, and it's always a pleasure for me to put in the car Garage Inc, probably one of the greatest cover albums!

Now I'll get back to looking for rare videos on youtube of Megadeth :D
 

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TUROK

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zsidane said:
For me, the Black Album is the best album they did. Some may say it's commercial, others may say it's not metal... I don't care. I also really appreciate MoP and RtL. Load & ReLoad are pure garbage for me.
There's people that say that The Black Album isn't metal? I was unaware that anyone could be that stupid. I thought our minds had evolved past that.
 
TUROK said:
There's people that say that The Black Album isn't metal? I was unaware that anyone could be that stupid. I thought our minds had evolved past that.

It's not thrash metal like their earlier stuff but it is certainly metal of some kind.
 

Hellcrow

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DEAR MOTHER!
DEAR FATHER!
WHAT IS THIS HELL YOU'VE PUT ME THROUGH?!


Just thinking this wants me to put on the song as loud as possible.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Hellcrow said:
DEAR MOTHER!
DEAR FATHER!
WHAT IS THIS HELL YOU'VE PUT ME THROUGH?!


Just thinking this wants me to put on the song as loud as possible.
I'm so glad to hear that this song gets the love it does on here. Definitely one of their top 5 songs and one I didn't think many people really gave a crap about.

Seriously, probably the heaviest song Metallica has ever done. Especially when it kicks in right there with the double bass. I'm not one for lyrics, but they are particularly good in this song, as well. The heaviness combined with the lyrics really just work together in the perfect way. Its really what metal is all about. Anger being expressed through music in pure form.
 

Azuran

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added_time said:
It's not thrash metal like their earlier stuff but it is certainly metal of some kind.

It's pure metal. Anyone that says otherwise is nothing more than a blind hater. What the Black Album lacks in speed, it makes up in heaviness. It also has some of the best Metallica songs on it. Few of the songs are outstanding and mind blowing but they're all good and consistent.
 

Kelthink

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Col. John Matrix said:
Absolutely, compare this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xmLIYREjF8

with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs9bxpLB2cg

It's night and day. Lombardo injects a sense of urgency and power into the track it hasn't had in years, arguably ever if you ask me.

Anyway I've never been a big fan of the band, they have some good tracks, great riffs and they were, in their early years at least, masterful at writing songs with a hook.
But it's mostly ruined by poor production, average to flat-out poor drumming, and Kirk abusing the wah pedal as if it were going out of style.

My mate was at the Download with Dave Lombardo on t'drums. He swears he could see tears from James' eyes due to keeping up with the speed of the drums, made me laugh.

I'm alright with the band, but Lars' drumming is so fucking awful I just can't listen to the songs that much any more. That and James' vocals from Black album onwards sound hideous. I loved the rawness from the previous albums, but all the hee-yeah stuff he started doing afterwards grated quickly.
 

Seanspeed

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Azuran said:
It's pure metal. Anyone that says otherwise is nothing more than a blind hater. What the Black Album lacks in speed, it makes up in heaviness. It also has some of the best Metallica songs on it. Few of the songs are outstanding and mind blowing but they're all good and consistent.
Umm.....you cant say that people are 'haters' just cuz they dont consider The Black Album 'true metal'. There's a fair case to be made when you follow the progression from Ride the Lightning, to Master of Puppets, to And Justice For All and then.....to The Black Album. When looked at in that light, it certainly lacks a bit of the 'metal' flair that the band had before.

I agree that there's some good songs(none mind-blowing, though). 'The God That Failed' is definitely one of their top 10 songs. But I'd easily rank the album as 4th best in their discography, despite all its success. I'm sure many people would rank it lower and I dont blame them. I just happen to have a nostalgiac spot for the album in my heart.

Kelthink said:
My mate was at the Download with Dave Lombardo on t'drums. He swears he could see tears from James' eyes due to keeping up with the speed of the drums, made me laugh.

I'm alright with the band, but Lars' drumming is so fucking awful I just can't listen to the songs that much any more. That and James' vocals from Black album onwards sound hideous. I loved the rawness from the previous albums, but all the hee-yeah stuff he started doing afterwards grated quickly.
The one thing you've gotta give Lars is that he has a fairly unique style and sound. There's better drummers around, but he was a somewhat intergral part of Metallica's sound for quite a while. Not completely irreplaceable, but his personal style definitely made its mark on songs like 'Sad But True'.

And truth be told, Lombardo's snare has always sounded way too punchy for my tastes. Even in his Slayer hayday. I prefer a crisper hit.
 
added_time said:
bumparoo:

I like Death Magnetic so I thought I would go back and give St Anger one more chance after tossing it aside after a quick listen at release.

I can finally appreciate it on some level. It's definitely the craziest and "punk" thing they've done. It's noisy, loud, poorly recorded on purpose and just brutal.
I'm not going to go crazy here and say I like it better than their other albums but I think it's very interesting and I can see how a band stuck in a rut would want to make a weird fuck off album like this.

I guess I'm saying I'm finally a real fan of the album. It's really rough around the edges but it has a lot of heart and it's a pretty fun and interesting listen if you aren't expecting typical Metallica.

(I still wish they didn't record the snare drum ringing so loud like that though)

i have to say, St-Anger Seems like they put all the shit and bad energy they accumulated for at least 15 years in one album. They let go bob Rock for Death Magnetic and you can see that they truly needed the change.
 
Lionheart1827 said:
In stadiums theres seats.

But when Metallica comes out, everyone just stands.

Even on the ground floor bit? I've seen Metallica in a stadium, there were no seats on ground level. Hilarious even thinking about it.
 
Ad Infinitum said:
Even on the ground floor bit?

Depends on the venue but usually the GA is always clear of seats/chairs That would be a huge hazard, especially at a rowdy metal show.

But usually the seats are stadium seats that are obviously bolted to the floor.
 

Seanspeed

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The Bookerman said:
i have to say, St-Anger Seems like they put all the shit and bad energy they accumulated for at least 15 years in one album. They let go bob Rock for Death Magnetic and you can see that they truly needed the change.
Death Magnetic was a step forwards from St.Anger(worst album ever), but it was only THAT comparison that made the album respectable. From an objective standpoint, the album still stunk to high heavens. It has energy, but no soul. And nothing truly memorable, which is what the great Metallica songs were trademarked for.

It was a valiant effort from the band, but it had nothing to do with Bob Rock, and everything to do with a band that was too-little, too-late in trying to listen to its fans.

You all know its the truth.
 
Seanspeed said:
You all know its the truth.

Respectfully disagree. Even 3 years later a solid handful of songs on Death Magnetic sound as vital and memorable to me as anything they've ever done. I love the album, sorry. I may sort of agree on the "no soul" part, but I don't think Slayer at their best have any soul either but I still like some of their songs. I am really interested to see where they go next...will it be a better-produced evolution of what they were doing on DM or a 180 from it? I hope it's the former.
 
HighAmperage said:
Respectfully disagree. Even 3 years later a solid handful of songs on Death Magnetic sound as vital and memorable to me as anything they've ever done. I love the album, sorry. I may sort of agree on the "no soul" part, but I don't think Slayer at their best have any soul either but I still like some of their songs. I am really interested to see where they go next...will it be a better-produced evolution of what they were doing on DM or a 180 from it? I hope it's the former.

I agree that Death Magnetic lacked a bit of soul and heart, but it was still a good album. It sits in the second tier with RTL and KEA, in my opinion. MOP and AJFA are the best Metallica albums.

Still love Suiide & Redemption, even if it could have had about 4 minutes cut off in various parts.
 

jgminto

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I actually really enjoyed Death Magnetic. I think that all of the albums have atleast one or two good songs but I like every song on Death Magnetic.
 

DXPett1

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Always been a fan of Metallica and Death Magentic is probably one of the best albums I have ever purchased (enjoy it from start to finish, fairly rare these days) however seeing them live escalated my love for them 10 fold. One of the best things I have ever done was to go to their concert (1st of the last Melbourne WM shows).

zsidane said:
and it's always a pleasure for me to put in the car Garage Inc, probably one of the greatest cover albums!

Agreed! Through Garage Inc I learnt of groups like Mercyful Fate, Diamond Head etc... not to mention experiencing lesser known sound of groups like Queen (Stone Cold Crazy is a favourite of mine now)!

I like to pop on St. Anger every now and again. Invisible Kid is a very underrated song imo but I can fully appreciate why others dislike the punk, grungy unrefined sound of the whole album
 

Gouty

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Seanspeed said:
It was a valiant effort from the band, but it had nothing to do with Bob Rock, and everything to do with a band that was too-little, too-late in trying to listen to its fans

As far as the creative direction of their music, fans shouldn't have a say at all. Bands should only ever make the music they want to make.
 
To me, Kill 'Em All is by far and without comparison their best album, followed by ride the lightning.
Sayin the KEA is too "rough around the edges", "their songwriting got better" or some flimsy shit like that is just missing the point.
 

Corky

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Kong Fisso said:
To me, Kill 'Em All is by far and without comparison their best album, followed by ride the lightning.
Sayin the KEA is too "rough around the edges", "their songwriting got better" or some flimsy shit like that is just missing the point.
Well, being rough and straight forward is the point of the album, yeah. But they moved on and yes, their songwriting still got better with RTL and MOP, imo. :p ;D
 

Cheech

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There are better songs on other albums, but Metallica peaked with Master of Puppets. I'm not even sure how that is up for debate! The brutality and songwriting gelled together with that one album. Their songwriting got better with later albums, but it lost too much aggression.
 
Cheech said:
There are better songs on other albums, but Metallica peaked with Master of Puppets. I'm not even sure how that is up for debate! The brutality and songwriting gelled together with that one album. Their songwriting got better with later albums, but it lost too much aggression.

By song-writing do you mean technically or in a more lyrical sense? Because one thing I do agree with is that Metallica's lyrics have become more mediocre with each album. Some of the stuff in DM was a little average to say the least.

Not a big deal though, I love them anyway.
 

Lard

Banned
I saw them on the AJFA tour and the Black album tour.

I agree AJFA has awful production, but it was the better concert.

I can't listen to the Black album, it's too overly produced.
 

Combichristoffersen

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TUROK said:
Glad I'm not the only one who enjoys St. Anger anymore. Now... How about that Load and ReLoad?

Love them both, probably my third and fourth fave albums, after Puppets and Lightning. Dig the alternative country rock stuff they were doing at the time.
 
Gouty said:
As far as the creative direction of their music, fans shouldn't have a say at all. Bands should only ever make the music they want to make.

You can say that again. Honestly, if fans had their say then every band would make the exact same album 80 times... but then the same fans would get bored that they got stale for making exactly what they asked for.

(I'm speaking of the majority of fans of course.. lets say 98%)


hmm.. now that I finally like St Anger a lot, I think I'll make a list of my favorite to least favorite album (I like them all though)

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Death Magnetic
4. Black Album
5. St Anger
6. Kill Em All
7. Reload
8. Load
9. Ride the Lightning

I could probably shuffle that list a bit overall but I would never change how I think Master of Puppets is the best thing they ever did.
 

Kelthink

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Seanspeed said:
The one thing you've gotta give Lars is that he has a fairly unique style and sound. There's better drummers around, but he was a somewhat intergral part of Metallica's sound for quite a while. Not completely irreplaceable, but his personal style definitely made its mark on songs like 'Sad But True'.

It is unique but it still leaves a glaringly obvious dent sometimes. But, much like I think for the Beatles & Ringo (even though he was very good for his role), Metallica wouldn't have been as big without Lars. I actually think a superior drummer would've stifled their growth somewhat, Lars' flaws gave the band an imperfect edge which probably resonated with the early fanbase.
 
captive said:
First of all these songs are pretty bad choices if you're trying to convince me that Metallica either copied these guys sound or imitated or whatever you're trying to infer. These songs all remind me of Slayer, Kreator and some Death in fact i would rather listen to those three than any of the songs i was just subjected to. The drumming and guitars on the last one is standard fare thrash, pretty boring. The drumming and guitars on any of Metallica's albums pre black album are simply better and more interesting which is why they've stood the test of time.

do i think metallica is the best band ever? No. But you're deluded or have some sort of agenda if you don't think they wereinfluential. I don't even think they are that influential now, their last few albums have sucked.

I think what yacobod is trying to say is that Metallica isn't the be all end all Bay Area Thrash sound or thrash in general for that matter. They were a part of it and everyone else during that era collectively contributed to the thrash movement. Metallica did have influence, but as did everyone else in the Bay Area scene. Hell, Metallica, Vio-Lence, Forbidden, Exodus, Testament, etc were all best friends, shared ideas, stages, equipment, everything. Those songs posted are one of the most quintessential thrash songs ever written.


captive said:
It doesn't matter who pioneered what. Metallica simply did it better than any one else. They created memorable songs that people outside the metal community were actually willing to listen to.

The fact is almost no one outside of biggest metal heads have heard of any of those bands you linked to, where as everyone everyone has heard Metallica.

Of course everyone that's outside of the metal community has heard of Metallica because of albums like the Black album, Load, and Re-Load. All the other Bay Area thrash bands haven't got recognition because they never put albums out like that. Metallica weren't afraid of drastic changes, which led them to mega success. It wasn't until the mega success that Metallica "fans" started going back to the older catalogue and appreciated pre-Black stuff for the sake of it being Metallica, but not visiting other thrash related stuff which sorta pains me.
 

T.M. MacReady

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More cool stuff:

Did you know there's a Metallica Monopoly? Officially lisenced?

http://www.metallica.com/news/20110613_news.asp


sort of want.....


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zomaha said:
30th anniversary...un-fucking-believable that it's been that long.
This makes me feel older than anything else I've had thrown my way so far. I started listening to them when Master of Puppets was released, ffs. Excuse me while I go find a cloud to yell at...
 

Mileena

Banned
added_time said:
1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Death Magnetic
4. Black Album
5. St Anger
6. Kill Em All
7. Reload
8. Load
9. Ride the Lightning
holy shit this is one horrible list
 

Jburton

Banned
Ride the lightning pisses on every other album they ever did.

A genre defining album in every sense!

Black Album is listenable but it ain't metal ......... its hard rock.
 

Tapiozona

Banned
added_time said:
You can say that again. Honestly, if fans had their say then every band would make the exact same album 80 times... but then the same fans would get bored that they got stale for making exactly what they asked for.

(I'm speaking of the majority of fans of course.. lets say 98%)


hmm.. now that I finally like St Anger a lot, I think I'll make a list of my favorite to least favorite album (I like them all though)

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Death Magnetic
4. Black Album
5. St Anger
6. Kill Em All
7. Reload
8. Load
9. Ride the Lightning

I could probably shuffle that list a bit overall but I would never change how I think Master of Puppets is the best thing they ever did.

I can't even comprehend how you have Ridde the Lightning as the worst Metallica album. Putting Load, Reload and St Anger before it is a slap in the face to everything that is Metallica that it almost makes us wonder if you've ever even listened to the album.
 
...And Justice For All
Kill Em All
Ride The Lightning
Master Of Puppets
The Black Album
Death Magnetic
Load/ReLoad
St.Anger

The only right ranking.
 
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