• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

January NBA Season Thread - A No Puddin Zone

Status
Not open for further replies.
If Kobe is a cancer, CWebb is the goddamn ebola virus.

MRI results are in on Kobe btw. Severely sprained ankle, but thankfully, no tears. He'll be reevaulated in 72 hours after some of the swelling goes down. Probably out 2 weeks or so at the max.
 

Poody

What program do you use to photoshop a picture?
great analogy. Remember when Cwebb was out, the kings were tearing the league up 2 seasons ago. They somehow were able to beat the Lakers with ease.

Cwebb has always been a cancer to your team. When he returned the Offense was completely bogged down.
 
Cloudy said:
What did he say? :lol

nothing in particular, i just think he's the most annoying personality on ANY tv show -- by far. he acts like the players, gm's and coaches are all his best friends ready to divulge information.

plus, you can tell greg anthony and the token white guy are uneasy around him. even my rommate, the women, spoke on how fucking annoying he is. this from the same girl who just minutes earlier thought USC stood for South Carolina.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Hmmm Phoenix down 10.

If they lose this, slump time baby!

I don't know how, but Kobex's predictions have something to do with this for sure.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Why is Q being wasted as a 3pt shooter? That's all he seems to do on this team and when he's not hitting it, he's worthless. Hunter with 6 mins? Q logging 33 unproductive minutes. Why are the Suns playing small against JO, Foster and Croshere when they are trailing?
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Cloudy said:
Why is Q being wasted as a 3pt shooter? That's all he seems to do on this team and when he's not hitting it, he's worthless. Hunter with 6 mins? Q logging 33 unproductive minutes. Why are the Suns playing small against JO, Foster and Croshere when they are trailing?

They need to play Hunter more, this is ridiculous. I have faith in D'Antoni though.
 

Cloudy

Banned
It's not like Hunter can't run. I'd start him at C, move Amare to PF and bring Q or JJ off the bench. Q will keep jacking up 3s as long as he only gets the ball out there. They hardly ever run anything for him and fastbreaking and threes all game will not work against any decent defensive team....
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Cloudy said:
It's not like Hunter can't run. I'd start him at C, move Amare to PF and bring Q or JJ off the bench. Q will keep jacking up 3s as long as he only gets the ball out there. They hardly ever run anything for him and fastbreaking and threes all game will not work against any decent defensive team....

Maybe Q won't do it; I can't think of why they haven't done it yet otherwise.
 

DMczaf

Member
Phoenix 23 25 15 4 67 8:02

Indiana 32 21 24 4 81 4th

This is the team that's supposed to break the Bulls' record? Jordan and Pip are disgusted.

Jorpipkuk.jpg


Especially Kukoc, look at that face!
 

Cloudy

Banned
AstroLad said:
Maybe Q won't do it; I can't think of why they haven't done it yet otherwise.

He should. The bench is a joke and the starters are playing waaay too many minutes...even in blowouts...
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
DMczaf said:
Phoenix 23 25 15 4 67 8:02

Indiana 32 21 24 4 81 4th

This is the team that's supposed to break the Bulls' record? Jordan and Pip are disgusted.

Jorpipkuk.jpg


Especially Kukoc, look at that face!

:lol :lol

No way they were breaking the Bulls' record, even before these last two games.
 

Bat

Member
Hahahahahah

Anyways...

Greg Anthony: "Shawn Merion should definetly be an all-star this year"

No he shouldn't, you fucking idiot. Four names: Duncan, KG, Amare, Dirk. DONE.

Idiots...
 

Shoryuken

Member
Bat said:
Hahahahahah

Anyways...

Greg Anthony: "Shawn Merion should definetly be an all-star this year"

No he shouldn't, you fucking idiot. Four names: Duncan, KG, Amare, Dirk. DONE.

Idiots...

I could be wrong, but aren't 5 forwards chosen.
 

Bat

Member
Are there? If so, try out Stojakovic, Rashard Lewis, and even Chris Webber! I just don't see everyone's fascination with Marion...
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Bat said:
Are there? If so, try out Stojakovic, Rashard Lewis, and even Chris Webber! I just don't see everyone's fascination with Marion...

Marion- 19.9 Pts, 10.8 Rbs, 2.14 Stl, 48.4 FG%
Stojakovic- 21.0 Pts, 4.4 Rbs, 1.06 Stl (or 1.8 Ast, take your pick), 44.5 FG%
Webber- 21.0 Pts, 9.5 Rbs, 4.9 Ast, 45.0 FG%
Lewis- 20.6 Pts, 5.6 Rbs, 1.32 Stl, 47.3 FG%

imo they're all good candidates, but if you want to hate on a specific player for no good reason, go right ahead.
 

Cloudy

Banned
It'll be Rashard and Webber. Amare and Nash are in and I don't see 3 guys from one team making it when two of them aren't Shaq and Kobe..
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Holy crap-- Damon Stoudamire has 51!


His previous career high was 36. Who would've guessed he'd be capable of putting up 45+? Not I... :lol


EDIT: 54 now!


LOL @ Yahoo.com's recaps: Damon scores 54 and they have Nick Van Exel featured as Portland's "Top Perfomer" with 20 points. :lol
 
Loki said:
Holy crap-- Damon Stoudamire has 51!


His previous career high was 36. Who would've guessed he'd be capable of putting up 45+? Not I... :lol


EDIT: 54 now!


somebody slipped some stickyicky into his regular stash!
 

Shoryuken

Member
Don't forget efficieny ratings.

1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves)
34 34.50
2. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
32 28.09
3. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
34 27.32
4. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
37 26.68
5. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns)
36 26.50
5. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns)
36 26.50
7. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat)
37 25.19
8. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat)
35 24.46
9. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
34 23.85
10. Tracy McGrady (Houston Rockets)
34 23.12

When you look at this stat it's pretty clear that Marion deserves to be an All-Star (if 5 forwards are chosen). If you look at the names on that list, you can see that only the best of the best are on there. Shawn Marion is really one of the most underated players in this league.

Also it's interesting to note that 5 of the top 6 are west forwards, which is amazing.
 
Phew, that was a close one.

Big props to the Mavs for the great effort. For some reason they seem to play better and harder when undermanned. Dirk was clutch all game long.
 

Bat

Member
Bleh. He's the third best player on his team...no team ever gets 3 All-Stars. He's putting up great numbers but that's what happens when every other play is an alley oop from Steve Nash on a team that scores 110 points a game.

My take on him is that he does some impressive things, but if he's anything more than the third wheel, his inability to create any sort of offense is exposed. He might be the third wheel on a 60-65 win team this year, but he was also the #2 guy on a 30 win team last year....and as a player, he hasn't changed at all. Steve Nash is making him look really good right now but there's no way Lewis or Webber aren't doing more for their teams (which are very good) than he is.

Also, if Kirilenko hadn't been injured, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

EDIT- Is there anything funnier than D. Stoudamire going for 54 and Portland still losing to the Hornets?
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Bat said:
Bleh. He's the third best player on his team...no team ever gets 3 All-Stars.

Lakers had 4 All-Stars in '98 (Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Shaq, and Kobe). Still, like you said, it's very rare, and there are better candidates, especially at the frontcourt positions.


EDIT: Konex, that vast repository of Laker knowledge, beat me to it. :D
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Bat said:
Bleh. He's the third best player on his team...no team ever gets 3 All-Stars. He's putting up great numbers but that's what happens when every other play is an alley oop from Steve Nash on a team that scores 110 points a game.

My take on him is that he does some impressive things, but if he's anything more than the third wheel, his inability to create any sort of offense is exposed. He might be the third wheel on a 60-65 win team this year, but he was also the #2 guy on a 30 win team last year....and as a player, he hasn't changed at all. Steve Nash is making him look really good right now but there's no way Lewis or Webber aren't doing more for their teams (which are very good) than he is.

Also, if Kirilenko hadn't been injured, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

EDIT- Is there anything funnier than D. Stoudamire going for 54 and Portland still losing to the Hornets?

Except he's been very consistent throughout his career in nearly all areas, even compared to this year. Steve Nash is no more making him "look good" than Starbury was.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Damn, the Wiz are STACKED with guards

Arenas another nice all around game
Hughes the same and game-winning layup just now
Dixon with a perfect statline

And all 3 can play both positions and give you nice defense too :eek:
 

Shoryuken

Member
Bat said:
Bleh. He's the third best player on his team...no team ever gets 3 All-Stars. He's putting up great numbers but that's what happens when every other play is an alley oop from Steve Nash on a team that scores 110 points a game.

My take on him is that he does some impressive things, but if he's anything more than the third wheel, his inability to create any sort of offense is exposed. He might be the third wheel on a 60-65 win team this year, but he was also the #2 guy on a 30 win team last year....and as a player, he hasn't changed at all. Steve Nash is making him look really good right now but there's no way Lewis or Webber aren't doing more for their teams (which are very good) than he is.

Also, if Kirilenko hadn't been injured, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

EDIT- Is there anything funnier than D. Stoudamire going for 54 and Portland still losing to the Hornets?

Now I see that you're just incredibly bitter hater. You're so wrong that it isn't even funny. First of all he's been a consistent 19 to 20 point scorer most of his six seasons (counting this one) in the league (over 19 ppg that past 4 seasons and a career average of 18.1 ppg). 5 of which he didn't have Steve Nash.

Second, All-Star selections aren't based on how important you are to your team, but how good of a player you are. And when you compare the statistics of Marion versus Webber and Lewis, he is just the better player (at this time). It's funny that you mention his scoring, when that is one of the few things that Lewis and Webber do slightly better than him ( along with assists). He is ranked 5th in rebounds per game, 5th in steals per game, 17th in blocks per game, and 5th in overall efficiency. Rashard Lewis isn't in the top 20 of any category and CWebb is behind Marion in the top 20 of both rebounds and efficiciency (although he is tied for 19th in scoring) Also keep in mind that he has better FG%'s and FT%'s than either Lewis or Webber.

Lastly to address the bolded point, over the past few seasons even when he was the first and second option on his team he still mananged to average over 19 ppg and shoot a good to decent FG% (over 44%). So there goes that theory of him not being able to create his own shots (which is proposterous in the first place) or only playing well when he is a third wheel.

So in closing you're wrong and I'm right. Shawn Marion does deserve to be an all-star (if 5 forwards are taken).
 

Bat

Member
Shoryuken said:
Now I see that you're just incredibly bitter hater. You're so wrong that it isn't even funny.

Boo hoo hoo....because I making a (at least somewhat :D ) logical argument, i'm not an incredibly bitter hater? Whatever.

First of all he's been a consistent 19 to 20 point scorer most of his six seasons (counting this one) in the league (over 19 ppg that past 4 seasons and a career average of 18.1 ppg). 5 of which he didn't have Steve Nash.

Yeah, and his FG% is up .044 over last year and RPG up 1.5. If he was averaging 19/9/44% (like he did last year without an MVP PG) he wouldn't look nearly as good.

Second, All-Star selections aren't based on how important you are to your team, but how good of a player you are. And when you compare the statistics of Marion versus Webber and Lewis, he is just the better player (at this time).

That's total crap. If it was just battle of statistics (as opposed to how important you are to your team's success), then Carlos Boozer (19, 9, 53%), Pau Gasol (20, 9, 52%), Elton Brand, Zach Randolph etc. would also get consideration. All-Star positions always go to players who are responsible for their team's success, not to the guys with simply the best stats.

See, 20-10 sounds impressive, until you realize that almost every team in the west has starting forward that averages that, and they are more important to their teams than Marion is to the Suns. I'll take the guy who has slightly worse stats but who actually bears the responsibility of being the number 1 or 2 option on his team over the third whell on a team that already has 2 MVP candidates.

Lastly to address the bolded point, over the past few seasons even when he was the first and second option on his team he still mananged to average over 19 ppg and shoot a good to decent FG% (over 44%). So there goes that theory of him not being able to create his own shots (which is proposterous in the first place) or only playing well when he is a third wheel.

Well, last year was the first year in a while that he wasn't the third wheel (he was the second) on a team with an all-star PG and he posted a career low FG% (one that is pretty bad for a forward averaging less than 20 points - 44%) and subpar numbers throughout. Name me another all-star in the strongest position in the league (west forward) who was the second option on a 30 win team just last year.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
:lol

LMAO! Did anyone else just see Kenyon Martin try to do one of his ludicrous screaming celebrations after a dunk and then trip over some guy's foot as he was backpedalling right as he's screaming and fall on his ass? :lol


Oh man...lol

EDIT: WHOA! BEDLAM!
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Good to see that Kandi works on his right hook more than his J. :lol


Still, they both fight like <Ahnuld> girly-men </Ahnuld>. :D
 

Loki

Count of Concision
lol The best part of that Francis dunk is hearing the announcer scream like he's shitting out a turd when Francis dunks it the second time. :lol
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom