polybius80
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I have linux mint, two monitors, play in one and watch youtube videos in the other
you know the ethernet card? is it in the motherboard? is there an icon in the bar for the network?
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I've wanted to switch to linux for a long time, so the last few days i've tried it. It was bad
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you know the ethernet card? is it in the motherboard? is there an icon in the bar for the network?
El Muerto
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Try Pop OS. It has better support for everything compared to Mint. It's basically Ubuntu+. And look into Flatpak. You install the package and the plugin (commands are on the flatpak site). Then you can download flatpak apps in your browser, double click them, and it should open the software center to install them.
There was an icon. Showed no connections. The ethernet card is in the motherboard. It's one that only works with kernel 6.10. Mint has 6.8.
And yes i know i could have gone back to windows, download to kernel to my usb drive and install it, not sure if it's recommended but regardless, i dont wanna do that. That is too much work for literally the first step that on windows takes... zero seconds. It's literally automatic. Your pc turns on and you're connected.
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OP you should have tried live bootables to test this out.
Also you could have probably found a way to make one of the network interfaces work.
Usually you need to check compatibility before installing software. It’s sort of like installing a game and realizing your GPU can’t handle it and complaining…
Linux isn’t some monolith that can make every variable piece of hardware work.
But I’d say it is something you could make work.
Also you could have probably found a way to make one of the network interfaces work.
Usually you need to check compatibility before installing software. It’s sort of like installing a game and realizing your GPU can’t handle it and complaining…
Linux isn’t some monolith that can make every variable piece of hardware work.
But I’d say it is something you could make work.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Fun fact, Amigia software dev Matt Dillion his own OS called Dragonfly BSD. I guess that's Commodore related.OP, you need something with bulletproof reliability, while also being 100% user-friendly.
I recommend...
Crayon
Member
God it's so true. I recco people who are in their own try Ubuntu first primarily because of the huge amount of help available from a google search.
It's also quite good!
Unknown?
Member
I'd suggest Qubes OS. Learning this will make you a wiz at any distro.
www.qubes-os.org
Qubes OS: A reasonably secure operating system
Qubes is a security-oriented, free and open-source operating system for personal computers that allows you to securely compartmentalize your digital life.
www.qubes-os.org
Jinzo Prime
Member
Lubuntu (Ubuntu+KDE) is the first distro I got working ok. I hate GNOME, but Ubuntu really "just worked" for my hardware.
Crayon
Member
That's right. They're a big, well-funded outfit. And right there's the rolls with the different popular desktops! Yet it never gets recommended!
I had three big attempts to switch to Linux over the years until it stuck. These were all spread apart by large lengths of time, and by the third try, ubuntu was around and definitely the popular beginner thing. So I tried that, and I could do everything I need to do, and it finally stuck.
After learning on different Ubuntu versions for a few years, I can use other stuff.
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Hero_Select
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He literally states the issue he had with it.
gooner4life_uk
Member
Registry edits are not a bit of a linux experience, Linux doesn't have a registry, configs are stored in text files, if you want to edit something you edit the thing you're in, there's not really a global place to change settings etc, some of the Desktop Environments will give you a windows like experience, but it's still a learning experience.
Why don't you start by running Linux in a VM or just boot straight into Ubuntu they have bootable distros that you don't have to install so you can see what the gui is like and customisation options, it will let you get familiar without a lot of hassle.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Windows has the same problem (I encounter it all the time at work) where the OS doesn't have the drivers for the newer hardware built in. And, if it's network drivers, it then becomes problematic to install the needed drivers because you can't reach out online to get them. Obviously, this isn't an issue for pre-built systems - but I dare you to try to install something like Windows 7 (or maybe even Windows 10 v1507 build) from scratch on this same PC and let us know how it goes.
And Windows now also has an annual release cycle for their desktop systems, so you can easily find yourself in the same boat if you buy cutting edge components, where it could be up to 12 months before your hardware "just works" out of the box.
One more thing to add to this - the reason why Windows typically gets drivers quicker than Linux is because the hardware manufacturers themselves are incentivized to create them for Windows (that's where most of their users are!). A lot of Linux drivers are essentially the work of end users / developers reverse-engineering their own hardware to work. Yes this cycle would happen (and does happen) much quicker when the manufacturers create and distribute their own Linux drivers.
Unknown?
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Ubuntu was the first one I used but I switched to Mint and never went back. They're both good though.
Guardian Monkey
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I’m talking opposed to handhelds
RavageX
Member
I messed with it a bit when I had something once known as free time.
Only tried Mint, Unbuntu and a few others. It was fun but I got tired of fooling with it. This was probably more than a decade ago.
No time for that now, and many say that Legion Go works great with Bazzite or whatever which i believe is linux based.
Issue is, as usual some games and hardware wont work. That means immediately its a pain in the ass.
Ultimately, I guess its what you want out of the experience. At this point Im not interested in having to be sherlock holmes with something to make it work.
Only tried Mint, Unbuntu and a few others. It was fun but I got tired of fooling with it. This was probably more than a decade ago.
No time for that now, and many say that Legion Go works great with Bazzite or whatever which i believe is linux based.
Issue is, as usual some games and hardware wont work. That means immediately its a pain in the ass.
Ultimately, I guess its what you want out of the experience. At this point Im not interested in having to be sherlock holmes with something to make it work.
Jinzo Prime
Member
It's gotten so, so much better. You still have to use the terminal, but the compatibility and software is night and day from what it used to be.
Can't recommend for most people yet though. If Mint shipped up to date kernels it would be damn close to a no-brainer.
Crayon
Member
Mint is my go-to for a lot of cases. Supporting a family member's computer, I use mint. Makes a pretty convincing refresh with the pretty desktop. Use is close enough to windows that they can get used to it easy.
Also, Wife only uses mint. No other distros, no mac, no windows. Just mint. It's funny- she says, "it just works".
For some reason I got a hair up my ass and blew away a nobara install that had been truckin along for years. Started goofing about seeing how different distros were doing these days. This was on the gaming pc in the living room. She got a little tired of it and asked me to just load up mint so she could play bg3 and resume my adventures some other time.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Oh man I forgot about this. I'm going to end up buying it, I just know it.Commander X16 is basically a modern C64
Codeblew
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If you want a distro that keeps up with the latest kernels, you might give CachyOS a try. It is based on Arch Linux. I plan on putting it on my new build in a few months. I have been playing with it in a vm. It is running Linux v6.12.9-2. During installation, you can choose many different DE's/WM's. You probably want to choose KDE/Plasma if you want all the bells and whistles.
Unknown Soldier
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"____ is going to be the year for Linux on the desktop!" is a meme that has been eternal for a reason
Windows is kinda shit but it just works 99% of the time and that's good enough for most people
Even if Valve released SteamOS as a general Linux distro, someone would need to build it with every possible driver that might be needed (and that would require a pretty dramatic improvement in Linux driver quality and variety in general) before I think it would be genuinely useful as a replacement for Windows in gaming PC's
Windows is kinda shit but it just works 99% of the time and that's good enough for most people
Even if Valve released SteamOS as a general Linux distro, someone would need to build it with every possible driver that might be needed (and that would require a pretty dramatic improvement in Linux driver quality and variety in general) before I think it would be genuinely useful as a replacement for Windows in gaming PC's
ReBurn
Gold Member
I've been using Linux since the late 90's when Red Hat started promising all the companies who were running their software on HP, Sun and IBM midrange Unix servers that they could save money on hardware and support costs by moving their apps over to Linux. In all of the years and distros since I haven't found one that I would personally want to use as a daily driver. For me it's just too hard to get away from the design by committee feel of most Linux desktop environments.
That's not to say folks haven't done a good job. Many modern distros really are capable of replacing Windows for a lot of people from a usability perspective, but application support is still an issue in a lot of ways. There are some great apps analogous to what's on Windows, many free. And more powerful hardware makes Wine a more tolerable choice for running native Windows apps on Linux if you really need one. But I think a lot of people who want to leave Windows will still find MacOS a more comfortable choice compared to most Linux distros.
That's not to say folks haven't done a good job. Many modern distros really are capable of replacing Windows for a lot of people from a usability perspective, but application support is still an issue in a lot of ways. There are some great apps analogous to what's on Windows, many free. And more powerful hardware makes Wine a more tolerable choice for running native Windows apps on Linux if you really need one. But I think a lot of people who want to leave Windows will still find MacOS a more comfortable choice compared to most Linux distros.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I daily drove linux for a few years. It taught me a lot, but it's a lot to maintain with very few advantages for most people. At the end of the day I probably use MacOS the most these days, but my preference is probably always going to be Windows. I'd probably use Windows more if it had airplay and iMessage.
bitbydeath
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They fixed that in an update a while back.
“Fill Screen” does the traditional screen maximise.
kevboard
Member
Linux is just a trash OS. the main job of an operating system is to make using a computer easy and intuitive... Linux does the opposite, no matter which distro.
the Steam Deck is the only Linux PC that is even remotely decent, simply due to the fact that it is purpose designed for this specific system. the hardware inside, the software on it, it's all tailor made for it, and the Deck itself is a system focused on pretty much a single usecase as well, helping things further.
And I think people got a false hope due to Steam OS, that Linux can actually be useable now... it just isn't.
Even Steam OS will probably lead to many issues once people try to install it on a system that wasn't designed for it once they officially release it into the wild.
the Steam Deck is the only Linux PC that is even remotely decent, simply due to the fact that it is purpose designed for this specific system. the hardware inside, the software on it, it's all tailor made for it, and the Deck itself is a system focused on pretty much a single usecase as well, helping things further.
And I think people got a false hope due to Steam OS, that Linux can actually be useable now... it just isn't.
Even Steam OS will probably lead to many issues once people try to install it on a system that wasn't designed for it once they officially release it into the wild.
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awwr999999
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Linux is the kernel, not the OS.
Debian is an OS.
If you're willing to invest time you can build a configuration that's easy to use and intuitive.
In terms of UI/UX i3 window manager is more intuitive than anything either Windows or MacOS has but you'll have to install it yourself.
Crayon
Member
It's going to be fine for some people. Depends on the person and the usage. It's not torture lol.
Trust me I'm no Linux master. I was willing to open a terminal, though. Yeah "people" can't be asked to do that, I know. But I'm not people so I'm fine. I think command lines are cool.
I know enough to navigate, manage files, update or install apps, and parse commands before i paste in from the internet. Things like. Really basic things. Over ten years and that's all I know lol. I'd like to be better at it but haven't had to and never practiced.
This was not that hard for me, and mildy enjoyable. There's a relatively small amount of people who use it as their daily. As in, a small number that prefer it. Who think using a command line here and there is nice.
Trust me I'm no Linux master. I was willing to open a terminal, though. Yeah "people" can't be asked to do that, I know. But I'm not people so I'm fine. I think command lines are cool.
I know enough to navigate, manage files, update or install apps, and parse commands before i paste in from the internet. Things like. Really basic things. Over ten years and that's all I know lol. I'd like to be better at it but haven't had to and never practiced.
This was not that hard for me, and mildy enjoyable. There's a relatively small amount of people who use it as their daily. As in, a small number that prefer it. Who think using a command line here and there is nice.
ReBurn
Gold Member
That's not exactly true. Not for all operating systems, anyway. The job of the operating system is to make the computer do the things you need it to do. How easy or intuitive it needs to be really comes down to how well the user knows how to use said computer.
polybius80
Member
that is in the manufacturer side not windows necessarily as things like that happen with windows too
what is the motherboard you are using?
existensmaximum
Member
You know Linux fragmentation is a problem when half the replies to a post like this is different variants of "OP why don't you try distro XXXXX instead?"
Well, it's also cool and a strength for Linux but it doesn't exactly make it more user friendly.
Well, it's also cool and a strength for Linux but it doesn't exactly make it more user friendly.
kevboard
Member
in the context of someone installing an OS on their everyday home PC, it is the main purpose. and Linux, no matter the distro, just fails at fulfilling that purpose.
TheDreadLord
Member
One of Unix’s greatest strengths lies in its advanced features, particularly its terminal utilities and shell scripting capabilities for automation and system management. If you’re not taking advantage of these features… Windows is in general a more suitable choice for your needs, specially for gaming.
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ReBurn
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I wouldn't go that far. There are some distros that are very easy to install and use. Many people are fully capable of installing one and using it every day without issues. It really depends on what they use their PC to do.
I wouldn't use any of them myself because I agree that none of them are particularly worthwhile for daily driving, at least for my use cases. But some of them are great for many workloads, including complex workloads like software development.
kevboard
Member
Linux distros only work well if you have a very specific use case that it needs to fulfil. like Steam OS for Steam games is a great example (even tho even that doesn't work flawlessly)
I feel like if you want a lightweight OS only for web browsing and light office work, there are some Linux flavours that work well. but Windows just can't be beat as an all-rounder OS that works well with basically anything you wanna do outside of very niche use cases.
but on a side note,
one thing that always confuses me is people wanting to swtich to Linux due to [insert Windows 10/11 flaw here], as it's just way easier, faster and less problematic to modify Windows to fix any issues you have with the vanilla version than it is to switch to Linux.
"oh but the file browser sucks!!" then replace it or modify it...
"oh but windows search sucks because it searches the web" then turn it off by doing a 10sec registry edit...
"but I don't want to make a Microsoft account" then skip the login...
I feel like if you think you have the patience and knowhow to use Linux, you are more than capable to just modify Windows in a way that fixes all your issues with it, and you'll probably have less issues in the long run doing that.
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Rocinante618
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I mean gaming on Linux and MacOS is just a waste of time, these are not made for gaming. Sure you *could* play a few titles but really is it worth the time and effort? I don't think so.
Roughly, MacOS has excellent battery management and hardware integration due to Apple's really efficient chips and lock, Linux is fantastic on a Desktop (constant power supply, Linux has atrocious power management and terrible Office support - Libreoffice is just bad) for anything programming, research and just all around dev work. MacOS is far better for dev, programming and app development compared to Windows and if you're into iOS dev, you need one.
Windows is excellent for most of the stuff however, a true general purpose, wide market, stable OS. Flawless legacy support, commerical apps and proprietary drivers pretty much carry many niche to large industries. Excel is an essential software that runs the world. It is also very customizable and you can tinker a lot with to remove all that MS telemetrics/ads and bloat.
That being said, any day, Linux ~= Windows >>> MacOS.
Roughly, MacOS has excellent battery management and hardware integration due to Apple's really efficient chips and lock, Linux is fantastic on a Desktop (constant power supply, Linux has atrocious power management and terrible Office support - Libreoffice is just bad) for anything programming, research and just all around dev work. MacOS is far better for dev, programming and app development compared to Windows and if you're into iOS dev, you need one.
Windows is excellent for most of the stuff however, a true general purpose, wide market, stable OS. Flawless legacy support, commerical apps and proprietary drivers pretty much carry many niche to large industries. Excel is an essential software that runs the world. It is also very customizable and you can tinker a lot with to remove all that MS telemetrics/ads and bloat.
That being said, any day, Linux ~= Windows >>> MacOS.
Emedan
Member
What I suspected
Msi x870 tomahawk wifi
Yes but i didnt even get to the gaming part. Thats the bigger issue
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Linux for gaming is like exotic food: you try every few years only to remind yourself why you don't eat that more often.
The matter of the fact is that all hardware, all games, all mods, are all done on windows for windows. Linux is always an after thought in terms of support. You need to be ready to run makefiles by yourself if you want to dive to go on that road, because soon or later, you will face a problem that noone else will and will be forced to come up with solutions entirely by yourself.
The matter of the fact is that all hardware, all games, all mods, are all done on windows for windows. Linux is always an after thought in terms of support. You need to be ready to run makefiles by yourself if you want to dive to go on that road, because soon or later, you will face a problem that noone else will and will be forced to come up with solutions entirely by yourself.
Unknown?
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But, as already pointed out, this stuff happens on Windows too with new builds. The reason it works out of the box is manufacturers do the work beforehand.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I've never had a smooth intuitive experience with linux.
The potential for some hardware component not working because of driver issues or something is higher. And not even some crazy obscure piece of hardware but just your wifi card or a usb device or something.
And the remedy to fix any of this requires an intermediate level of computer knowledge.
It's built for programmers/sysadmin environments, not end users.
The potential for some hardware component not working because of driver issues or something is higher. And not even some crazy obscure piece of hardware but just your wifi card or a usb device or something.
And the remedy to fix any of this requires an intermediate level of computer knowledge.
It's built for programmers/sysadmin environments, not end users.
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It happens on windows except it doesnt happen is what you're saying? I mean yes we are aware that things work on windows because manufacturers make sure they work on windows. But that doesnt matter. If i buy something i know it will work on windows period. If you bought a piece of hardware and came home and it just didnt work on windows you'd probably have a very good case to get a refund. Because if it doesnt work on windows, it doesnt work anywhere so you got a product that doesnt work. If it doesnt work on windows because it's some mac thing or something, then i'm sure it is plastered all over the box that it's only mac compatible.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
The market strongly disagrees. Linux is far from being the default for the average user.
gooner4life_uk
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It's not meant to be user friendly, it's meant to be used by competent people, if you want user friendly Windows exists, there's a reason why pretty much every enterprise in the world uses Windows for it's general office staff, but a variation of Linux/Unix for it's backend applications.
Linux is incredibly powerful and not very forgiving, it's not really meant for gaming or using on your home computer, even though many in the community would like it to be, if you have expensive current gen hardware you're hindering your experience by trying to use Linux for gaming, but it will excel with older hardware, it's a lot less resource hungry, i'd encourage people to get their kids using Linux, don't spoon feed them when they want to play games let them explore, work to find out how to make it work, they will appreciate the game more and they will appreciate you when they are proficient in the use of an advanced OS.